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CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
OCTOBER 10, 2017
REGULAR MEETING held Tuesday, October 10, 2017, at 6:00 p.m. in Council Chambers,
City Hall
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Steven Herman, Caroline Panske, Jake Krause, Tom
Pech, Jr., Lori Palmeri and Mayor Steve Cummings
EXCUSED: Council Member Deb Allison-Aasby
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney; and Allen Davis, Director of Community Development
Council Member Herman read the Invocation.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Council Member Herman.
PUBLIC HEARING
Resolution 17-489 Approve Final Resolution for Special Assessments — Contract No.
17-31 Cold Mix Asphalt Paving: 1021 Bauman Street
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (5) Herman, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
Noes (1) Panske
Don Schettle, 1021 Bauman Street, provided photographs to Council. He stated he had
received a letter indicating the City planned to redo the street in front of his house. He
explained the road had been moved approximately 8-10 years ago, although they did not
do any work to the middle of the road. He stated the photographs showed the condition
of the road in the middle. He explained he had been told by Mr. Patek, the director of
public works at the time, that the City did not have enough funds to complete the entire
road and therefore just did the sides. He stated he had informed Mr. Patek it would cause
problems in the future. He explained he did not feel as though he should be responsible
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for the cost as it should have been taken care of by the City when they moved the road.
He suggested the City complete a temporary repair down the middle, as it was not
supposed to be a permanent fix due to the age of the sewer system. He stated if the City
decided to complete the entire street, they should cover his costs as he was the only
property owner adversely impacted.
Council Member Panske questioned if he had been assessed for the previous work.
Mr. Schettle stated no; the City had wanted to move the road and had not charged the
property owners.
Council Member Panske questioned when the work had been done.
Mr. Schettle stated approximately 8-10 years ago. He stated the four properties on the
east side had benefited as they had received additional footage from the right of way, and
the road had been moved as far west as possible onto his property. He explained he was
the only remaining property owner that would be adversely impacted.
Council Member Pech questioned why this property was singled out when the material
provided to Council indicated there were several properties on the street being assessed.
James Rabe, Director of Public Works, explained there had been a public hearing for the
other properties on the street, however, a notice had been missed to 1021 Bauman Street,
which was why there was a public hearing for the sole property.
Council Member Pech questioned if the other properties on Bauman Street would receive
an assessment.
Mr. Rabe stated yes, every property would be assessed in accordance with the policy.
Council Member Pech questioned if the property owner was being treated any different
than the other property owners on Bauman Street.
Mr. Rabe stated no, it was a matter of the notice being missed that caused the need for
the public hearing.
Council Member Panske questioned why Council had not received any information
regarding the pavement work 8-10 years ago; she explained the packet indicated the
pavement had been placed on Bauman Street in 1925.
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Mr. Rabe stated he was not certain. He explained if the GIS was not appropriately
updated when the work was done it could explained why it was not properly
documented.
Council Member Palmeri questioned why the City would have not repaired the center
section. She asked if it was a rare situation or if it was something that the City did in
other locations.
Mr. Rabe questioned if she meant at present time or in the past.
Council Member Palmeri stated in the past.
Mr. Rabe stated he was not certain why the decision was made in the past.
Mr. Schettle explained he had been told by Mr. Patek that the reason it was not complete
was that the City did not have enough money to do so.
Council Member Herman stated based on the photographs, it appeared to be the center
of the road that was in poor condition. He questioned if that's where the City would have
put the storm sewers at the time.
Mr. Rabe stated there would not be storm sewers running down the center on Bauman
Street, they would run perpendicular at the cross streets towards the river.
Council Member Herman stated due to the width of the road he would guess that most
traffic drove down the center. He explained he thought it was notable that it was the
center of the road that was in poor condition, which was in a sense the City's
responsibility. He stated Council had approved the project aside from the single property
being missed in the notice.
Mr. Rohloff stated to clarify the policy did not state that the City would cover the middle
third of the road. He explained the City covered 1/3 and each resident side covered 1/3.
He stated the City owned property on the other side of the street and were covering
approximately 2/3 of the cost of the street repair.
Council Member Pech stated it was one thing to be frugal and another to be cheap. He
explained this was a situation in which his predecessors had chosen to go the cheap route
and did not take care of something when it should have been. He stated he understood
the gentleman's concern, although the other properties were also being assessed.
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Council Member Herman stated Mr. Schettle was not being singled out, the other
property owners would be equally assessed. He explained he believed it would be a
good way to extend the life of the road.
PRESENTATIONS
Professor David Fuller stated he had originally planned to speak on police, fire and
rescues charges, and at the last minute he had been informed he was asked to speak about
the impact of EAA.
Mr. Rohloff stated he should present whatever Mr. Goelzer had asked him to speak
about.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the agenda was being changed.
Mr. Rohloff explained he believed it was relevant to the discussion.
Council Member Panske stated the agenda listed 'impact of EAA on local economy'.
Mr. Rohloff stated Dr. Fuller would be doing an economic analysis and he believed it
would be appropriate to give him leeway.
Dr. Fuller explained that Oshkosh was event City which had a positive impact through
increased tourism and economic activity, as well as increased recognition and exposure.
He explained there was a negative side to it as well, with a strain on City resources such
as police, fire and rescue services (PRF). He stated the goal of his analysis was to help
discover the best method for charging for PRF services at special events in the best
interest of the City overall. He explained the stakes were high; although it may not seem
important how charges were calculated as long as the budget balanced, special events
were an important component of the local economy. He stated his perspective often
varied from that of the City's.
Council Member Pech questioned how the presentation would connect to EAA's impact
on the local economy.
Dr. Fuller stated this was what he had been asked to present.
Council Member Pech questioned who had asked him to do so.
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Dr. Fuller stated by David Goelzer. He explained he had received a copy of the agenda
and noted that it listed 'economic impact of EAA' which was not what he had been asked
to present.
Mr. Rohloff stated he had forwarded the title to Mr. Goelzer, who did not get back to him
with different wording, therefore he left the description as it was.
Council Member Pech explained there was a perception in the community that the City
was not being transparent or communicative about topics, therefore he believed it was
important to adhere to what was listed on the agenda.
Ms. Lorenson stated the presentation appeared to apply more to the item listed later on
in the agenda related to special event fees.
Mr. Rohloff stated he did not disagree.
Council Member Herman requested Mr. Goelzer approach the podium.
Dave Goelzer, EAA counsel, stated he had indicated to Mr. Rohloff and Council that they
had requested that Dr. Fuller complete the analysis, which he had provided copies of. He
explained he had told Mr. Rohloff he would like Dr. Fuller to present his report to the
Council. He stated he had sent Mr. Rohloff a title, which was broader than the one listed
on the agenda, and combined the study with economic impact. He explained there had
been no attempt to hide anything and he would be happy to provide the email regarding
the details of the presentation with Mr. Rohloff.
Council Member Pech stated while he understood, he believed he presentation applied
to the discussion that would be held later in the evening about special events.
Mr. Goelzer explained he had requested that Dr. Fuller be permitted to present the first
study, which was what he was trying to do.
Council Member Pech stated perhaps Dr. Fuller should present the economic impact first,
and speak a second time during the special events section.
Mr. Goelzer stated Dr. Fuller's study dealt with a strategic view of how the City should
look at and deal with special events. He explained it was broader than the 2018 charges
that were listed on the agenda.
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Council Member Pech stated Mr. Goelzer was referring to charges, when the item was
listed as economic impact.
Mr. Goelzer stated that had been a mistake; in his view there was no doubt that the
presentation was supposed to have been the two-part study on determining charges for
special events. He explained it had been forwarded to Council approximately 6 weeks
ago.
Council Member Pech questioned what the second part of the study was related to.
Mr. Goelzer stated the second part was titled 'assessing the fiscal impact of EAA on the
City of Oshkosh'. He explained it was not part of the study related to the $170 million
that benefited the Fox Valley; it was specific to the City. He stated while the two studies
sounded alike, they were different.
Mr. Rohloff stated he had located Mr. Goelzer's email where he talked about the title. He
apologized for the confusion. He explained it was up to Council how Dr. Fuller
proceeded.
Council Member Palmeri stated it sounded as though it had been a miscommunication.
She explained because they did not have a presentation on the economic impact of EAA,
the information from Dr. Fuller needed to come later in the meeting during the special
events item.
Council Member Herman stated he agreed, although he believed Dr. Fuller's presentation
would pass the 5 minute time limit during the special events resolution.
Council Member Panske questioned if Dr. Fuller had the second part of his study on the
economic impact of EAA with him.
Dr. Fuller stated no.
Mr. Rohloff stated Council had been sent reports prior to the September 121h workshop,
and he had mixed up the titles between the two different reports.
The consensus of the Council was to reschedule the presentation.
Mr. Rohloff apologized for the confusion.
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Mayor Cummings stated he understood there was a number of individuals present to
speak on the Lakeshore Municipal Golf Course topic. He explained there would be a
presentation, followed by Council, and then citizen comments.
Mr. Davis explained City staff had been receiving comments on the different concept
plans that were displayed on the City website. He explained they had also held two
public input sessions, and a summary of the information had been provided to Council
in written form. He stated the concept plan was not a fixed document and was still being
developed. He explained specifics to the concept plan, such as the different types of
recreational opportunities that may be available at the site, they were not being proposed
at this time as it would be up to the advisory parks board and parks department to help
determine in the future. He stated it was not yet determined if Council would approve
the proposal or if Oshkosh Corporation would accept the proposal; they remained in a
competitive environment and the goal was to submit the proposal by November 1, 2017.
