HomeMy WebLinkAbout_Minutes PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
DECEMBER 12, 2017
REGULAR MEETING held Tuesday, December 12, 2017, at 6:00 p.m. in Council
Chambers, City Hall
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Lori Palmeri, Deb Allison-Aasby, Steven Herman,
Caroline Panske, Jake Krause and Mayor Steve Cummings
EXCUSED: Council Member Tom Pech, Jr.
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney; and Allen Davis, Director of Community Development
Council Member Palmeri read the Invocation.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Aiden Drover, Charlotte Labus & Abby Blackburn
from Jefferson Elementary School.
PRESENTATION
Dean Smith, Chief of Police, explained the Oshkosh Police Department (OPD) had
received a reaccreditation award from the Commission on Accreditation of Law
Enforcement Agencies, Inc. (CALEA). He stated national, independent assessors had
spent three days at the OPD in August and reviewed every aspect of the police
department. He explained the OPD was in compliance with all mandatory standards,
and 92% of non-mandatory standards. He stated OPD was the only dually accredited
law enforcement agency in Wisconsin; there were no other municipalities in Wisconsin
that were accredited on both the state and national level.
Mayor Cummings congratulated Chief Smith and the staff at the OPD.
Council Member Herman stated that was an exciting award. He explained he understood
how many complex topics go into the review and what an accomplishment it was to
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achieve. He stated it should give confidence to the citizens that Oshkosh has one of the
top police departments in the state.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Ordinance 17-590 Approve Comprehensive Land Use Map Amendment for a Portion
of Lake Shore Municipal Golf Course Generally Located North of
Oshkosh Avenue & West of Punhoqua Street from Park, Recreation
& Open Space to Commercial (Staff Recommends Waiving the Rules
&Adopting on First Reading)
MOTION: SUSPEND RULES (Palmeri; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
Council Member Panske questioned the use of the word 'approximately' within the
document. She asked if the portion was specifically 35 acres.
Darryn Burich, Planning Services Manager, stated 'approximately' had been used due to
land use plans were not parcel-specific as zoning plans were.
Council Member Panske questioned if more specific information would be coming.
Mr. Burich stated the certified survey map and zoning plans would contain more specific
information.
Council Member Panske questioned when they could expect that information.
Mr. Davis stated they were working on the certified survey map and it should be finished
by the end of the year.
Council Member Herman stated there had been citizen concerns about losing parkland.
He asked for an explanation of what would be accomplished by the land use map
amendment.
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Mr. Burich stated it would change what the land would be able to be used for. He
explained it would be followed with a zone change.
Mr. Rohloff explained later in the agenda, there was a chart provided to Council that
would detail what approvals would be forthcoming.
Council Member Palmeri stated she believed the golf course had been approximately 107
acres, and 35 had been accounted for to be utilized by Oshkosh Corporation, and 65 had
been set aside for intended parkland use. She questioned what would become of the
remaining 7 acres.
Mr. Davis stated the surveyor had been hired to survey the entire parcel, as the old legal
descriptions did not have exact acreage. He explained there may have been a loss due to
right of way that had been acquired over the years, or potential mismeasurement in the
1800's when the deeds were created. He stated City staff would obtain the specific
numbers as part of the certified survey maps.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS
Dan Rylance, 602 E. Parkway Avenue, read a Christmas letter to Council, touching on the
year's accomplishments and disappointments. He explained he believed the way some
of the speakers were addressed during the Council meetings, specifically when the
petition to reduce the fine for possession of marijuana was presented, was disrespectful
and insulting. He stated the Council preached civility for the citizens, and he believed
they needed to start practicing what they preached.
Mark Kelderman, W2457 Lomira Drive, Brownsville, thanked Council for engaging in
positive conversation the previous week and the City Clerk and her staff for their work
verifying signatures. He explained Council Member Pech had asked about the forfeiture
for open intoxicants at the previous Council meeting, and had questioned how the group
had arrived at the proposed $25 forfeiture for possession of marijuana. He stated they
had arrived at $25 because they did not want the City to lose money on the printing and
mailing cost of the ticket. He explained they believed it would lower the fine as much as
possible without it becoming a loss for the City. He stated they had researched the
forfeiture for an open intoxicant and it ranged between$75 and $500. He explained they
were encouraged by events that had taken place since the previous Council meeting and
looked forward to working together through the process.
