HomeMy WebLinkAbout05. Common Council Minutes PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
SEPTEMBER 12, 2017
REGULAR MEETING held Tuesday, September 12, 2017, at 6:00 p.m. in Council
Chambers, City Hall
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Lori Palmeri, Deb Allison-Aasby, Steven Herman,
Caroline Panske, Jake Krause and Mayor Steve Cummings
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney; and Allen Davis, Director of Community Development
Council Member Tom Pech read the Invocation.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Cash Koeller from Merrill Elementary School and
Even Koeller from Merrill Middle School
PROCLAMATION
Mayor Cummings proclaimed Saturday, September 9, 2017 as the 301h anniversary of
Oshkosh Media in the City of Oshkosh and called upon the citizens to support and utilize
the valuable service that Oshkosh Media provided the community.
Mr. Rohloff accepted the proclamation and thanked the staff of Oshkosh Media for
providing the public with access to an open and transparent government. He thanked
Mayor Cummings and the Council for their continued support of Oshkosh Media.
Mayor Cummings explained they had changed the format of the Council meetings to
become more technologically advanced and explained this evening's meeting would be
the first official use of the new technology.
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CITIZEN STATEMENTS
Janey Robson, 815 Ceape Avenue, stated it had been brought to her attention that the City
had plans to sell the municipal golf course. She explained the City had little green space
and believed Oshkosh Corporation should seek a site that was already concrete. She
stated eliminating green space was detrimental to the environment and as indicated by
letters to the editor in the Northwestern community members were against the sale. She
recommended that Council not consider selling the golf course.
Linda Spiczenski Wilkens, W872 Leslie Lane, Green Lake, explained her homestead was
1711 Punhoqua Street and her family still resided there. She stated she was appalled that
the City would consider selling one of its public parks. She explained the previous
evening, at the park board meeting, the League of Women voters spoke against the sale
and indicated that Oshkosh had less than the desirable amount of green space. She stated
she would like Council and City staff to realize that Oshkosh needed the green space of
the golf course. She explained the public park belonged to nearly 68,000 people who
resided in Oshkosh. She recommended the City work on expanding the green space
within the community. She stated at the parks board meeting a number of people who
were not golfers had voiced their opinions in favor of keeping the golf course to preserve
the green space. She explained she believed the park had done a great deal for the
children of Oshkosh and there was significant history attributed to the golf course. She
stated although she appreciated Oshkosh Corporation as an employer, she valued the
green space more.
CONSENT AGENDA
Report of Bills by the Finance Director
Receipt of Claims filed with the City's Insurance Company:
A) Branden Cortez for alleged damages to vehicle from sanitation truck
B) Logan Lefeber for alleged damages due to a fall
Receipt & Filing of Common Council Minutes from July 14, August 8 & 22, 2017
Resolution 17-444 Approve Setting Public Hearing Date to Vacate Alley West of South
Main Street between 71h & 81h Avenue (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
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Resolution 17-445 Award Bid to Gartman Mechanical Services Inc. for HVAC
Improvements for Parks/Forestry Administration Building
($39,990.00)
Resolution 17-446 Award Bid to Monroe Truck Equipment for Service Body with Crane
for Sign Division ($65,187.00)
Resolution 17-447 Approve Purchase of Seven Buses from New Flyer of America, Inc.
for GO Transit ($3,250,000.00)
Resolution 17-448 Approve Change Order No. 1 for Public Works Contract No. 17-06
Concrete Sidewalk (New & Rehabilitation) ($82,939.65)
Council Member Herman stated change orders were occurring frequently and
questioned if they were for items such as City staff forgetting an item, extending the
project or AECOM overlooking an item. He questioned why details were not reviewed
in advance. He stated making a change order sometimes required the CIP to be reopened
and questioned why it was such a frequent occurrence.