Council Member Herman stated he did not understand how concepts could be proposed
to citizens and Oshkosh Corporation and then later changed. He questioned who had
decided to move forward in this direction. He stated he understood there was not enough
greenspace for the size of the community. He explained he felt the City was moving in a
direction he did not believe they could come back from. He stated that bothered him
because Council had not had the opportunity to weigh in on any of it.
Mr. Davis explained the parks advisory board and the parks department made it clear
that they wanted time to create a master plan if there were to be 70 acres remaining. He
stated they had not started work on a plan, they had concepts developed to present a
non-binding proposal to Oshkosh Corporation.
Mr. Rohloff stated concept plans, similar to the Sawdust District, were subject to final
plans. He explained this was to provide the public an idea of what things could be
possible at the site. He stated the parks board would play a major role in any
redevelopment at the site and would ultimately be making a recommendation to Council.
He explained the concept plans were to get the public thinking about different
possibilities. He stated there were concept plans for the Sawdust District, although the
only piece that had a master plan was the arena. He explained it was not unusual to
begin with concept plans and further down the road solidify intents.
Council Member Pech stated he had sent an email to Mr. Rohloff, Mr. Davis and Mr.
Burich explaining that if the proposal were to be accepted by Oshkosh Corporation, the
remaining acreage would remain community greenspace. He explained he did not
support concept 2, as it would have significant additional development in the area that
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was currently part of the golf course. He stated he wanted to make it clear that any land
that did not go to Oshkosh Corporation would remain public greenspace.
Mr. Rohloff stated he had been clear in his email. He explained the purpose of the public
input sessions had been to see if there were any other ideas in the community, and they
had received a number of suggestions. He suggested that everyone keep an open mind
about the possibilities for the site.
Council Member Palmeri stated she struggled with the fact that it seemed there was an
assumption that the sale would happen, when Council had not had a discussion on
whether the golf course would continue or if a proposal was a possibility. She explained
she understood there was a compressed timeline, however, she felt the process was
taking place out of order. She stated the decision making piece was missing from the
timeline.
Mayor Cummings stated a concept plan was just a concept; the idea needed to begin
somewhere and City staff was not able to just keep verbalizing ideas. He explained they
were in competition with other cities throughout the country. He stated the proposal
would be for 30 acres to go to Oshkosh Corporation and the remainder to stay community
greenspace. He explained the concept plans merely provided an idea of what the site
could be; it was a beginning point.
Council Member Palmeri stated the timeline listed 'November 1- draft proposal due to
Oshkosh Corporation', and questioned if that would be a draft or final proposal.
Mr. Davis stated it was listed on the timeline as the deadline to have a proposal drafted
to provide to Oshkosh Corporation. He explained it would go before Council for
approval at the November 141h Council meeting.
Council Member Palmeri stated it would be the pre-Council final draft.
Mr. Davis stated that was correct.
Nik Davis, Principal Associate, Houseal & Lavigne Associates, explained the concept
plans gave a visual interpretation of what would be possible at the site. He stated there
could be many different versions of the concept plans and a master plan would need to
be developed in the future. He presented visuals of the two different concept plans, the
first which emphasized capitalizing on greenspace and did not include additional
development on the golf course footprint; the second concept was similar to the first,
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aside from an additional development area. He presented a 3D visualization of the first
concept to give a sense of what the site could look like.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if there was not going to be any additional
development outside of the Oshkosh Corporation campus on the first concept, why a
restaurant was depicted.
Mr. Nik Davis stated there was a potential restaurant location that had been
recommended by Oshkosh Corporation and was an item to consider as they moved
forward.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if Oshkosh Corporation had directed them to
include the restaurant in the concept plan.
Mr. Nik Davis stated they did not direct, they had explained that it was an amenity they
were looking for.
Mayor Cummings stated any development along Oshkosh Avenue would take place on
private property, there was no City property. He explained he believed the City had been
clear that whatever was developed in the area would need to be first class operations. He
stated the area would become a gateway into the community, and the developments
would need to reflect the high quality and caliber of the City.
Council Member Pech stated it was his understanding that the restaurant was not
included just for Oshkosh Corporation; that it could be a destination for community
residents.
Mr. Nik Davis stated that was correct. He explained they could see value in a restaurant
being included at the site due to the number of people expected to utilize the area,
although because it was a concept plan it may not be located exactly where it was
currently situated on the visual aid.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS
Ann Marshall, 1120 Olson Avenue, explained the potential concepts for redevelopment
of the golf course was one of the'hot topics' on the City's website. She stated she attended
a public input session and thanked the City for the opportunity. She explained while she
had biases, she tried to recognize them and not let them influence her decisions. She
stated Oshkosh Corporation had a huge economic impact on the City and surrounding
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area and it would have been inexcusable if GO-EDC and the City had not taken action
when they learned that Oshkosh Corporation was looking at various locations. She
agreed that greenspace was essential in the community and the golf course sat on
approximately 100 acres. She explained that while many enjoyed the golf course, she
doubted that even 10% of the City's population of 66,000 people used the course, and the
two parks on the space were small. She stated if 30 acres were sold to Oshkosh
Corporation it would leave 70 acres of greenspace that had potential to be developed into
a lakeside park for the use of the community. She explained she understood there were
additional suggestions to the two concept plans that had been presented. She stated she
preferred the first concept of developing the space into a large park that the entire
population of the City would have access to. She explained she did question where the
money to make that development happen would come from, although she stated that
was a conversation topic for another time. She stated she believed the City needed to
make every effort to keep Oshkosh Corporation's executive offices here. She explained
if Oshkosh Corporation were to leave, there would be significant negative consequence
to the City's economic stability.
Rachel Hansen, 344 Oak Manor Drive, stated she was present to represent Propel, which
was Oshkosh's young professional organization. She explained one of their missions and
goals was to attract young professionals aged 21-40 for local businesses in the Oshkosh
area. She stated they accomplished this by hosting many business and social events
throughout the year. She explained the City shared a similar goal,which was why Propel
wished to speak in favor of Oshkosh Corporation attaining the lakeshore property. She
stated Oshkosh Corporation was the single largest tool in recruiting and maintaining
young professionals to the City. She explained they had conducted a survey amongst
young professionals aged 34 and under. She stated of the 87 respondents, 72 young
professionals responded that they wanted Oshkosh Corporation to stay in Oshkosh, even
if it meant selling the golf course. She explained it would further economic development,
maintain jobs, support local businesses and continue its philanthropic endeavors. She,
on behalf of Propel, requested that Council vote to sell the golf course to Oshkosh
Corporation to protect the integrity of the community and continue to enhance the future
for young professionals.
Kathleen Propp, 1936 Hazel Street, stated she was present to speak in favor of parks. She
explained Lakeshore Municipal Golf Course was not just a golf course;it was a park. She
stated parks were quality of life assets, and no water front park was an underutilized
piece of land that should be sold for development, even to Oshkosh Corporation. She
explained contrary to popular belief, the golf course was not struggling, it was popular.
She stated the charge for golf basically covered operating expenses and there was no
taxpayer levy. She explained the golf course enterprise fund owes$800,000 to the general
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fund due to a huge 2009 balloon debt payment to cover the course's drainage
improvement. She stated the drainage work should not be viewed solely as a golf course
benefit; without that project the parcel would not be buildable today. She explained
Oshkosh fell well below national standards for community parks, open space and
recreation areas. She stated she believed the waterfront, public greenspace should either
remain as a golf course or become a community park with its own master plan for
recreation facilities. She explained in the event Council were to proceed with a sale to
Oshkosh Corporation, she supported the first concept plan with maximum park acreage
and zero commercial development on golf course land. She stated the City's price should
be maximum market value, established with advice from outside professionals, not just
the City assessor. She explained the proceeds should first go towards a river walk and
park improvements. She stated it hurt to lose the lake front property, although Oshkosh
Corporation paying for(through the sale price) the improvement of 70 acres of park space
would help heal the division in the community. She explained she would not support
any development by a different company should Oshkosh Corporation not proceed with
the proposal.
Council Member Pech requested Ms. Propp share the recommended acreage of park
space.
Ms. Propp stated it was 7-10 acres per 1,000 members of the population and Oshkosh had
just over 5 acres per 1,000. She explained the statistics were from the 2011 parks and
recreation plan.
Council Member Pech stated there were two additional large greenspaces that were
located within the City, however, because they were owned by another governmental
entity, were not included in the data.
Ms. Propp stated she did not believe County Park was included in the statistics,however,
she explained Ray Maurer, Director of Parks, would be able to answer that question.
Ray Maurer, Director of Parks, explained County Park was not included in those
statistics, as they identified City owned properties.
Council Member Pech stated County Park did fall within the City boundaries.
Mr. Maurer stated agreed.
Council Member Pech questioned if part of Asylum Bay fell within City boundaries.
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Mr. Maurer stated he was not certain.
Mayor Cummings questioned if the greenspaces at schools were incorporated into the
statistics.
Mr. Maurer stated no.
David Borsuk, 1205 Washington Avenue, stated he was in favor of offering Lakeshore
Golf Course to the Oshkosh Corporation so that they had the opportunity to choose to
stay in the community.
Jonathan Doemel, 455 Zarling Avenue, explained the biggest 'park' in the City was the
river and the lake, and right now it was difficult to access. He stated while he could
understand the love of the golf course, and had friends and family asking him to help
save Lakeshore, he wanted Council to help save Oshkosh. He explained the issue was
bigger than the golf course. He stated the NFL did 13 billion in sales last year and
Oshkosh Corporation did 6.3 billion. He explained that had a large economic impact and
their philanthropic donations were substantial. He recommended Council do everything
possible to provide the community access to the waterfront and to keep Oshkosh
Corporation here. He stated he did not blame Mr. Rohloff for initiating the conversation.