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CONSENT AGENDA
Report of Bills by the Finance Director
Receipt & Filing of Common Council Minutes from November 8 & 14, 2017
Receipt of Claims filed with the City's Insurance Company:
A) Cindy Dietel for alleged damages to vehicle from K-9 dog
Resolution 17-591 Award Bid to Various Vendors for Chemicals for Water
Filtration/Wastewater Treatment Plant for 2018 (Various Amounts)
Resolution 17-592 Approve Purchase of Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus to Five
Alarm Fire & Safety Equipment for Fire Department, Wastewater &
Water Division/Authorize Transfer of Funds &Amend 2017 Capital
Improvements Program ($521,838.00)
Resolution 17-593 Approve Amended Payment in Lieu of Taxes (PILOT) Agreement
with Oshkosh Housing Authority & Waite Rug Housing, LLC for
Property Located at 300 East Custer Avenue
Resolution 17-594 Approve Partial Refund of Property Taxes / 2401 W. Waukau
Avenue /Provident Properties LLC
Resolution 17-595 Approve Final Plat known as Third Addition to Casey's Meadow
South (Plan Commission Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-596 Approve Initial Resolution / Utilities, Sidewalk, Grading &
Graveling & Concrete Paving / Third Addition to Casey's Meadow
South
Resolution 17-597 Accept & Approve Waiver of Special Assessment Notice & Hearing
in Connection with Improvements / Third Addition to Casey's
Meadow South
Resolution 17-598 Approve Developer's Agreement / Third Addition to Casey's
Meadow South/Lots 57 through 76
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Resolution 17-599 Approve Final Resolution/Utilities, Sidewalk, Grading& Graveling
& Concrete Paving/Third Addition to Casey's Meadow South
Resolution 17-600 Release Easement at 1319 Bayshore Drive (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-601 Accept Storm Sewer Easement at 1601 Bowen Street (Plan
Commission Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-602 Authorize the Submission of a Wisconsin Department of
Transportation Grant Application for the Transportation Economic
Assistance (TEA) Program for the Oshkosh Corporation Expansion
& Oshkosh Avenue Corridor Enhancement Project; Accept Funds
Resolution 17-603 Authorize the Submission of a Wisconsin Economic Development
Corporation Grant Application for the Community Development
Investment Grant Program for the Oshkosh Corporation Expansion
& Oshkosh Avenue Corridor Enhancement Project; Accept Funds
Resolution 17-604 Accept & Release Easements at the Eastern Terminus of East 141h
Avenue (Plan Commission Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-605 Approve Spot Blight Designation; Authorize Redevelopment
Authority to Acquire 821 Division Street ($19,000.00)
(Redevelopment Authority Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-606 Approve Amendment to Engineering Services Agreement with
CH2M HILL Engineers, Inc. for Water Filtration Plant Clearwells
Replacement Final Design ($149,280.00)
Resolution 17-607 Establish Voting Ward 39, District 11
Resolution 17-608 Appoint Democratic & Republican Election Inspectors
Resolution 17-609 Approve Special Class "B" License, Operator Licenses &
Secondhand Dealer Licenses
MOTION: ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA (Herman; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
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ACTION TAKEN ON ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
Ordinance 17-610 Approve Amendment to Comprehensive Land Use Maps Changing
the Land Use Designation for Properties Generally located at 1610
Oshkosh Avenue to 1746 Oshkosh Avenue from Residential to
Commercial
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the intent was to allow planned development and
mixed use to be in the area.
Darryn Burich, Planning Services Manager, stated from a land use perspective, they were
changing the area from residential to commercial. He explained from a future zoning
perspective, a mixed use structure wouldn't be a permitted use, although through
planned development modifications it could be achieved.
Ordinance 17-611 Designate Bike Lanes on both sides of Wisconsin Street from the
Riverwalk Sidewalk Connections on the North end of the Bridge to
Irving Avenue
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
Ordinance 17-612 Establish Street Grades /Third Addition to Casey's Meadow South
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
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Ordinance 17-613 Authorize Public Construction/Third Addition to Casey's Meadow
South
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
Resolution 17-614 Approve Amendment to Development Agreement / TIF 31 / Fox
Valley Pro Basketball, Inc.
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (5) Palmeri, Herman, Panske, Krause, Mayor Cummings
Present (1) Allison-Aasby
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she would recuse herself from voting due to the
relationship she had with Fox Valley Pro Basketball.
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of the changes.
Mr. Rohloff stated the changes were related to language in the agreement regarding the
City's appropriation of tax increment, which Council did on an annual basis. He
explained the bank had concerns that the language was included in the agreement,
although the City had the right to appropriate those funds. He stated the City Attorney
wanted to ensure that it did not appear that it became a general obligation of the City,
therefore language was crafted to clarify that even though the appropriation language
would be removed, it would not become a general obligation of the City. He explained
whether or not the funds were appropriated, they still were generated from tax
increment.
Council Member Herman questioned if it also offered protection to Fox Valley Pro
Basketball.