James Rabe, Director of Public Works, stated there would always be unforeseen
circumstances throughout a project. He explained the change order for contract 16-01
was a final change order for final quantities that addressed the unexpected circumstances
that occurred during digging. He stated change orders for contracts 17-06 and 17-12 were
additional concrete repairs that had not originally been associated with the projects and
were being added in to address issues that were identified with additional streets. He
explained contract 17-06, pavement was in desperate need of repair near Oshkosh West
High School. He stated the addition to contract 17-12 was pavement that needed to be
repaired on Packer Avenue. He explained neither of the streets had been a part of the
original projects, however, the need for concrete repairs had been identified and the
projects had favorable bid prices that the contractors were willing to honor to complete
the additional work.
Council Member Herman stated he understood the poor soil quality in the area and the
length of time it had been since work had been complete in different areas. He explained
it seemed as though each street project had work added or there was a change order.
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Mr. Rabe stated the work that was added had not been part of the original project; it was
work that was required elsewhere in the City and City staff took advantage of the
favorable bid prices.
Resolution 17-449 Approve Change Order No. 1 for Public Works Contract No. 17-12
Miscellaneous Utility Improvements ($116,607.05)
Resolution 17-450 Approve Change Order No. 1 for Public Works Contract No. 16-01
Re-Bid North Main Street Area Wet Detention Basin ($25,276.14)
Resolution 17-451 Approve Initial Resolution for Special Assessments — Contract No.
17-31 Cold Mix Asphalt Paving: West Th Avenue (Oregon Street to
Minnesota Street) Bauman Street (Van Buren Avenue to Buchanan
Avenue) Minnesota Street (West 201h Avenue to West 23rd Avenue)
Resolution 17-452 Approve Initial Resolution for Special Assessments — Contract No.
17-32 Hot Mix Asphalt Paving: Hughes Street (1,900' southwest of
Oregon Street to West Waukau Avenue)
Resolution 17-453 Establish Voting Ward 38, District 10
Council Member Panske asked for an explanation of the new voting ward and where the
new polling place would be.
Ms. Ubrig stated due to a delayed attachment that had been approved by Council 5 years
ago, ward 38 was created for the two new voters who would vote at Carl Traeger.
Resolution 17-454 Approve Special Event - Boys & Girls Club of Oshkosh hold
Docktoberfest at Dockside Tavern & to utilize City Streets &
Riverwalk for their 2K Bier Run/ September 22 & 23, 2017
Council Member Palmeri stated it appeared there was a typo where it was requested that
amplified music be permitted until 11:00 a.m.
Kathy Snell, Special Events Coordinator, explained it was a typo and should state 11:00
p.m.
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Council Member Palmeri stated she believed the allowable time for amplified music was
already 11:00 p.m. on a Saturday night.
Ms. Snell indicated it was listed differently in the multiple sections of the noise ordinance.
She stated if the music was in a park, the cut off time was 10:00 p.m., while if it was part
of a beer garden, the cut off time was 11:00 p.m. She explained the event was not in a
beer garden, it would occur on Dockside Tavern's property, and therefor fell under the
10:00 p.m. ordinance.
Resolution 17-467 Approve Special Event - Red Rock Productions LLC / utilize
Sunnyview Exposition Center for their Bryan Adams Concert /
October 7, 2017
Rick Helms, 419 Sterling Avenue, stated he was present to answer questions about the
event.
Resolution 17-455 Approve Appointment to Rental Advisory Board
Resolution 17-456 Approve Class "B" Fermented Malt & Class "C" Wine License,
Special Class "B" Licenses & Operator Licenses
MOTION: ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
ACTION TAKEN ON ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
Ordinance 17-457 Modify Parking Regulations on South Park Avenue
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Krause)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
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Ordinance 17-458 Approve Zone Change from SMU Suburban Mixed Use District to
SMU-PD Suburban Mixed Use District with Planned Development
Overlay; 1126 S. Koeller Street (Plan Commission Recommends
Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Palmeri asked for an explanation of the proposed change to suburban
mixed use.
Darryn Burich, Planning Services Manager, stated the property was already zoned
suburban mixed use. they were adding a planned development overlay to deal with
center signage. He explained the parcel where Pot Belly's would be located was being
broken apart and the sign was temporarily remaining which required the zoning change.