Rob Hartley, 1711 Punhoqua Street, stated he proposed to incorporate the golf course into
the present 70 acres that would be left. He explained he had obtained the free help of golf
course designers including Mr. Detlaff, who stated he could take holes that were
presently on the course and convert them while saving the greens and tee boxes for cost
effectiveness. He stated many courses were combining the front 9 and the back 9 by
offering alternative greens. He described the different course alternatives. He stated
biking/hiking trails and fishing piers could be incorporated. He explained this would
offer the best of both worlds. He stated he would keep Council updated via email.
Matt Mugerauer, 2321 Golden Avenue, stated he believed that Mr. Rohloff was doing his
job in reaching out to Oshkosh Corporation. He explained without a clear directive from
Council to do or not to do something, he had the authority and duty to protect the
community. He stated had Mr. Rohloff not reached out to Oshkosh Corporation, the City
would not even be in the running for the site of their corporate headquarters. He
explained the golf course was a business, not a park, and was meant to be self-sufficient.
He stated due to poor management over many years they had not been able to pay down
the debt associated with it, and they had not charged an appropriate rate to properly fund
their operations. He explained the community could only access the property by paying
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for a service. He stated in selling the course, the City would have the ability to open up
the remaining 70 acres of land to the community.
Sean Elliot, 2875 Fox Tail Lane, stated he was vice president of advocacy and safety at
EAA and a longtime Oshkosh resident, and was present on behalf of EAA in support of
the sale to Oshkosh Corporation. He stated in the 1950's and 1960's, the fly-in for EAA
did not exist in Oshkosh; it was based in Rockford, Illinois. He explained in 1969,
Rockford passed on an opportunity to maintain the fly-in, and leaders in Oshkosh sensed
an opportunity and welcomed EAA to the community. He stated Oshkosh had become
a mecca of the aviation industry while Rockford regretted their decision. He explained it
was essential for the City to put its best foot forward in regards to keeping Oshkosh
Corporation in the community. He stated there were many cities that were eager for the
opportunity to have Oshkosh Corporation choose them for their corporate headquarters.
He advised Council to be take the opportunity seriously.
Tom Bauer, 1338 Winnebago Avenue, stated he struggled with the discussion on
greenspace as he believed its value was overestimated. He explained he lived near
Menominee Park and he did not believe it was heavily used, and was oftentimes empty.
He stated it was one thing to talk about the need for greenspace, and another to discuss
if people were actually using the greenspace that was available. He stated he believed
Oshkosh Corporation had earned the property by their longtime presence and impact in
the community. He explained the building they would construct would make an
impression on those entering the City. He stated he wanted Oshkosh Corporation to feel
valued. He explained the corporation had a lot of offers, and for them to choose to stay
in a community of this size would be significant to the City.
Bill Miller, 3322 Isaac Lane, explained he did not believe the golf course was a park; if
you did not pay, you could not play. He stated it was a defunct business that did not
make money. He explained 17 years ago,it had been promised that the golf course would
repay its debt to the City, and that had not happened. He stated numerous significant
manufacturing jobs had left the City. He explained the number of high paying jobs on
the line was not something to be overlooked.
Nicole Peterson, 1545 Arboretum Drive, explained she was in support of Oshkosh
Corporation, especially due to the impact they have had on the youth in the community.
She stated they came into the classroom and engaged students in unique opportunities,
and opened the door for other community partners to do the same. She explained they
had been welcoming and open to the community, and had inspired other companies to
try and get involved with students and youth. She stated she was excited about the
opportunities that were coming to Oshkosh. She explained the younger generations in
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the community wanted to be able to have fun and do things right in Oshkosh, and not
rely on Green Bay or Appleton for entertainment. She encouraged Council to invite
Oshkosh Corporation to the Lakeshore site.
Pat Weston, 2550 Lamplight Court, stated he believed it would be a win for the City to
turn the golf course into a business and community park. He explained if they were able
to retain Oshkosh Corporation, it would benefit the City immediately and into the
foreseeable future.
Matt Jameson, 431 Marion Road, stated he was speaking from the perspective of an
Oshkosh resident, an Oshkosh Corporation supplier and a volunteer of a number of local
non-profit organizations. He explained Oshkosh Corporation's headquarters, wherever
it was located,was more than a building. He stated it was the epicenter of the company's
ability to provide direct employment to thousands and the hub of their outreach to
numerous supply chain partners. He explained it was the location in which corporate
leaders decided on huge philanthropic endeavors that benefited the entire region. He
stated the organization saved the lives of those in war, firefighters and many more. He
explained it impacted the lives of nearly everyone in the community, and Lakeshore Golf
Course,no matter how anyone felt about it, did not have that effect. He stated there were
more than 145 suppliers just in the City that supported the work of Oshkosh Corporation.
He explained their large employment base combined with the employment base of their
numerous suppliers frequented retailers, service centers and restaurants in the City
resulted in a huge economic benefit. He stated the City would be able to grow with the
expanded presence of a premier Fortune 500 company having its world headquarters in
Oshkosh. He explained 92% of all Fortune 500 companies were located in cities of more
than 70,000 people and within a 45 mile radius of a city with more than 450,000 people.
He stated Oshkosh would be one of only 8% that host a Fortune 500 company
headquarters in a municipality below that threshold. He explained the Boys and Girls
Club would not be able to be as effective or life changing without the help from Oshkosh
Corporation. He stated the individuals making the decisions to help reside at the
headquarters, and see the impact they have on the kids in the club. He explained he had
golfed at Lakeshore and his son's team utilized the course as their home course. He
appreciated the sentimental value, however, he believed in forward thinking. He stated
golf courses to add to prosperity, although they did not create it.
Brett Spangler, 841 Cherry Street, stated if it were true that Lakeshore was the only site
in the City suitable for a headquarters, in 25-50 years when they needed a new
headquarters, there would be nothing keeping them in Oshkosh. He explained future
generations would be left with less land and the demolition costs for a building that was
too large to house any other organization. He stated he believed the City was negotiating
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from a place of weakness as the deadline kept changing. He explained good deals did
not happen when you had no leverage. He stated the silence from Oshkosh Corporation
was deafening as they have not responded or attended any meetings. He explained it
appeared they were making every effort to leave while the City destroyed its future to
appease them.
Kirk Spaulding, 1456 Maricopa Drive, stated he was a lifelong resident and golfer at
Lakeshore. He explained he believed the City could not afford to lose Oshkosh
Corporation. He stated he understood that Lakeshore was the only viable site in
Oshkosh, and if keeping the corporation in the City could be accomplished by offering
the site, he would support that. He explained if the golf course were to disband, there
were markers and memorials throughout the course that would need to be addressed.
He stated if Oshkosh Corporation were to go in a different direction,he hoped the process
would be different if the course were to be offered again. He explained he believed a
referendum should take place.
Laurence Carlin, 2803 Stoney Beach Street, stated he wished to express his support for
Oshkosh Corporation and the sale/development of the property. He explained the
overarching questions should be 'what was best for Oshkosh'. He stated to him, the
answer was clear as Oshkosh Corporation employed thousands, brought considerable
revenue to retailers,hotels and restaurants in the region and provided invaluable support
to the community, which were things the golf course could not do. He explained if they
let the opportunity go, it would be devastating for the City. He stated some had argued
that Oshkosh Corporation should select a different site in the community or region,
however, they would not build elsewhere and take a less desirable site when their goal
was to attract and retain a talented workforce. He encouraged Council to join in the
support of the development of Lakeshore and stated it was an exciting time for the
community.
Tim Schiessl, 4208 Shady Lane, stated there were several other sites within the City that
would be suitable for Oshkosh Corporation. He explained the golf course should have
never been recommended as a choice to a private company. He stated he believed
Oshkosh Corporation was a gamble. He explained companies would come and go,while
the park was an institution. He stated if Oshkosh Corporation kept threatening to move,
the City should listen to them. He explained if the corporation left, another would replace
it. He stated he was upset that private business would be able to select a jewel of the
community.
Gerald Anklam, 1402 Liberty Street, questioned the decision of Oshkosh Corporation to
build a large, corporate headquarters on expensive land. He stated he thought the money
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could be used for future product development. He explained he had training in lean
manufacturing and had learned what you invest had to have a return. He stated he had
heard they need a world class facility to attract people, however, he believed that pay
was what attracted people. He explained he had read that the corporate headquarters
would result in 200 more jobs, and hoped that they would have a product output
matching that or they would become 'top-heavy'.
CONSENT AGENDA
Report of Bills by the Finance Director
Receipt & Filing of Oshkosh Library Board Minutes from August 31, 2017
Resolution 17-490 Approve Option to Purchase Agreement with Bobolink Mitchell
Falls, LLC/ Southwest Industrial Park
Resolution 17-491 Approve Authorizing Submittal of Environmental Protection
Agency Community Wide Assessment Grant
Resolution 17-492 Approve Determination of Necessity to Acquire Property at 132 W.
91h Ave; Authorize Redevelopment Authority to acquire 132 W. Stn
Avenue (Redevelopment Authority Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-493 Approve Determination of Necessity to Acquire Property at 117 W.