Mr. Rohloff stated if they sought out loan financing for the balance of the arena project
without the amended language, it could devalue their loan, and the City wanted them to
be able to maximize it.
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Resolution 17-615 Approve Agreement with Greater Oshkosh Economic Development
Corporation for Economic Development Services ($98,000.00)
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Pech arrived at 6:36 p.m.
Jason White, 1204 Fairfax Street, thanked Council for their support of Greater Oshkosh
Economic Development Corporation (GO-EDC) and their assistance in helping to form
the organization several years ago. He requested that Council continue to assist with
funding. He explained GO-EDC was fulfilling the original intent behind the
organization's formation; helping businesses grow in Oshkosh and building
relationships with the commercial real estate industry. He thanked Council's support of
the revolving loan fund and capital catalyst program. He stated since GO-EDC had
begun managing the loan funds, $105,000 had been loaned and the capital catalyst
program had distributed $165,000 in loans and $50,000 in grants. He reviewed the
accomplishments of several businesses who had benefited from the funds. He presented
a video that highlighted the previous year's accomplishments and their future goals.
Council Member Pech explained he had been delayed at his office and apologized for
arriving late. He stated when several Council Members ran for Council, they had
targeted economic development as one of their platforms and had been instrumental in
launching GO-EDC.
Mayor Cummings stated it was an exciting time in Oshkosh with the arena and the recent
selection of Oshkosh for the Oshkosh Corporation's headquarters. He explained other
municipalities were watching Oshkosh, and much of the City's success was due to
collaboration. He congratulated GO-EDC for their accomplishments.
Resolution 17-616 Approve Architectural Design for Construction of Sanitary Lift
Station at 1507 N. Eagle Street-Mary Jewell Park (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (4) Allison-Aasby, Herman, Pech, Mayor Cummings
Noes (3) Palmeri, Panske, Krause
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Matt Mugerauer, 2321 Golden Avenue, stated he was concerned as a plan/design had
been approved in October, and it was coming back before Council for additional funds
due to aesthetics. He explained he believed it to be unnecessary spending.
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of the plan commission's
recommendation.
Mr. Davis explained the plan commission was concerned as the facility would be located
on a visible corridor, at one of the City's gateways to the community/downtown, and
they wanted to make sure any public buildings in that corridor were high standard.
Council Member Herman questioned if it was a joint project between public works and
the parks department.
Mr. Davis stated that was his understanding.
Council Member Herman stated it was a multi-use station. He explained he understood
the pump station would help control flooding and bathrooms would be constructed for
Mary Jewell Park.
Council Member Palmeri questioned what the approximately 6,000 square feet of
pavement south of the building would be for and if it would be impervious surface.
Steve Gohde, Assistant Director of Public Works, explained it would be a paved access
route and loading area to allow necessary equipment to be transported to and from the
shelter. He explained the pumps were heavy and required a hoist truck to transport.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the added grass-block pavers were in addition to
the 6,000 square feet of pavement.
Mr. Gohde stated typically the pavers would not count towards impervious surface. He
stated it would allow vehicles to back in and turn around; it would not be where any
maintenance would take place.
Mayor Cummings stated one of the goals of the plan commission had been to raise
architectural standards on both City and developer lead projects. He explained the
facility would be located on a gateway to the City and the discussion amongst the plan
commission had been whatever is placed on Oshkosh Avenue needed to be of the highest
architectural standard.
Council Member Panske questioned how often the pumps would need maintenance.
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Mr. Gohde stated the pumps would not be removed frequently, however in terms of
access, service technicians would be bringing tools and servicing the equipment on a
weekly basis.
Council Member Panske questioned if gravel would be sufficient.
Mr. Gohde stated gravel was not permitted.
Council Member Panske stated she believed she had been one of the few Council
Members against the project from the beginning, and she agreed with Mr. Mugerauer.
She explained as long as the facility served its purpose as a bathroom and a pump house
she believed the original design was suitable, therefore she would not support the
changes.
Council Member Herman questioned what the life expectancy of the pump station and
structure was.
Steve Brand, Public Works Utility Manager, explained equipment life was approximately
20 years. He stated City staff performed weekly maintenance checks and pulled the
pumps annually to inspect them. He explained pumps were replaced every 5 of 10 years
according to a regular maintenance routine. He stated the pavement was necessary to
support the heavy equipment utilized to service the station.
Council Member Herman questioned how many pump stations were in the area.
Mr. Brand stated this station would replace the small pump station located near
Punhoqua Street, and the old, problematic sanitary sewer system located underneath the
creek would be eliminated.
Council Member Herma questioned if the pump station would have future involvement
in the development of Oshkosh Corporation's headquarters.
Mr. Gohde stated the lift station was not designed to serve the Oshkosh Corporation area.