Ordinance 17-459 Approve Zone Change from I Institutional District to SMU-PD
Suburban Mixed Use District with Planned Development Overlay
for Property Located at 1860 Wisconsin Street (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Palmeri stated it appeared there was a typo in one of the references
where it said 'industrial' instead of'institutional'.
Ms. Lorenson stated in the ordinance the City Clerk had the ability to correct typos,
therefore an amendment was not required.
Ordinance 17-460 Approve Section 16-49(E) Pertaining to Residential Rental
Inspections to Permit Delinquent Fees to be Placed Upon Property
Tax Bills as Special Charges
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
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Resolution 17-461 Grant Noise Variance Request/Kelly's Bar/215 Wisconsin Street for
Amplified Music until Midnight at Beer Garden September 15 & 16,
2017
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech, Mayor
Cummings
Noes (1) Palmeri
Corey Gay, 5521 Springbrook Road, Omro, stated he owned Kelly's Bar and it had been
a long time tradition for the bar to hold beer gardens. He explained in the past they had
been granted the waiver and believed the event was important as it allowed new students
an introduction to his bar. He explained the student demographic tended to socialize
later in the evening and prior events where bands had been hosted in the afternoon had
failed.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if Mr. Gay was aware that the letter he provided
was dated April of 2015 and was for the May graduation. She explained the letters had
not been changed and there was no hardship shown.
Mr. Gay stated since they had been doing the event he had utilized the same letter and
changed the dates. He explained he had been in a hurry to get the paperwork turned in
and had missed the date on the top.
Council Member Herman stated he appreciated that Mr. Gay faced the stage towards the
west which would amplify the music over the university and the river instead of the
residential areas.
Council Member Palmeri stated she could appreciate celebrations although she remained
puzzled as to what the actual hardship would be if the variance was not granted.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if she was asking the applicant for the
information.
Council Member Palmeri explained she was stating she would not support the variance
as there was no evidence of a hardship.
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Council Member Pech stated he believed Mr. Gay had addressed the concern, stating they
had tried music in the afternoon and it was not a feasible solution. He explained he
understood that the applicant wished to extend the music until midnight to better serve
his business.
Council Member Krause stated he understood that Mr. Gay was losing money in the first
hour and would like to extend it an extra hour to compensate for that. He explained the
bar was located in a college area.
Council Member Palmeri stated she lived five blocks from the bar and heard every event.
She explained she received a number of noise complaints and believed the hardship was
on the surrounding neighborhoods.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if City staff was aware if there had been
complaints related to other events that extended later into the evening.
Council Member Herman questioned if there would be any issues anticipated with the
extension of the event an hour past the time allotted in the ordinance.
Dean Smith, Chief of Police, stated his third shift staff had indicated that on occasion they
had received noise complaints and the establishments had largely been cooperative in
response.
Resolution 17-462 Support Review of Phosphorous Water Quality Standards
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Pech asked for an explanation of the resolution.
Mr. Rohloff stated the Wisconsin League of Municipalities had been asking cities to step
forward on the phosphorous issue. He explained the City had been working with the
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources (WDNR) and the Environmental Protection
Agency(EPA) in terms of compliance and had worked through the City Attorney's office
to arrive at a settlement. He stated City staff believed they needed to be more specific to
the situation in Oshkosh and the League recognized that the City had already reached a
settlement with the WDNR.
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Council Member Pech stated it was his understanding that the City had met the
requirement, however, due to its location at the end of the water system, phosphorous
entered Lake Winnebago.
Ms. Lorenson stated the City discharged into the Fox River approximately a mile up from
Lake Winnebago, however, the WDNR had applied the more restrictive criteria to the
City.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if there had been education provided in the past as
to how residents could minimize phosphorus through restrictive use of things such as
lawn fertilizer and soaps.
James Rabe, Director of Public Works, indicated there was a state-wide ban on
phosphorous in lawn fertilizer and soaps should be discharged into the wastewater,
which would allow that water to get treated at the wastewater treatment plant. He stated
storm water utility did work on education and there was certainly other ways that
phosphorous could get into the water. He explained annually, storm water utility put an
informational ad in the Northwestern and engineering received complaints from
individuals who witnessed grass clippings being blown into the street which was
followed up on with education.