81h Ave Authorize Redevelopment Authority to acquire 117 W. 81h
Avenue (Redevelopment Authority Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-494 Approve Spot Blight Designation; Authorize Redevelopment
Authority to acquire 87 Frankfort Street ($22,000.00)
(Redevelopment Authority Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-495 Moved to New Ordinances below
Resolution 17-496 Approve Acceptance of Great Lakes Green Infrastructure
Champions Grant
Resolution 17-497 Amend te &Time fef SpeEi ' Event RedRE)E' EtiensLLC
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Resolution 17-498 Approve Combination "Class B" Licenses & Agent Change for
Combination "Class A" License
MOTION: ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
ACTION TAKEN ON ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
Ordinance 17-495 Approve Intermediate Attachment of Properties from Town of
Algoma Effective March 1, 2018 per Approved Cooperative Plan
Zone B Generally Located North of State Road 91, West of USH 41,
South of State Road 21
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
Ordinance 17-499 Approve Zone change from SMU Suburban Mixed Use District to
SMU-PD Suburban Mixed Use District with Planned Development
Overlay located at 3001 S. Washburn Street (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
Resolution 17-500 Approve Developer's Agreement for Ripple Avenue Estates; 3900
Block of Oregon Street
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
Resolution 17-501 Approve Specific Implementation Plan Amendment for Placement
of an Electric Vehicle Charging Station at 2415 Westowne Ave (Plan
Commission Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
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Resolution 17-502 Approve Employee Health Insurance Agreement with Anthem
B1ueCross B1ueShield & Dental Insurance Agreement with Delta
Dental of Wisconsin
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
Council Member Palmeri asked for an explanation of the agreement. She stated it was
her understanding that the University was no longer going to be offering Anthem, and
questioned if that had been due to a performance issue or benefit concern. She asked if
City staff had compared notes with staff from the University.
John Fitzpatrick, Assistant City Manager, stated they had not consulted the University
staff regarding Anthem. He explained City staff had operated independently and went
through a request for proposal (RFP) process and had narrowed it down to Group Health
Trust, Network Health and Anthem. He stated in addition to the cost savings, the
employee participation committee had evaluated the RFPs and recommended Anthem.
He explained selecting Anthem would result in the most savings and least disruptions to
the City staff utilizing the benefit.
Council Member Palmeri stated she understood it was a substantial savings.
Mr. Fitzpatrick stated it was approximately$400,000.
Mr. Rohloff stated although they had not discussed Anthem with University staff,
Associated Benefits rated the various benefit options. He explained while Anthem had
not received a high rating, City staff had presented that to the employee participation
committee,who still recommended Anthem despite the rating. He stated if the City were
to have concerns related to service in the future, City staff would work with Associated
Benefits to resolve the issue.
Council Member Herman stated he believed Group Health Trust had contributed
towards the clinic. He questioned if there would be an impact on the clinic under the
new plan.
Mr. Fitzpatrick stated there would not be an impact to the clinic. He explained Group
Health Trust had provided $200,000 annually towards the clinic and Anthem had agreed
to provide the same amount.
Council Member Herman questioned how the plan would impact the employees.
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Mr. Fitzpatrick stated there would be a small decrease in premium and the plan design
was similar to the existing plan. He stated there would be some disruption in service for
some employees as Anthem would require employees to utilize Aurora, and some had
been utilizing providers that would be outside of network. He explained that number
was in the minority and a majority of employees would be able to keep their doctors.
Resolution 17-503 Approve Charges for Extraordinary Services for Special Events —
2018
MOTION: ADOPT (Palmeri; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
Ellen Schmidt, 4303 Swallow Banks Lane, stated Sawdust Days had struggled with the
fee increase and the event would cost over$4,000 this year. She explained they would be
charged for police vehicles, ATVs, trailers and trucks. She stated they had donated over
$35,000 for permanent power, and had moved away from using that, which resulted in
them being charged additional costs for generators. She explained she did not believe
police officers received $79 per hour for straight time and $104 for overtime. She stated
she understood the need to charge for police officers, however, she believed the charges
were too much. She explained special events were important to Oshkosh and she did not
believe the City was creating a friendly atmosphere for events. She stated she understood
there was a deficit in 2015 and the City was trying to make it up, however, she did not
believe it should be made up on the back of special events. She requested Council
consider the fee schedule carefully; Oshkosh was considered Event City and she felt as
though the City was trying to price them out of putting the events on.
David Goelzer, 7307 N. Bridge Lane, Fox Point, stated he was EAA's legal counsel and
had been a member of the special event fees working group. He explained the special
events ordinance stated the cost for extraordinary services charged to event organizers
would not exceed the actual cost of providing the service. He stated he objected to using
Federal Emergency Management Agency(FEMA) rates for equipment use. He explained
FEMA rates were what was charged when the government rented equipment from local
governments or others to use during a disaster that a local governing body could not deal
with on its own. He stated the FEMA rates were not relevant to a City charging an event
organizer for temporary use of existing equipment that the City provided for an event
that in some way benefited the City and its quality of life. He explained FEMA rates were
high; the charge for a police car that was idling by the side of the road was $15.69 a day.
He stated he did not believe a special event should have to pay that high of a cost. He
explained it had been stated that FEMA rates were widely accepted, which was true,
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when they were implemented for their intended use. He stated he believed City staff was
selecting FEMA rates because they were high and would result in a revenue source for
the City. He explained the calculation for the charge for police/fire services had not been
disclosed in the materials and he had to request the calculation from City staff. He stated
the City had included a 10%multiplier in the calculation of the rates. He explained in the
working group it had been decided that transparency would be a key factor in regards to
charging for special events. He stated there had never been a mention of a 10%surcharge.
He explained it had been part of the rates that were proposed at the beginning of the year,
and it was his understanding that it should have been removed. He stated that he had a
discussion with Trena Larson, Director of Finance, and she explained that the 10%he was
referencing was intended as part of the budget for compensation of the special events
coordinator. He explained he objected to the 10% additional charge that had been
proposed in the beginning of the year, and the 10% that was included within the charge
calculation. He stated he had not understood it was intended for an employee's salary,
and felt it was a poor way to budget. He explained that he believed the rates should be
rejected and any future proposals should be required to include a complete explanation
of how the rates were determined.
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of how the fee schedule had been
determined.
Ray Maurer, Parks Director, explained it had been a long process of the working group.
He stated they had met April through July, twice a month, and reported to the City
manager at the end of the process. He explained they had explored a number of options
related to calculating charges including researching how other municipalities throughout
the country charged for special events. He stated they had proposed to charge for a
number of items that had not been charged for in the past, including Community Service
Officers, various fire services and straight time from various departments. He explained
the 10% additional charge was not an administrative charge, which had been discussed
earlier in the year, he stated it had been included on all invoices since the special events
coordinator position had been created. He stated that information had been shared with
the events working group; the 10% surcharge did not cover the cost of the position's
salary, it only contributed to a portion, and the remainder of the position was paid for
through the use of hotel room tax.
Council Member Pech questioned what the increase in fees was for 2018 compared to
2017.
Mr. Maurer explained across all events, the total increase would be approximately
$65,000, which included $50,000 in City staff costs, a portion of which had not been
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charged for in the past. He stated the increase was compared to 2016 rates because there
had not been an increase in 2017.
Council Member Pech stated it was his understanding that 2017 actual costs were not
being recovered.
Mr. Maurer stated that was correct.
Council Member Pech questioned if there was an alternative to FEMA rates that City
would be able to base the fee schedule off of. He asked for an explanation of why FEMA
rates were used.
Trena Larson, Director of Finance, explained the basis for the FEMA rates was that if the
City were to develop its own equipment rates, and FEMA were to come in during a
disaster, the City would have to utilize its lower rates. She stated the FEMA rates were
calculated from research and analytics that include direct and indirect costs such as
operating variables, annual use hours,maintenance and overhaul costs in addition to unit
price information such as fuel price, labor rates and the cost of money. She explained
FEMA's goal was to cover more than just the physical price of the police car; in owning a
vehicle there were always charges outside of the initial purchase cost such as ongoing
maintenance, fuel, tires and other items. She stated that was what FEMA had established
their rates around.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the City had a payment in lieu of taxes (PILOT)
agreement with EAA.
Ms. Larson stated the City did not have a PILOT agreement with EAA.
Council Member Pech stated it was his understanding that there were opportunities for
event organizers to reduce fees by taking alternative measures. He explained an example
related to Sawdust Days would be moving locations to prevent tying up a park, or
moving out of the boat landing area. He stated there were ways event organizers could
work with City staff to minimize or mitigate costs.
Ms. Larson explained there had been suggestions from the working group related to
equipment in regards to thinking creatively and working in more of a partnership. She
stated they had also discussed barricade rental and how it was not necessarily the City's
role to act as a provider of barricades. She explained there were private businesses within
the City that were geared towards that. She stated the City would like to see event
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organizers partnering with more private sector businesses. She explained it was
important to think creatively and utilize all the resources within the community.
Council Member Herman stated it was his understanding that in order to help the special
events, the City had built a four year incremental charge into the fees; it would not be a
lump sum drastic increase.
Mr. Maurer explained that was correct. He stated each year there would be a 25%
increase, and after four years the fee schedule would be fully in effect. He explained this
way event organizers would be able to plan and budget for future events.
Council Member Herman stated there had been a question from an event holder
regarding the salary of an officer. He requested an explanation of the compensation of
police officers.
Dean Smith, Chief of Police, stated that Ms. Larson would be best suited to answer that
question.
Council Member Herman stated he was asking for an average salary for a police officer.
He explained it was included in the data provided to Council and asked if it was a correct
representation.
Ms. Larson stated it was correct. She explained the City had used methodology that had
been modified as a result of the working group meetings, which included the hourly
wage,benefits and comp time that police, fire and other department employees received.
She stated there had been a modification as a result of the working group; the City had
traditionally charged health insurance in the regular rate as well as the
overtime/doubletime rate. She explained it had been brought up by a working group
member that the health insurance rate did not increase if an individual worked more
hours, therefore the current methodology that was proposed did not include health
insurance costs for overtime/doubletime rates.