Council Member Herman questioned what it was designed to serve.
Mr. Gohde explained it was sanitary sewer designed to serve the area around Eagle
Street, east to Sawyer Creek, north to the Fox River.
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Council Member Herman questioned where it would be pumped to.
Mr. Gohde stated the waste would be pumped towards Oshkosh Avenue, and west
towards Westfield Street where the sewer had recently been replaced during the
reconstruction.
Council Member Palmeri asked for an explanation of the original design versus the new
proposed design.
Mr. Gohde described the original design with knee high block and timber posts. He
explained the new design dropped the roofline by about two feet, 6 additional dormers
were added, the block was changed to a stone veneer and increased in height and
replaced some of the cement board siding on each end with wood paneling.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the 6 additional dormers served any functional
purpose.
Mr. Gohde stated one dormer served as ventilation on the original design, and with the
lowering of the roofline in the redesign, several ventilation units on the building were
able to be removed with the addition of the dormers. He explained they were primarily
aesthetic, however, they were able to be utilized to remove the extra ventilation units.
Council Member Palmeri stated she noted picnic tables pictured on the rendering and
questioned if it was intended that the space could be used or reserved by the public.
Mr. Gohde stated it was his understanding that it was not intended to be a reservable
shelter; it was intended for use at the ball diamond and a place for people to go in to get
out of the sun during the course of an event.
Council Member Herman stated the question had come up during the parks board
discussion of the shelter. He explained it would not be a rentable shelter; the picnic table
area was designed for those using the ball diamond. He stating renting it had raised
concern about noise due to the close proximity to neighborhoods. He explained it was
also designed to be used by those accessing the trail.
Council Member Pech stated while Mr. Mugerauer had a great point, several years ago
when the pump station was built near Webster Stanley School, there had been multiple
complaints about the aesthetics of the building. He explained the City had a difficult
decision as the design standards of the City were being elevated. He stated the Oshkosh
Independent had recently published an article about the clear water wells that would be
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constructed, and the additional funds that would go towards making them aesthetically
pleasing. He explained although he understood fiscal responsibility, he would be
supporting the design change. He stated the area was a gateway to the City and he was
therefore comfortable the additional cost.
Resolution 17-617 Renew Agreement with Interra Health, Inc. for the Provision of
Employee Health Clinic Services at Three Waves Health Clinic &
Wellness Center
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Resolution 17-618 Approval of Fee Schedule for Sewer User Charges
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of the fee increase.
Trena Larson, Finance Director, explained one of the main factors was to ensure adequate
debt service coverage for existing and proposed debt, which was essential and required
as part of bond covenants. She stated additional investment was necessary to maintain
reliable and safe infrastructure. She explained the City's infrastructure was stressed,
dated and in continual need of replacement. She stated the funding was necessary to
remain in strict compliance with state and federal mandates. She explained running the
utilities required the City to adhere to strict compliance, codes and permitting and the
fees assisted in this aspect. She stated it was imperative that City services remained safe
and reliable.
Council Member Herman stated he understood it to be an 8% increase, and questioned if
that equated to approximately$33 a quarter or if it was an annual increase.
Ms. Larson explained the proposal was an 8%increase in the water rate, an 8.5% increase
in the sewer rate and a 7.5% increase in the storm sewer rate. She stated a typical,
residential property owner would experience a fiscal impact of approximately $19 per
year, or an 8.11% increase.
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Council Member Pech stated the cash flow analysis that had been performed by Ehlers
could be accessed on the City website. He explained they showed the investments that
were required to ensure the utilities remained functional and allowed the City to provide
the services citizens required, as well as to meet state/federal requirements. He stated
there was data to support the need for the increase.
Ms. Larson stated that was correct. She explained one of the goals of the cash flow
analysis was to ensure the consistency in the City's rates. She stated it was important to
maintain manageable rates without large spikes of increases and therefore each year a 10
year analysis was performed, which had been an effective tool in keeping rate increases
under double digits.
Council Member Pech explained through the cash analysis, the increases had been
'smoothed' and incremental, rather than having a year with no increase and a drastic
increase the next. He recommended any citizen that had a question about the rate
increase to review the cash analysis documents.
Council Member Palmeri asked for an explanation of the allowable percentages of
pollutants entering the water system.
Mr. Gohde stated the City had met the requirement of a 20% reduction of pollutants that
were discharged to storm water. He explained City staff was trying to move forward and
reduce pollutants further, knowing that there will be further constraints on the daily
allowable amount of released phosphorus in the near future.
Resolution 17-619 Establish 2018 Storm Water Utility Rate to $172.04/ERU/year
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Resolution 17-620 Approve 2018 Across the Board Market Increase for Non-
Represented Employees
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Pech stated the resolution was a formal authorization of an item already
passed in the 2018 budget.