Ms. Lorenson stated the City had completed process improvements at the wastewater
treatment plant related to how phosphorus left the plant. She explained in order to meet
the new, more restrictive requirements there would need to be significant construction to
the plant, at a significant cost to the City. She stated it was not a case where the City did
not wish to address phosphorous; it was a matter of what was reasonable.
Council Member Palmeri stated she understood there had been a request by the City for
additional time to deal with the concerns.
Ms. Lorenson stated that was correct.
Resolution 17-463 Approve Specific Implementation Plan for Potbelly Restaurant; 1126
South Koeller Street
MOTION: ADOPT (Allison-Aasby; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
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Resolution 17-464 Approve Specific Implementation Plan Amendment for a Planned
Development Amendment for a Drive-Through Expansion; 1863
Jackson Street
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Steve Kilian, 4713 S. Shore Avenue, Slinger, stated he was present from McDonald's and
was willing to answer questions.
Council Member Pech stated he understood that McDonald's had purchased a small
piece of property from the church and was in the process of expanding their drive-
through facility. He explained he expected that McDonald's and the church had reached
an agreement and there were no issues.
Mr. Kilian stated that was correct;both parties were satisfied with the agreement and this
was the last step in the process.
Resolution 17-465 Award Bid to Vinton Construction Co., Inc. for Contract No. 17-21
Railroad Trans Load Site Relocation ($1,762,251.09)
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Brad Peot, 4637 Elgar Lane, Madison, Watco Companies, thanked City staff and Council
for working together on the project. He stated it had been a long time nuisance in the
community related to the vehicle loading for Oshkosh Corporation completed by the
railroad. He explained they had been working on the concern for over two and a half
years and they were excited to have arrived at a solution. He stated the expanded
terminal facility would help industries within the region with bulk transloading and they
were excited for the growth the facility would enable.
Jason Murphree, 1179 McMahon Drive, Sun Prairie,Watco Companies, stated he believed
the project would create jobs and was the start of bringing a side of the rail industry into
Oshkosh that had previously not been seen. He explained they were grateful for the
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partnership they had with the City; in the railroad industry it was rare to form a
partnership with a City that identified the value in the infrastructure and saw it as a tool
for economic growth. He thanked Council and stated they were looking forward to
getting started.
Council Member Herman questioned if there was a timeline for the project.
Mr. Davis stated the construction was scheduled to begin in fall and would likely finish
in spring with the restoration. He explained the relocation of the ramp and catwalk was
part of the project.
Council Member Herman questioned if part of the project was removing some of the
existing structures.
Mr. Davis stated they would be relocated.
Mr. Rohloff explained the rail itself would not be relocated as there would still be back
up from Bemis although there would no longer be loading at the site.
Council Member Herman stated it was an exciting project and had the potential to create
additional opportunities.
Res 17-466 Approve Combination "Class B" License for Oshkosh Arena
MOTION: LAYOVER TO SEPTEMBER 26, 2017 COUNCIL MEETING (Pech;
second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
Mr. Rohloff stated City staff recommended Council lay the resolution over as there was
an item missing on the application.
Council Member Pech questioned how long it would need to be laid over.
Mr. Rohloff explained until the following Council meeting as the item was required in
the application and it was missing.
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COUNCIL DISCUSSION, DIRECTION TO CITY MANAGER &FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
Mayor Cummings reminded Council of the budget workshop scheduled for September
201h at 5:00 p.m.
Mr. Rohloff explained the focus would be on capital improvements and debt service.
Mayor Cummings stated he would be unable to attend.
Council Member Herman stated he would also be unable to attend.
Council Member Allison-Aasby explained she would not be able to attend the October
101h Council meeting.
Mr. Rohloff stated the City had three liquor licenses available; one was allocated to the
arena. He explained in the past, the process for liquor license allocations was that
applicants would make a presentation to Council who would then vote. He stated they
typically had not received detailed information from the applicants aside from the
information that was required by the state. He explained City staff would like to prepare
a supplemental application to provide additional information such as anticipated sales,
fiscal impact and number of employees. He stated in the past, Council would hear the
presentations and immediately vote, which did not allow time to absorb the information.