Council Member Pech thanked the members of the working group and City staff for the
time and effort they put in. He explained as a special events organizer, he did appreciate
the services the City provided that allowed his organization to hold a safe event and
contribute to the community. He stated budgets would need to be adjusted to
accommodate the additional costs as it was a necessary part of keeping the event safe for
the participants and the community. He explained he appreciated that the fee schedule
was well thought out and contained verifiable data.
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Council Member Palmeri stated Council had heard from many of the event organizers
that they wanted more time prior to new fees being initiated because it was too much to
absorb the entire increase at once. She explained she believed having 4 years to budget
for the increases was more than fair and therefore she supported the fee schedule.
Council Member Herman stated he believed there was a misunderstanding amongst
special event organizers that the City did not want to have special events in the
community or appreciate the economic impact that they have. He explained he
disagreed; he recognized how the events benefited the hotels, restaurants, convenience
stores and other retailers. He stated despite the benefit, there was a cost to having a
police/fire departments, paramedics, auxiliary officers and community service officers.
He explained they were services the event needed to keep the attendees and the
community safe. He stated the City appreciated events, they needed to cover the costs of
the City staff that supported them. He thanked the working group for their input.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION, DIRECTION TO CITY MANAGER &FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
Mayor Cummings reminded Council of the budget workshops on October 301h and 31s'
from 8:00 a.m. until 5:00 p.m.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS TO COUNCIL
There were no citizen statements to Council.
CO UNCIL MEMBER ANNO UNCEMENTS & STATEMENTS
There were no Council Member Announcements or statements.
CITY MANAGER ANNO UNCEMENT AND STATEMENT
Mr. Rohloff stated there were two new recognized neighborhood associations in the
Sacred Heart and Congress Field neighborhoods. He explained related to the arena, the
public improvements were going well aside from the railroad crossing at 141h Avenue.
He stated Canadian National Railroad had not been very responsive. He explained he
had brought it to the attention of Congressman Grothman as he believed the City may
need to get federal intervention as they had experienced such a poor response from the
railroad. He explained City staff was not concerned with the water loop, however, the
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storm water piece needed to be addressed. He stated there were larger storm sewers
leading to the sewer under the track, and if it was not resolved, could result in flooding.
James Rabe, Director of Public Works, explained they had done extensive modeling for
that area and there was a significant need to upgrade the storm sewers. He stated an old,
corrugated metal pipe that had been installed in the 1950s had recently failed. He
explained the Canadian National design team and engineering group had been less than
cooperative and had been imposing additional permits primarily due to the fact that there
had been a derailment in Illinois due to a boring contractor. He stated due to the actions
of that contractor, the railroad was reacting very strongly and imposing significant
changes that he believed would cause more problems than they were correcting.
Council Member Panske questioned if there were any assistance Council would be able
to provide in relation to the railroad.
Mr. Rohloff explained there was no formal action that would need to be taken. He stated
the best approach in dealing with the railroad was to get to the federal level as they were
federally regulated. He explained he believed it would be appropriate to contact the
offices of the area representatives and let them know that the City was not receiving
cooperation.
Council Member Panske questioned if that was something Council should take action on.
Mr. Rohloff stated he would reach out, and encouraged Council to do the same. He
explained additional contact never hurt.
Ms. Lorenson stated her office had been assisting engineering with pushing the project
forward.
Mr. Rabe indicated that the City Attorney's office had been extensively involved and had
been a great asset to his team.
Council Member Palmeri questioned from a liability standpoint, what would happen if
they did not get the agreement with the railroad and there was a flood, due to the
connection not being the right size.
Ms. Lorenson stated she would prefer not to answer the question in open session.
Council Member Palmeri questioned how long they had been working with the railroad
on the concern.
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Mr. Rabe stated it had been at least three or four months.
Mr. Rohloff explained draft TIF materials had been provided to Council, which included
a process timeline to give an idea of how the process would work. He stated City staff
had provided the application scoring criteria for the three different types of TIFs as well
as a table on development agreements.
Mr. Davis explained City staff would continue developing the process throughout
October and would be bringing it before Council in November. He encouraged any
Council Members with questions or suggestions to work with City staff. He stated the
professional service agreement with AECOM was in preparation for 2018 capital
improvements, and they had conducted similar geotechnical testing for the City in the
past. He explained at a public input session, the question of the cost of Houseal &
Lavigne's services related to the preparation of concept plans for Lakeshore Municipal
Golf Course. He stated it was estimated at approximately$45,000.
Council Member Herman stated he hoped City staff stressed to AECOM the importance
of providing accurate information to City engineers. He explained there had been a
number of change orders due to items that were found after the fact. He stated related to
the golf course, that the decision was open and not etched in stone, however, Houseal &
Lavigne had only been asked to complete the two concept plans and a 3D version. He
explained that appeared as though the decision had been made.
Mr. Rohloff stated the idea behind doing a conceptual plan was to receive feedback and
share information.
Council Member Herman explained he understood that, although City staff was putting
a proposal together, and that was part of the proposal.
Mr. Rohloff stated the conceptual plans were geared towards public information and not
for Oshkosh Corporation. He explained there were additional details that would be
discussed in closed session related to negotiations with Oshkosh Corporation.
Council Member Palmeri stated there had been issues with Houseal & Lavigne on other
projects, and she was surprised that City staff had decided to utilize their services for this
project. She explained she agreed with Council Member Herman in regards to the change
orders. She stated she believed there had been a number of errors that resulted in
additional costs. She questioned if the investment in services with AECOM was solid, as
the City was depending on the company.
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Mr. Rohloff stated he believed it may be appropriate for Council to have a work session
on how the change order process worked. He explained to get close to 100% accuracy, it
could cost upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars. He stated a workshop may help
alleviate some concerns. He explained there were some projects that had come in
significantly under budget in 2017. He stated the unexpected changes were not due to
bad engineering, they were due to bad soil. He explained unless a road was completely
dug up prior to construction, there would always be an element of'guesswork .
Council Member Palmeri stated there had been recent facilities analysis completed on
City buildings. She explained it was her understanding that the City was contracting
with AECOM to completed a similar assessment on a different type of facility.
Mr. Rohloff stated that was correct.
Council Member Palmeri stated she would expect that the analysis be more solidified,
given the cost.
Mr. Rabe explained one of the challenges with the environmental records review was that
there was sometimes limited information in the Wisconsin Department of Natural
Resources (WDNR) database. He stated they did work with geotechnical drilling
companies to test materials ahead of time, although there were times in which the data
does not reveal everything and wrong estimates were made. He explained they had
consultants who had owned their mistakes and paid for a portion of the cost. He stated
AECOM had done so in the past. He explained when there was a professional error, the
City would recover the cost. He stated when an error occurred because there was a lack
of data, there was not any action that could be taken. He explained anytime the ground
was opened, there was the possibility of something that was not anticipated, and City
staff did the best they could to minimize that potential.
Council Member Pech stated AECOM had a code of conduct and a code of ethics that
should be upheld. He explained while cost overruns were concerning, he understood
that there would always be unknowns.
Tim Franz,Fire Chief,explained it was fire prevention week and his department had been
out canvassing the neighborhoods and reminded the community to check their smoke
detectors.
Council Member Pech stated he had noticed signs regarding speeding on Jackson Street
between Murdock Avenue and New York Avenue.
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Dean Smith, Chief of Police, explained he had met with residents in the neighborhood
where the signs were posted. He stated residents had also appeared before traffic review
board to discuss utilizing grant money to purchase a radar sign that displays the speed
limit and the speed of the approaching vehicles to call attention to the speed limit. He
explained his department was also doing enforcement efforts in the area.
Council Member Pech stated he drove that stretch of road daily and he agreed speeding
was a concern.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the equipment that the Historic Jackson Street
Neighborhood Association would purchase with the grant money would be used solely
in that neighborhood or if it would be shared.
Chief Smith stated it would be mounted on a pole and remain in place. He explained the
police department did have a sign board that could be moved to various places.
Council Member Herman commended the police department's task force for their great
success in their first year.
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MOTION: THE COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO CLOSED SESSION
PURSUANT TO SECTION 19.85(1)(E) OF THE WISCONSIN STATE
STATUTES TO DISCUSS BARGAINING OPTIONS, STRATEGY,
PARAMETERS AND TERMS RELATED TO THE NEGOTIATION
OF POSSIBLE AGREEMENT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF
LAKESHORE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE, WHERE
COMPETITIVE BARGAINING REASONS REQUIRED A CLOSED
SESSION AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 19.85(1)(C) OF THE
WISCONSIN STATE STATUTES TO DISCUSS THE
PERFORMANCE EVALUATION AND COMPENSATION
REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER AN EMPLOYEE OVER
WHICH THE COMMON COUNCIL HAS JURISDICTION AND
EXERCISES RESPONSIBILITY (Herman; second, Pech).
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Palmeri, Mayor Cummings
MOTION: ADJOURN (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
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CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
OCTOBER 17, 2017
SPECIAL MEETING held Tuesday, October 17, 2017, at 5:00 p.m. in room 404 at City Hall.
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Caroline Panske,Tom Pech,Jr.,Deb Allison-Aasby, Steve
Herman, and Mayor Steve Cummings
EXCUSED: Council Members Jake Krause and Lori Palmeri.
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney; and Allen Davis, Director of Community Development
MOTION: THE COMMON COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE
SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 19.85(1)(E) OF THE
WISCONSIN STATE STATUTES TO DISCUSS BARGAINING
OPTIONS, STRATEGY,PARAMETERS AND TERMS RELATED TO
THE NEGOTIATION OF POSSIBLE AGREEMENT FOR THE
REDEVELOPMENT OF LAKESHORE MUNICIPAL GOLF
COURSE WHERE COMPETITIVE BARGAINING REASONS
REQUIRED A CLOSED SESSION. (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Pech, Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Council Member Palmeri arrived while the motion was being read.