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Resolution 17-621 Approve Renewal of Agreement with Town of Algoma Sanitary
District No. 1
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Herman stated it appeared the Town of Algoma wanted a 10 year
agreement, and City staff recommended a 1 year. He questioned if the Town was
agreeable to the 1 year term.
Ms. Lorenson stated she had a conversation with the attorney for the Town of Algoma
earlier in the day, who indicated they had approved the 10 year extension, and would
need to take it back to their board. She explained the Town would recommend approval
of the 1 year agreement.
Council Member Herman questioned when the other townships would be up for an
extension.
Mr. Rohloff stated over the next 3 years, and he believed the extension with the Town of
Algoma would help serve as the basis for future extensions.
Council Member Herman stated some of the agreements had been in existence for a
considerable amount of time. He questioned if it was normal to complete sanitary sewer
agreements for 40 years with a township.
Mr. Rohloff stated they had historically been 10 year agreements, and rates changed on
an annual basis. He explained the agreement was the City agreeing to provide the
service.
Council Member Herman questioned how the pollutants/phosphorus restrictions were
impacted with the townships.
Mr. Rohloff stated that was part of the reason the City chose a year agreement, to make
sure all of those types of concerns were addressed with future restrictions. He stated
while the rate may change annually, the formula was locked into the contract term,
therefore the City had decided to agree to a 1 year term.
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COUNCIL DISCUSSION, DIRECTION TO CITY MANAGER &FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
Mayor Cummings stated there would be joint workshop with the traffic review board
and plan commission to discuss the traffic impact study on January 30, 2018, at a time yet
to be determined.
Mr. Rohloff explained the traffic impact study was on the Oshkosh Avenue corridor, and
it was anticipated that it would be complete by January. He stated City staff wanted to
provide it to Council in advance, in addition to the traffic review board and plan
commission. He explained it was decided that a joint workshop would be the best means
to discuss the study. He suggested 5:30 p.m. as a start time.
Council agreed.
Mr. Rohloff stated there had been recent discussion about transportation for students,
and a meeting was tentatively scheduled with the school board for January 31St, at a time
to be determined. He explained he would welcome any topic suggestions in addition to
transportation. He suggested 5:30 p.m. as a start time and stated it was the City's turn to
host therefore the meeting would take place at City Hall.
Mayor Cummings stated it had been discussed that Council should meet with the school
board on a quarterly basis.
Mr. Rohloff explained it was an item to consider and encouraged Council to send any
additional topics to him.
Council Member Krause stated although he was not and had never been a user of illegal
drugs, he believed it was important to keep up with what was happening at the state and
federal levels. He explained cities that had changed their policy included Milwaukee,
which had a $50 fine for first time possession of marijuana and a court fee of $74,
Madison's forfeiture ranged from nothing to$100 and a court fee of$87,Neenah mirrored
Madison; Lacrosse and Wausau each had a $50 fine and $74 court fee. He stated the
difference with those cities was they had city court, therefore their court fees were much
lower. He explained he believed Oshkosh should be more in line with comparable,
progressive cities.
Council Member Pech stated he had reached out to the City Attorney and while he had
previously suggested comparing the forfeiture of an open intoxicant to that of first time
possession of marijuana, he learned the fee for an open intoxicant ranged from $75 to
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$500. He explained the forfeiture for first time possession of marijuana was $325. He
stated he understood what Council Member Krause was saying about progressive
communities, however, marijuana remained illegal in Wisconsin, despite changing
opinion. He explained the change would need to occur at the state level, and once that
happened, he would support the topic. He stated he would not agree to lower the fine to
$25. He explained he did not support the argument that people could not afford to pay
the fine and would forgo paying rent or buying food to do so. He stated youth received
tickets for underage drinking, which was illegal, in the range of $125 to $200. He
explained he understood attitudes towards marijuana use was changing, however, the
law remained the law. He stated he would support direction to the City Attorney to
prepare an ordinance to reduce the forfeiture for first time possession of marijuana to
$200 plus court costs. He explained doing so would keep it in-line with other illegal
behaviors such as open intoxicants and underage drinking.