He recommended that Council hear the presentations at the beginning of a Council
meeting and wait until the following Council meeting to vote. He stated there were two
available liquor licenses, not counting the one allocated to the arena. He explained City
staff was working to get the Sawdust District designated as an economic development
district which would result in two additional liquor licenses. He stated he was not certain
if two liquor licenses would be sufficient for the Sawdust District, therefore Council
would need to consider if additional liquor licenses should be reserved. He questioned
if the economic development district had been applied for.
Mr. Davis explained the City would need to go through a process to create the district by
creating resolutions and appraisals and once that was complete they would submit it to
the state.
Mr. Rohloff explained he believed it would appropriate for Council to provide City staff
direction at the following Council meeting. He stated Council was under no obligation
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to reserve liquor licenses. He explained City staff would provide the information to
Council in a memo ahead of the Council meeting.
Council Member Palmeri stated on the current liquor license application, there was a
question related to if music that was played at the establishment would be kept at a level
that was acceptable to the neighborhood. She questioned if on the supplemental
application, if more details would be gathered such as how it would be determined if the
music level was acceptable to the neighborhood. She stated oftentimes applicants
answered that the music would be at an acceptable level,however, she still received noise
complaints from the community. She questioned how many liquor licenses would need
to be added if the City created the economic development district.
Mr. Rohloff stated the economic development district would provide two additional
liquor licenses that would need to remain within the district. He explained the question
became if the two licenses within the district were enough to support the anticipated level
of activity within the district. He stated communities that created similar districts
anticipated creating some type of entertainment district that included guidelines for size
limits and venue minimums. He explained if Council believed two licenses were enough
for the Sawdust District, then there would be two available liquor licenses for elsewhere
in the City.
Council Member Herman questioned if the liquor license reserved for the Marion Road
development could be moved because it was not in an economic development district.
Mr. Rohloff stated the Council had that ability.
Council Member Herman stated he did not believe the City should advertise two open
liquor licenses until it was determined if two licenses were enough for the Sawdust
District. He explained he had not been able to attend Imagine Oshkosh so he was not
certain of any plans that were discussed, however, he believed it was in the City's best
interest to wait until there was more information to be able to bring in quality
establishments that would be attractive and a good fit for the area. He agreed that some
of the questions on the application were open ended and should be more specific on the
supplemental application.
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Ms. Ubrig stated the supplemental application that would be created would include
additional questions on the business while the applications that Council was familiar
with were for businesses that were already open.
Mr. Rohloff stated City staff would be able to add any additional questions Council
would like to the supplemental application. He encouraged Council to reach out with
any suggestions prior to providing direction to City staff.
Council Member Panske stated she agreed that they should wait until it was determined
if the state would approve the economic development district and grant the two
additional licenses. She questioned if the City would be able to apply for additional
licenses for the district after a period of time.
Mr. Rohloff indicated it was limited to two additional licenses.
Mr. Davis stated they did have the ability to create an additional district if it would meet
all of the state's requirements.
Mr. Rohloff questioned what the minimum new value would have to be.
Mr. Davis stated $20 million.
Council Member Panske stated oftentimes businesses developed at rapid pace. She
questioned if a business could request that Council grant the liquor license at the same
meeting that they presented at.
Mr. Rohloff stated it was his suggestion to separate the presentation and voting into two
Council meetings; Council had the discretion to waive that at any time. He explained
separating the two would likely occur if there was a competitive situation; if there was
only one applicant the decision could be made during the same meeting.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if there was still a liquor license attached to
the former Pioneer property.
Mr. Rohloff stated there was not. He explained there were certain exemptions within the
law that may permit a future hotel with a certain dining capacity to obtain an exempt
license if the City had allocated their existing liquor licenses.
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Council Member Palmeri questioned if the dining capacity had to exceed 300.