MOTION: ADJOURN (Cummings; second, Pech)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 5:01 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
OCTOBER 24, 2017
MEETING held Tuesday, October 24, 2017, at 5:00 p.m. in room 404 at City Hall.
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Caroline Panske,Jake Krause,Tom Pech,Jr.,Deb Allison-
Aasby, Steve Herman, and Mayor Steve Cummings
EXCUSED: Council Member Lori Palmeri.
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney.
MOTION: THE COMMON COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO CLOSED
SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 19.85(1)(C) OF THE
WISCONSIN STATE STATUTES TO DISCUSS THE
PERFORMANCE EVALUATION AND COMPENSATION
REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER AN EMPLOYEE OVER
WHICH THE COMMON COUNCIL HAS JURSIDICTION AND
EXERCISES RESPONSIBILITY. (Herman; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
MOTION: ADJOURN (Allison-Aasby; second, Krause)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 5:02 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
OCTOBER 24, 2017
REGULAR MEETING held Tuesday, October 24, 2017, at 6:00 p.m. in Council Chambers,
City Hall
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Caroline Panske,Jake Krause,Tom Pech,Jr.,Deb Allison-
Aasby, Steven Herman, and Mayor Steve Cummings
EXCUSED: Council Member Palmeri
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney; and Allen Davis, Director of Community Development
Council Member Panske read the Invocation.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Lesley and Alexa Lunquin from Lourdes
Academy.
PUBLIC HEARING
Resolution 17-504 Approve Final Resolution Vacating Alley West of South Main Street
between Th & 81h Avenue (Plan Commission Recommends
Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
CITIZEN STATEMENTS
Robert Prehn, 1022 Washington Avenue,explained although many had ties to the historic
golf course, the City had an opportunity to convert 70%of the land into a park that would
be accessible to the entire community while keeping the headquarters of Oshkosh
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Corporation local. He stated in its present condition the golf course was not a park as it
was off-limits to a significant amount of people who did not play golf, and no trespassing
signs indicated entry was not permissible unless green-fees were paid. He explained
retaining Oshkosh Corporation was vital to the community and would have significant
economic impact. He urged Council to do all they could to keep Oshkosh Corporation's
headquarters in the City.
Diane Penzenstadler, 1123 Buchanan Avenue, stated as a golfer she understood there
were a number of courses located in the area, which was one of the reasons she was in
support of selling a portion of Lakeshore Municipal Golf Course. She explained while
she loved golf, she believed it was more important to focus on the greater good of the
community through keeping Oshkosh Corporation's headquarters in the City. She stated
she was aware of the negative impacts that occur when a big corporation leaves and was
concerned about what would happen should Oshkosh Corporation leave. She explained
she understood there were some in the community who were opposed to the sale of the
golf course, she believed there was a larger group who was excited about opening up the
area for more public use. She stated there were numerous benefits to selling the course,
including additional jobs, a positive impact on the housing market and more green space.
She explained the community had elected Council to make these types of decisions and
a referendum was not necessary. She urged Council to make a decision in the best interest
of the entire community by working hard to keep Oshkosh Corporation.
Colleen Stadler, 1736 Sanders Street, stated she had received a violation for having brush
in her yard. She explained although she would pay the fine, she would like Ordinance
17-36B changed, as citizens were not notified and did not have an opportunity to correct
prior to receiving a fine. She stated her neighborhood was being targeted by a
disgruntled former City employee. She questioned what course of action she should take
to get the ordinance changed. She stated she believed the citizens should receive
notification and have an opportunity to correct when they were in violation of an
ordinance, as many were not aware of each ordinance.
Council Member Panske questioned if that would be something Ms. Lorenson would
review.
Ms. Lorenson explained it was a policy decision up to Council, and if Council provided
direction she would review the ordinance.
Mayor Cummings stated he believed it should be reviewed.
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Council Member Herman explained she had not received a fine; the $20 charge was an
administrative fee that was requested by City staff due to the time it takes when a citizen
files a complaint or City staff notices a concern. He stated City staff needed to go to the
site and take pictures as well as draft the letter informing the citizen of the violation. He
explained she had not received a citation, which would have been approximately $150.
He stated the $20 covered the time that City staff took to investigate the complaint. He
explained while he agreed the ordinance could be reviewed, she had received a warning.
Ms. Stadler stated she would like the ordinance changed to provide notice to citizens
without a fee. She explained there was a member of her neighborhood that used to work
for the City and was familiar with the ordinances who liked to target neighbors.
Council Member Herman stated they would review the ordinance.
Council Member Allison-Aasby apologized for not responding to Ms. Stadler's original
email as it had been missed due to receiving a high volume of emails regarding other
current City hot topics.
Ms. Stadler explained she had been looking for direction and knew for the future not to
include all of Council on emails.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she was able to do so.
Council Member Panske explained she believed Ms. Stadler had been provided a copy of
the municipal code and an appeals form that would allow her to appeal the service fee.
Ms. Stadler stated she had received a section of the code and was not sure how to
complete the form.
Council Member Panske questioned if she had someone in City Hall that she was
working with.
Ms. Stadler stated John Zarate, Chief Building Official, had been providing assistance to
her through email. She explained she had asked for a copy of the procedure for
complaints, and had been told it was up to the discretion of the inspectors. She stated
she believed there should be a procedure.
Mr. Rohloff stated Allen Davis,Director of Community Development,would be available
to have a discussion with Ms. Stadler after the meeting regarding the administrative
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portion of the concern. He explained Council would be able to review the ordinance from
a policy perspective.
Tom Castle, 2247 Ryff Road, stated he was present to discuss the City's relationship with
the community. He explained Oshkosh Corporation was one of the City's customers, as
was each of the citizens and businesses. He stated Oshkosh Corporation was seeking a
piece of property and while he understood how emotional the topic was for many people
it was ultimately an economic decision. He encouraged Council to explore each
opportunity to give Oshkosh Corporation what they need to stay in the community.
Clyde Williams, 619 W. 111h Avenue, stated he had received a code violation and had been
receiving them for multiple reasons recently. He explained last year he spent $4,000 for
a new gutter system for his house and a City inspector had noted that the drain by the
front of the house was not correct. He stated because he had not corrected the drain fast
enough he received a$50 fine. He explained he had been trying to sell a couple boats and
had received a citation due to the boats not being stored in a correct location on his
property. He stated his driveway was gravel and he had been parking his vehicles on
the space. He explained he had been told because the gravel was not zoned as his
driveway he was unable to park there. He explained the zoning department had
informed him he would be unable to do so because of the gravel, it would need to be
black top or concrete. He stated he had been told the gravel was not allowed as it may
get into the street. He explained there were a number of dump trucks that travelled his
road, leaving debris, and did not believe his small amount of gravel would cause a
problem. He requested the City consider zoning his driveway without the black top or
concrete being completed as he lived on a limited income.
Mr. Rohloff recommended Mr. Williams contact Todd Muehrer, the City's zoning
administrator.
Mr. Williams stated he had contacted Mr. Meuhrer and had been told he needed to install
black top or concrete in order to have it zoned as a driveway. He explained his driveway
had been in its present condition for 20 years and had not caused any problems. He
stated he did not have extra income to spend on replacing the gravel or the fines he
continued to receive for moving items around in his driveway.
Mr. Rohloff stated Mr. Williams would also be able to contact Allen Davis, Director of
Community Development, or his office to discuss what his options were. He explained
zoning variances were not approved by Council; they were approved by the zoning
board of appeals.
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Council Member Herman explained the zoning code had been recently approved by
Council. He stated if the code required Mr. Willaims to black top the gravel, that was
likely the action he would need to take.
Mr. Williams stated he already had a gravel driveway.
Council Member Herman stated he understood that, however, code did not vary from
house to house, it was community wide. He explained Mr. Williams was able to appear
before the board of appeals to see if they would grant a variance.
Mr. Williams stated he believed the driveway should be 'grandfathered' in as it existed
prior to the code updates.
Council Member Herman stated that would be a request he would have to make to the
board of appeals as City staff was required to follow the code.
Mayor Cummings suggested Mr. Williams speak with Mr. Davis as it was not an issue
that Council would be able to resolve.
Mr. Williams stated he believed Oshkosh was headed in the right direction and
appreciated all the improvements that had been done throughout the City.
John Casper, 120 Jackson Street, explained he was present to speak on behalf of the
Oshkosh Chamber, a business association that represented approximately 1,000 members
in Oshkosh. He stated the chamber strongly supported the proposal that would retain
Oshkosh Corporation in the community, as the City was fortunate to be home to a
Fortune 500 company. He explained they were an economic engine for the community
that provided good paying jobs, a business base for a significant local supply chain and
brought global distinction to the region. He stated the City was competing with at least
four other communities and consequently needed to be bold and competitive. He
explained the loss of Oshkosh Corporation would be a blow that would be felt for
decades. He stated Council needed to put forward an aggressive proposal to which
Oshkosh Corporation could not say no, as now was the time for the community to work
together to secure the future of the City.
Stephanie Carlin, 2803 Stoney Beach Street, explained she had provided Council with a
copy of a presentation that had been given to the members of the board of education. She
stated the board of education would meet the following evening to vote on a resolution
to support Oshkosh Corporation and the partnerships it has with the Oshkosh Area
School District. She stated as an elected official, it was her job to do what was best for the
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students, and keeping Oshkosh Corporation in the City was best. She explained Oshkosh
Corporation supplied talented individuals to come to the classrooms to speak about
careers in engineering and manufacturing. She stated they provided volunteers to assist
students during STEM nights as well as serve as mentors for young engineers and allow
them to participate in job shadow days. She explained the 'people first' culture of
Oshkosh Corporation extended into the community. She stated the company also
provided the school district with significant resources and funding. She explained the
charitable donations from Oshkosh Corporation directly impacted students. She stated
much of what the company did for the community went unnoticed, largely due to their
modest corporate culture. She implored the Council to invest in Oshkosh Corporation
by providing them a world-class headquarters site. She stated the children, the
community and the future of Oshkosh would benefit.