Council Member Krause stated he looked at it as a City issue. He explained local state
representatives, such as Representative Gordon Hintz from Oshkosh and Amanda Stuck
from Appleton, supported full legalization. He stated that was indicative of the Fox River
Valley, which was progressive. He explained he did not believe carrying a small amount
of marijuana was not comparable to an OWI,which could kill someone. He stated alcohol
was fully recreational and there were varying degrees of opinions related to medical
marijuana use. He explained research showed that a number of individuals used
marijuana for medicinal purposes, and unfortunately Wisconsin had not legalized
medicinal marijuana. He stated the biggest opponent to medical marijuana was the
pharmaceutical industry as they were concerned about the impact it would have on their
profits. He explained reducing the fine would result in less police resources being used
for smaller offenses. He stated he understood it was illegal and would be until the state
changed the law. He explained Council Member Pech had proposed lowering the fee to
$200 plus court costs, which would total $389. He stated an OWI cost much less while
having the potential to do much more damage. He proposed 7 grams or less have a
forfeiture of $50 plus court costs, which in Oshkosh would total $200, and over 7 grams
up to 28 grams have a forfeiture of $150 plus court costs, totaling $326. He stated this
would be related to simple possession for those 18 years of age and older.
Council Member Palmeri stated it was her understanding that the next step would be to
place the item as a formal ordinance on a future agenda. She explained she agreed with
Council Member Krause that the court costs needed to be taken into account. She stated
there was already a non-criminal option for law enforcement to utilize. She explained
she did not feel it would be appropriate to reduce the fine for minors under the age of 18.
She stated she would support forfeiture amounts Council Member Krause had proposed,
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considering that Oshkosh did not have a municipal court, resulting in higher costs
beyond the forfeiture amount.
Council Member Panske thanked Council Member Krause for the amount of work and
research he put into his proposal. She explained the reason the topic was being discussed
again was because a group of Oshkosh residents came together to ask Council to change
the forfeiture. She stated related to the financial struggle, Council Member Pech had
compared it to the forfeiture for underage drinking. She explained most of the people
who received underage drinking fines likely lived at home. She stated there were
individuals who received the fine for possession that were financially hindered by it. She
explained she supported the efforts of Council Member Krause and his recommendation
in changing the ordinance.
Council Member Herman explained last year Council had given the City Manager a goal
of exploring the option of a municipal court, and it had been determined that it would be
cost prohibitive. He stated they utilized Winnebago County as a municipal court and
were therefore tied to their court fees. He explained the court fees covered a number of
different things such as the jail, crime lab and other parts of the court system. He stated
the City did not have control over court charges, only the City issued forfeiture amount.
He explained as previously indicated by Chief Smith's description of the accreditation
process, the Oshkosh Police Department was well trained and did their job accurately.
He stated he did not have a comment on the forfeiture, as he had spent over 30 years in
law enforcement administering the law.
Council Member Krause questioned who received the funds from the forfeiture versus
the court fees, and what type of a financial impact lowering the forfeiture would have.
Ms. Lorenson stated the City received the forfeiture amount, minus approximately $5
that was a fee the City paid to the court, and the county as well as the state received the
court costs.
Council Member Pech stated he had a conversation with Chief Smith about the financial
impact of reducing the forfeiture. He explained if the forfeiture was reduced there would
be a financial impact to the City; if the forfeiture was reduced from $325 to the amounts
Council Member Krause had proposed,the impact would be the difference between those
charges, multiplied by the number of citations.
Chief Smith stated that was correct.
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Council Member Pech stated if Council Member Krause was asking if reducing the fine
would cause a significant budgetary constraint, he believed it would impact the budget,
although not significantly.
Council Member Panske stated it would allow the police department to investigate more
severe crimes that were detrimental to society, which could lead to the City recouping
bigger fines from criminals.
Council Member Krause questioned in regards to the citations that had been issued last
year and this year, what the typical scenario was that lead to the citation.
Chief Smith stated there were a number of different scenarios; traffic stops, search
warrants on a house and several other scenarios could result in a citation.
Council Member Krause stated one of the reasons Milwaukee and Madison had reduced
their fines was due to the amount of racial profiling in poor neighborhoods that resulted
in possession of marijuana citations. He explained more affluent individuals who used
marijuana were often not put into that type of situation. He stated he was not claiming
that Oshkosh police officers were engaging in that behavior, however, it was a problem
that a number of cities experienced.
Council Member Pech questioned what the impact of the proposed ordinance would be
to the new narcotics and vice unit.
Chief Smith stated regardless of the amount of the forfeiture, the police department
would continue to operate in the same way they had been. He explained the forfeiture
amount did not impact how they enforced the law.
Council Member Pech asked for an explanation of how the university police were not
able to enforce the City's ordinances. He questioned what would happen to an individual
possessing marijuana that encountered an Oshkosh police officer versus a university
police officer.
Chief Smith stated Oshkosh police officers had an option of charging an individual with
an ordinance violation or charging them criminally. He explained UWO police officers
did not have that option; they could only charge criminally.
Council Member Pech questioned if a criminal charge would result in a larger penalty.