Ken Arneson, 1230 Welshhaven Drive, stated he was the president of Evergreen
Retirement Community as well as a partner in a small business in Oshkosh. He explained
it was not correct to believe that a corporation would stay simply due to a name or
history. He stated Fond du Lac had nearly lost Mercury Marine. He explained the City
was not in a position to have an organization such as Oshkosh Corporation leave the
community. He stated the decision made by Council would affect many other businesses.
He explained the project had the potential to spur significant growth in an area that had
been deteriorating. He stated he appreciated Council taking the time to listen to different
viewpoints, however, he believed it was now time for Council to take action and make a
competitive offer that no other community would match. He explained in making such
an offer, it would also extend a message to other organizations and citizens that Council
was committed to both the present state of the community and a long term prosperity.
Mark Lasky, 3190 Old Orchard Lane, stated he had grown up in Oshkosh and after
returning as an adult was excited to see the progress the City had made. He believed one
of the biggest disadvantages in Oshkosh was that the community suffered from low self-
esteem. He stated the City had a lot to offer including the state's third largest university,
a Fortune 500 company as well as beautiful waterways. He explained he had personal
experience with the Oshkosh Corporation executives and had witnessed their dedication
to the community. He stated he believed Oshkosh Corporation wanted to be here, and
the City needed to make sure they remained here. He explained he believed the City
needed to grant the corporation the land, provide them the infrastructure and create a
TIF as part of the proposal if necessary. He stated the community would benefit.
Bill Wyman, 1372 Waugoo Avenue, stated the opportunity to host the headquarters of a
Fortune 500 company was not one the City could miss. He explained Council was faced
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with an important decision and would need to take risks to achieve goals. He requested
Council do everything possible to retain Oshkosh Corporation.
CONSENT AGENDA
Report of Bills by the Finance Director
Receipt & Filing of Common Council Minutes from September 26, 2017
Receipt & Filing of Oshkosh Public Museum Board Minutes from September 7, 2017
Receipt of Claims filed with the City's Insurance Company:
A) Susan Vander Grinten for alleged damages due to a fall on a City street
Resolution 17-505 Approve Amendment #1 to Professional Service Agreement with
AECOM for Construction & Environmental Oversight; Jeld-Wen
Riverwalk West of Oregon Street ($164,250.00)
Mayor Cummings asked for the explanation of the word 'oversight' in relation to the
resolution.
Mr. Rabe explained the term 'oversight' was used to describe watching over the
construction contractor. He stated AECOM would function as the City's agent to make
sure that the work that the contractor performed was in compliance with the
specifications and plans. He explained the City did not have adequate staff to supervise
the construction and completion of the project.
Mayor Cummings stated he understood they would act as a project manager. He
requested the word not be used in the future and additional descriptions be provided to
explain what was happening.
Mr. Rabe indicated he had worked with AECOM and requested they revise their
verbiage.
Council Member Herman stated he had noticed that the City had been using AECOM for
a number of projects. He questioned when the City last bid out to companies who
provided similar types of services.
Mr. Rabe stated he was not certain.
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Council Member Herman stated the reason he had brought it up was several Council
Members had attended a conference for the Wisconsin League of Municipalities, and
there were at least 5 similar companies present. He explained he believed it was time to
do a competitive bid or put together a request for proposal.
Resolution 17-506 Approve Revised Conditions of Specific Implementation Plan for a
Vehicle Charging Station at 2415 Westowne Avenue (Plan
Commission Recommends Approval)
Resolution 17-507 Approve Conditional Use Permit to Establish an Outdoor Storage
Use at 1850 W. Fernau Avenue (Plan Commission Recommends
Approval)
Resolution 17-508 Approve Conditional Use Permit for a Freight Terminal
Development at 3010 Bradley Street (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
Council Member Herman questioned if there had been any City staff discussion about
moving Bradley Street up in the CIP. He stated he was concerned that if the street was
already in poor condition that the additional semi traffic may exacerbate conditions.
Mr. Rabe stated he would need to work with City staff to evaluate the needs of the street.
He stated there may be project funding that could be allocated.
Council Member Herman stated they had heard from several community members how
important businesses were to the community, and the transport company was a new
business that would benefit from roads that could support their load.
Resolution 17-509 Approve Phase II of 2017 Great Neighborhoods Capital
Improvement Program Funding in the Amount of$7,000.00
Carmella Uptagraft, 75 Farmstead Lane, stated she was part of the North Park
Neighborhood Association, which had been in existence for approximately a year. She
explained they had embraced the idea of greater neighborhoods and had taken advantage
of everything the City had to offer to improve the neighborhood. She stated they were
utilizing grant funds to add landscaping to the median entrance that the neighbors would
maintain, as well as blacktopping a section of path that leads from the neighborhood to
the County Park.
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Council Member Herman questioned if Winnebago County had been made aware that if
approved by Council, the path leading to the park would be black topped.
Steven Wiley, Assistant Planner, stated they had been in contact with County Park staff,
who approved of the project.
Council Member Herman stated he had several citizens question how neighborhoods
were notified that a neighborhood association had been formed.
Mr. Wiley explained letters were mailed to the neighborhood body.
Council Member Herman stated he supported these types of projects and believe the
work that planning and the neighborhood associations had done improved the quality of
the neighborhoods.
Resolution 17-510 Award Bid to Capelle Bros. & Diedrich Inc. for Cladding
Rehabilitation for the Oshkosh Public Library ($103,339.00)
Resolution 17-511 Award Bid to Sherwin Industries Inc. for Ride-On Scarifier for the
Sign Division ($21,964.00)
Resolution 17-512 Reassign Polling Site for Districts 5, 6, 8 & 10
Resolution 17-513 Approve Special Event — Faith Christian Center to utilize Melvin
Street during their Fall Family Harvest Party held at Faith Christian
Center/October 31, 2017
Resolution 17-514 Approve Special Event — UW Oshkosh Veterans Association to
utilize City streets for their March for the 22 Event / November 9,
2017
Resolution 17-515 Approve Special Event —Downtown Oshkosh Business
Improvement District to utilize Opera House Square & City streets
for the Downtown Oshkosh Whoville Holiday event/November 18,
2017
Resolution 17-516 Approve Special Event—Friends of the Oshkosh Parks, Inc. to utilize
Menominee Park for the Celebration of Lights / November 24
through December 31, 2017
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Resolution 17-517 Approve Special Event — Special Olympics Wisconsin to utilize
Millers Bay at Menominee Park& City streets for the Polar Plunge &
Freezin' for a Reason 5K/February 16-17, 2018
Resolution 17-518 Approve Special Event — Run Away Events to utilize Menominee
Park&City streets for the Run Away to the Bay event/April 21,2018
Resolution 17-519 Approve Special Event — Digital Documents LLC, dba L&K
Productions to utilize Opera House Square & Market Street for
Square Fare / June 16, July 21, August 18, September 15 & October
20, 2018
Resolution 17-520 Approve Special Event — Great Lakes Timber Professionals
Association to hold the Great Lakes Logging & Heavy Equipment
Expo at Sunnyview Exposition Center/ September 6-8, 2018
Resolution 17-521 Approve Class "B" Fermented Malt License, Special Class "B"
Licenses & Operator Licenses
MOTION: ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA (Pech; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
ACTION TAKEN ON ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
Ordinance 17-522 Approve Intermediate Attachment of Properties from Town of
Algoma Effective March 1, 2018 per Approved Cooperative Plan
Zone B Generally Located North of State Road 91, West of USH 41,
South of State Road 21
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Ordinance 17-523 Approve Zone change from SMU Suburban Mixed Use District to
SMU-PD Suburban Mixed Use District with Planned Development
Overlay located at 3001 S. Washburn Street (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
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MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Ordinance 17-524 Amend Parks Ordinance Pertaining to Fishing along the south side
of the Fox River Riverwalk (Advisory Parks Board Recommends
Approval) (Staff Recommends Waiving the Rules & Adopting on
First Reading)
MOTION: SUSPEND RULES (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Mayor Cummings asked for an explanation of the boundaries.
Council Member Herman presented a slide that illustrated the locations where public
fishing was prohibited along the river walk. He explained the section had never been
open to public fishing and the owners of the Morgan District had requested to retain the
right of no fishing in the location so future developments would not be impacted. He
stated the parks board was in favor of the ordinance.
Council Member Panske questioned if it was an item that could be changed in the future
if the land use agreements were to change.
Council Member Herman stated that it could.
Ordinance 17-525 Modify Parking Regulations on Leeward Court West,North Westfield
Street&West 6th Avenue
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
Ordinance 17-526 Cancel December 26, 2017 Council Meeting
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
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Resolution 17-527 Approve River East Neighborhood Plan (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Council Member Pech stated he was pleased that the neighborhood associations
continued to grow, expand and do great things for the City.
Resolution 17-528 Approve Miller's Bay Neighborhood Streetscape Vision Plan (Plan
Commission Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Allison-Aasby; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Council Member Herman explained that the plan identified various activities that may
involve future allocations of healthy neighborhood funds or Community Development
Block Grant (CDBG) funds. He stated there were several ways the City funded the
projects and the plan gave the neighborhood a vision to work towards.