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Chief Smith stated it would depend on the circumstance; a criminal charge resulted in a
negative stigmatism in the community and a second misdemeanor possession of
marijuana charge would become a felony.
Council Member Pech stated where and with whom the encounter took place could have
an impact on the penalty.
Chief Smith stated that was correct.
Council Member Herman stated state patrol officers were also able to make a traffic stop
or act as backup on an encounter, and they were bound by state statute to charge
criminally; they could not enforce a City ordinance. He explained there were multiple
branches of law enforcement that could get involved, including probation and parole
officers. He stated he was not speaking in regards to the pros or cons of lowering the
forfeiture, he wanted the public to be aware that there were a number of circumstances
in which the City ordinance would not be enforced and therefore the change may not be
drastic.
Mr. Rohloff stated based on the discussion, City staff could prepare two separate
ordinances, one with Council Member Pech's proposal, and one with Council Member
Krause's. He explained Council would then have four weeks to consider the options.
Mayor Cummings explained the City had a number of ordinances and fines. He
questioned if this meant that each time Council received a petition, they would need to
change the ordinance or the fine because citizens were not happy with it. He explained
he had made a statement at the previous Council meeting and stood by it; if you don't
like the fine, don't use marijuana. He stated employers in the state were struggling
because many individuals were unable to pass a drug test. He explained he believed it
was a state issue, and if people wanted a change, they needed to reach out to state
representatives. He stated he would not support direction to City staff to prepare an
ordinance on this topic.
Council Member Herman requested that City staff include court costs and any other
items associated with the forfeiture as a supplement to the ordinances they prepared.
Ms. Lorenson stated she would prepare that information.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if an individual did not contest the charges against
them, would they still be subject to the full court costs.
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Ms. Lorenson stated that they would.
Council Member Krause stated he believed the actual forfeiture was the punishment; the
City could not be responsible for the high court costs of Winnebago County. He
explained he supported lowering the forfeiture to help balance out the court costs.
Mayor Cummings questioned why the City would want to help balance out court costs
if an individual broke the law.
Council Member Krause stated there had been a number of laws in place that were not
just, and he believed Council could look at this topic in the same way.
Mayor Cummings stated he could not be more clear than stating 'do not use, and do not
get caught'.
Council Member Pech stated he had a positive discussion with Mr. Kelderman in which
it was determined they both officiated youth sports. He explained USA Hockey
published a rule book every 4 years and as officials they were required to enforce the rule
book. He stated if he did not agree with a rule, it did not mean that he could change it,
he needed to petition the rule making body to change the rules. He explained he viewed
this topic in the same manner. He stated he agreed that Wisconsin was behind other
states,however, it was not Council's job to make the change. He explained the ordinance
could be changed to reduce the forfeiture, as he had suggested, however,
decriminalization needed to take place at the state level. He stated anyone who received
any type of citation was responsible for court costs.
Council Member Krause stated the City was able to have their own rule book.
Mayor Cummings stated the City already had their own rule book. He questioned if Mr.
Rohloff had received adequate direction.
Mr. Rohloff stated yes.
Council Member Herman stated he believed it was appropriate to identify the Sawdust
District as a potential location for a zoning change in addition to other locations
throughout the City. He explained the City was raising its standards and wanted more
upscale amenities. He stated he believed they needed to identify different areas of the
City and identify them as gateway areas, and make determinations on zoning/design
standards in those areas.
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Mayor Cummings stated he agreed with Council Member Herman and believed now was
the ideal time to raise standards, and gateways were the most logical place to begin to do
so. He explained he believed developers, plan commission and Council would be in
support of this effort.
Council Member Palmeri stated she agreed,however, she believed there would be future
discussions on master plans and the creation of cohesive themes in some of these areas,
to give guidance on what the expectation was beyond the idea of a higher standard.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS TO COUNCIL
There were no citizen statements to Council.
CO UNCIL MEMBER ANNO UNCEMENTS & STATEMENTS
Mayor Cummings explained if anyone was interested in serving the community, the
various boards and commissions were in need of members. He encouraged anyone
interested to apply through the City website.
Dean Smith, Chief of Police, stated radio station Q90 approached the police department
and asked them to participate in a program called the Lights of Christmas, which
benefited low income and homeless people while fostering positive relationships
between law enforcement and the community. He stated through sponsorship, the police
department had received $5,000 worth of gift cards as well as 'blessing bags' that
contained warm clothing, food, hand warmers and other items that the homeless
population could use. He explained officers could distribute the items to individuals they
encountered who were in need. He stated he and his staff had distributed a number of
the blessing bags and gift cards at the warming shelter. He encouraged people to reach
out to him if they knew of someone in need.
Mayor Cummings stated he enjoyed children being able to receive gift cards who in turn
were able to purchase a gift for their parents or siblings.
Council Member Panske questioned if the police department would be accepting
donations in order to continue the program in the community.
Chief Smith indicated that they would be happy to. He explained they would like to do
whatever they could to help others as they were community liaisons in addition to police
officers.
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Mayor Cummings stated there was one night remaining of the fire department's food
and toy drive. He explained the outpouring of donations was incredible.
Tim Franz, Fire Chief, explained people could continue to drop off donations at any of
the fire stations.
CITY MANAGER ANNO UNCEMENTS & STATEMENTS
Mr. Rohloff stated there was a variety of memos included in the Council packet, as after
the budget was adopted, work began on capital improvement projects as well as
additional implementation items. He explained the various professional service and
engineering services agreements that were in place for 2018. He stated he believed the
arena update could be removed from future agendas as the arena was up and running.
He explained City staff had prepared a chart in regards to the Oshkosh Corporation
development that detailed various timelines and decisions that will be forthcoming with
various bodies of the City. He stated there was a discussion of creating a new zone titled
Corporate Business Park and the plan commission would hold their final meeting on
Tuesday, December 191h regarding the topic to make a recommendation to the Council.
He explained there was a closed session planned for January 91h to review the Oshkosh
Corporation development agreement. He stated there would be future discussions, as
Council Member Herman had indicated, about the potential to create new zones that
were of a higher standard than current zones. He explained Council should contact him
with any questions, and City staff would continue to look forward 3 to 4 months and
maintain the schedule as a working document to keep Council aware of what was going
on.
Council Member Palmeri questioned at what point Council should expect to begin the
discussion about the remaining acreage and how the process of public input would work.
Mr. Rohloff stated the schedule was related solely to the Oshkosh Corporation project.
He explained City staff could create a separate schedule for that topic and Ray Maurer,
Director of Parks, planned to begin the discussion with the parks board after the first of
the year. He stated the parks board would incorporate public input and share the
information with Council.
Council Member Herman stated he believed the City should wait until it was determined
what Oshkosh Corporation was building, as there may be concerns with storm water that
would result in the loss of additional park acreage. He explained the river walk would
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be complete as it was part of the agreement, however, until it was determined exactly
what space would be available it would be difficult to plan the park portion.
Mr. Rohloff stated according to the schedule, Council would take action on the certified
survey map in February.
Mr. Davis stated there was a two-step process with the certified survey map; step one
was to create the lot for Oshkosh Corporation by the end of the year, and the second
would identify the right aways and easements that were required, which would be based
on the traffic impact analysis and storm sewer plans.
Mayor Cummings explained dark store day had taken place in Ashwaubenon and
Milwaukee, and representatives from the League of Wisconsin Municipalities were
present at both locations. He stated the various speakers presented multiple views of the
topic; he had shared the number of calls police officers took to the active stores, which
averaged nearly 2,000 per year. He explained dark stores resulted in one or two calls per
year. He stated corporations wanted municipalities to provide the same services to active
stores while paying as though the store was dark, which shifted the tax responsibility to
homeowners and small businesses.
Mr. Rohloff stated the goal was to get legislature to schedule the topic for a vote. He
explained there was significant bipartisan support for dark store legislation and the
hearings were complete. He encouraged people to raise awareness and reach out to
legislators to push for a vote. He stated there was a hearing on landlord/tenant legislation
the following day. He explained they had been made aware that there was potential
legislation forthcoming regarding subdivision regulations, which would undermine
many of the protections that Council had requested related to subdivisions. He stated
that topic was scheduled for a hearing the following day as well, and he and Mayor
Cummings would be present to provide testimony. He explained he would report the
details of the hearings in the newsletter.
Council Member Pech questioned who was lobbying for the removal of the protections.
Mr. Rohloff stated his theory was that it was specific lobbying groups such as the
Apartments Association related to the landlord/tenant legislation, and developers related
to the subdivision regulations.
Mayor Cummings stated when he and Mr. Rohloff had attended the hearing on
landlord/tenant legislation, numerous representatives from municipalities across the
state testified to the same concerns Oshkosh had.
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Mr. Rohloff explained State of the City was scheduled for Monday, March 191H
MOTION: TO CONVENE INTO CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION
19.85(1)(C) OF THE WISCONSIN STATE STATUTES TO DISCUSS
THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION & COMPENSATION
REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER AN EMPLOYEE OVER
WHICH THE COMMON COUNCIL HAS JURISDICTION AND
EXERCISES RESPONSIBILITY (Herman; second, Pech).
CARRIED: (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Pech, Krause, Mayor
Cummings
MOTION: ADJOURN (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 8:13 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
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