Resolution 17-529 Approve Amendment to Tax Incremental District No. 31
Development Agreement & Ground Lease Agreement with Fox
Valley Pro Basketball, Inc.
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (5) Panske, Krause, Pech, Herman, Mayor Cummings
Present (1) Allison-Aasby
Greg Pierce, 115 Westwind Drive, Neenah, explained when they had first started the
arena project, it was clear that it could not happen without City involvement. He stated
the TIF had made it possible to remediate and build on the former Buckstaff property.
He explained the amendment would change the language to allow for a special
assessment and reduced the timeframe it would take to pay back the TIF. He stated the
interest savings in reducing the timeframe by 7 years was substantial.
Council Member Pech stated he believed Mr. Pierce explained the amendment well and
asked if Mr. Rohloff had anything to add.
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Mr. Rohloff explained the timeline on the project had been tight. He stated through the
TIF, the City was assisting the developers in bringing the property up to the standard of
other properties elsewhere in the City. He explained the TIF did not fund any portion of
the building, it assisted in getting the property to a buildable state. He stated without the
TIF funds, the developer would have extraordinary costs that would make the project
cost prohibitive.
Council Member Pech asked Mr. Rohloff to clarify that the City was not paying for the
building.
Mr. Rohloff stated there had been talk in the community that the City was paying for the
arena building which was not the case. He explained due to the short timeframe of the
project, the initial numbers had been fluid.
Council Member Pech stated he understood the naming rights that were recently
announced helped with the cost of the arena building, not with the cost of the
infrastructure.
Mr. Rohloff explained naming rights were typically used to help with operational costs.
Council Member Pech stated he had been questioned on why the arena would need
additional funding after they had signed the naming rights agreement.
Mr. Pierce explained an arena was paid for by marketing and selling space; the naming
rights was only one component to be used for operational costs and selling advertising.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she would vote present as she had a business
relationship with the president of Fox Valley Professional Basketball.
Council Member Herman questioned what some of the items were that had added
additional costs to the project.
Mr. Rabe stated he was not aware of the site conditions and therefore unsure of what
those items were.
Council Member Herman questioned if there was a member of City staff that could
provide that answer. He stated he would like the citizens to know what had been found
that resulted in the change to the TIF.
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Allen Davis, Director of Community Development, explained there was poor soil in the
area and despite soil testing it was impossible to know the exact condition of the ground
until digging began.
Council Member Herman questioned if the size of the water main on 141h Avenue was
related to the concern with the railroad.
Mr. Rabe explained the water main was not an arena related cost, it was a water utility
cost.
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of how the 'pay-go' TIF worked for
the City and the developer.
Mr. Rohloff stated with a'pay-go' the developer fronted the cost of the project instead of
the City. He explained Fox Valley Professional Basketball was fronting the cost of
everything on the site as well as a portion of public improvements. He stated as tax
increment was generated, it would be used to pay off the money that had been fronted.
He explained the City assumed much less risk.
Council Member Herman stated Council had received numerous negative emails related
to the arena project and wanted to make sure the public understood the details. He
explained the arena would be an asset to the community. He stated he believed the
Menominee Tribe would bring value to the community through the naming rights
agreement and understood there would be a museum at the arena with their artifacts.
Resolution 17-530 Approve Specific Implementation Plan for Planned Development of
an Electronic Message Center at 3001 South Washburn Street (Plan
Commission Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Resolution 17-531 Amend 2017 Capital Improvement Program — Purchase of Conical
Section for Centrifuge No. 1 ($50,000.00)
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
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Resolution 17-532 Approve Purchase of Conical Section for Centrifuge No. 1 from Alfa
Laval, Inc. ($43,586.94)
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
Resolution 17-533 Award Bid for Public Works Contract No. 17-03 to Miron
Construction Co., Inc. for Mary Jewell Lift Station & Park Shelter
($2,981,403.60)
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (5) Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor Cummings
Noe (1) Panske
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of the lift station.
Steve Gohde, Assistant Director of Public Works, explained the new lift station was
intended to replace the small lift station that was located on the corner of Punhoqua
Drive. He stated the need for the lift station had been driven by the Sawyer Creek
dredging project. He explained a syphon had been installed after a dam was discovered
within the Sawyer Creek water system, and it was not doing an adequate job of
preventing backups.
Council Member Herman questioned if the project would impact the potential future
infrastructure of Oshkosh Corporation.
Mr. Gohde stated he would anticipate that area would be drained via gravity to a sanitary
sewer system at the intersection of Westfield Street and Oshkosh Avenue.
Council Member Allison-Aasby clarified that the City was not building a $2.9 bathroom.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION, DIRECTION TO CITY MANAGER &FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
Mayor Cummings reminded Council of the budget workshops on October 301h and 31s'
from 8:00 a.m. until 5:00 p.m.
Mr. Rohloff explained City staff would be prepared to talk about their budget requests
and any reductions Council requested.
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Council Member Pech indicated he may be absent for a portion of the workshops due to
his job.
Mr. Rohloff explained Council had requested that a survey of City committee/board
members, Council and City staff be completed to determine interest in the various
options that had been presented to Council. He stated the results had been included in
the Council packets. He explained there had been interest in consolidating the parking
utility and the traffic review advisory boards. He stated there was also interest in folding
the Grand Opera House advisory board into the landmarks commission. He explained
he believed it would make sense to fold the equal housing opportunity commission into
the rental housing committee. He stated the rental housing committee had generated a
lot of interest in the community and there was ongoing activity, while the equal housing
opportunity commission had not held a meeting in 15 years. He explained there had not
been much interest in removing Council liaisons. He stated there had been positive
response related to making the long range finance committee an ad-hoc committee, aside
from Council's response. He explained in terms of changing membership criteria for local
option committees by allowing non-resident participation, there had been moderate
support.
Council Member Herman asked what City staff would like from Council.
Mr. Rohloff recommended the Council liaison bring the information back to their
respective boards/commissions and gather input.
Council Member Herman stated it would be beneficial to know how many times each
group was not able to establish a quorum and when meetings were cancelled due to lack
of subject matter.
Mr. Rohloff stated that information had been part of the survey.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she believed it was a good idea for Council liaisons
to go back to their respective boards/commissions for further discussion. She explained
while there were some members who had served for long periods of time because they
enjoyed participating, there were others who served simply because they did not feel
there was anyone else willing to do so.
Mr. Rohloff explained he would direct City staff to put the topic on the various
board/commission agendas. He stated he believed Council should lead the discussions
as it was a policy issue. He requested Council provide him with feedback after the
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discussions, and they would then determine how to move forward. He stated what had
been done traditionally was that the group started large, and as terms ended, those
individuals were not replaced.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS TO COUNCIL
There were no citizen statements.
CO UNCIL MEMBER ANNO UNCEMENTS & STATEMENTS
There were no Council Member announcements or statements.
CITY MANAGER ANNO UNCEMENT AND STATEMENT
Mr. Rohloff stated the outstanding issue with the arena project was dealing with the
railroad. He explained he had reached out to Congressman Grothman's office as well as
Senator Johnson's office to request assistance. He stated the while the water main
component was not urgent, the storm sewer concern was. He explained that weather
permitting, most of the areas surrounding the arena would be complete; it was the area
near 141h Avenue that was delayed.
Mr. Rabe stated he had been informed that City staff felt confident that the public
infrastructure would be completed on time in the immediate vicinity of the arena.
Council Member Pech questioned what the response had been from the representatives
Mr. Rohloff had reached out to.
Mr. Rohloff explained the response had been positive and they wanted to help. He stated
he did not believe they could force the railroad into action, however, he believed they
would be able to have an influence.
Mr. Rabe stated he had a discussion with a representative from Congressman Grothman's
office and learned that they had met with the Canadian National staff in Washington to
address concerns.
Council Member Pech asked for an explanation of the news coverage on the issue.
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Mr. Rabe stated a reporter from a Green Bay news station had reached out to the City
Manager's office and had later visited City Hall to ask questions.
Council Member Herman explained at the Wisconsin League of Municipalities
conference there had been a break out session regarding railroads, and the session had
been full; numerous municipalities were having issues, specifically with Canadian
National Railroad. He stated it had been brought to his attention that the railroad did
not like when resolutions were drafted, as it pushed them towards action. He explained
he believed Council should draft a resolution asking the railroad to work with the public
works department to complete the project. He stated he believed flooding was the
primary concern.
Mr. Rohloff stated he would discuss preparing a resolution with City staff.
Council Member Pech questioned if the potential flooding could impact the railroad's
crossing.
Mr. Rabe stated yes; he explained although City staff had brought that to their attention,
the response from the railroad had not improved.
Mr. Rohloff stated the City had worked with Wisconsin and Southern Railroad for the
transload site and they had been cooperative. He explained the collection office had
historically opened at 7:30 a.m. to accommodate building inspections, however,
payments could now be made in the inspections office via credit card and the number of
individuals using the collections office between 7:30 a.m. and 8:00 a.m. was low. He
stated the collection office hours would be changed to 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.,which would
allow for better coverage during the day, beginning Monday, October 301H
MOTION: THE COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO CLOSED SESSION
PURSUANT TO SECTION 19.85(1)(E) OF THE WISCONSIN STATE
STATUTES TO DISCUSS BARGAINING OPTIONS, STRATEGY,
PARAMETERS AND TERMS RELATED TO THE NEGOTIATION
OF POSSIBLE AGREEMENT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF
LAKESHORE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE, WHERE
COMPETITIVE BARGAINING REASONS REQUIRED A CLOSED
SESSION (Herman; second, Pech).
CARRIED: (6) Panske, Krause, Pech, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Mayor
Cummings
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MOTION: ADJOURN (Allison-Aasby; second, Panske)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 7:39 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
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