Mr. Rohloff stated yes and as long as it met the requirements the Pioneer should be able
to obtain a liquor license. He explained they had discussions with a potential buyer for
the Pioneer and their development plans would meet the requirements as long as the
remainder of the City's licenses were allocated appropriately. He stated a license had
come back to the City as Fox River Brewing Company had been able to obtain a state
brewery license. He explained City staff continuously looked for ways to maximize the
liquor licenses as they were limited and restrictive in how they were able to be used.
Council Member Herman questioned if the supplemental application would be used
solely for new applicants or would it be included within the license renewals.
Ms. Ubrig stated at this point the supplemental application would be used for new
applicants. She questioned if Council Member Herman was asking if a form would be
completed with each annual renewal.
Council Member Herman stated perhaps not every year, only if there were significant
changes to their establishment. He questioned if a new owner purchased the former
Robbins, if they would be required to complete the supplemental application.
Ms. Ubrig stated they would complete the supplemental application as a new applicant.
Council Member Herman explained there were other locations that came to mind that
had changed their business, such as the Beachcomber. He stated it may be beneficial to
have the supplemental information on file when they renewed their application.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if other breweries may qualify for a state license.
Mr. Rohloff explained he was not certain.
Ms. Ubrig stated if a business was interested in pursuing a state brewery license they
should contact the Clerk's office to discuss if there was potential for the license to be
surrendered to the City.
Mr. Rohloff stated there was a number of questions and passion within the community
related to Lakeshore Municipal Golf Course. He explained it was understood that
Oshkosh Corporation was looking nationwide for a location, and although there had
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been several proposed in the City, they likely would not meet the requirements a
company of that magnitude would have. He stated City staff had evaluated sites based
on size, access and visibility and became aware that they may be contacted by a site
selector. He explained they had completed delineation of the golf course in the event that
they would receive an inquiry and they did not. He stated he felt it was necessary to
reach out to Oshkosh Corporation to let them know that the City wanted them to retain
their headquarters in the community and it had been his suggestion, not Council's, that
they consider Lakeshore Municipal Golf Course. He explained as a result of that
communication, the City had received a letter from Oshkosh Corporation requesting
access to the site to complete soil testing. He stated he had shared the information with
Council and signed the access agreement after City staff reviewed the document. He
explained it was his understanding the testing would take place in the near future and
would determine if the site met the requirements from a geo-technical standpoint to be a
candidate for site selection. He stated with site selection occurring on a national level, it
would be an extremely competitive situation. He explained while many sites in the City
may meet basic criteria such as size, there was much more to it. He stated Oshkosh
Corporation would like to recruit and retain talent, and to do so, believed they need an
appropriate site. He explained he believed there was misinformation within the
community and concern due to the passion people felt for the golf course. He stated the
site would not be used for a factory or storage of vehicles;it would be a corporate campus
headquarters. He explained it may result in the City being able to add recreational
amenities that do not exist or exist only in a small area such as river walk continuation.
He stated he believed public input would be appropriate. He explained he had heard
rumor that the City was selling the golf course to cover debt, which was not correct. He
stated in situations where a resource was sold, the proceeds were used to replace the
resource with other options for public recreation. He explained replacing the resource
with diverse options for recreation would add value to the community. He stated City
staff was not able to have a closed session with Council to discuss the topic as there were
not enough specifics yet to share. He explained he had directed City staff to put together
some items for Council and the community to consider such as what other amenities
could be at the site if it was not a golf course. He stated some individuals may view it as
a reduction, however, he believed there may be an opportunity to enhance the array of
amenities that were available to the community. He explained he was willing to answer
questions although he could not speak on behalf of Oshkosh Corporation as he did not
have all the information.
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Council Member Pech questioned if the site selector was likely considering locations
nationally.
Mr. Rohloff stated that was likely.
Council Member Pech stated he understood that several of Oshkosh Corporation's
competitors were located in the Washington D.C. area. He stated he had read an article
that cited the number of jobs the site held.
Mr. Rohloff stated City staff had estimated that there were 450 existing jobs with the
potential for an additional 200.
Council Member Pech stated they were professional jobs, such as engineers, accountants
and marketing executives that were high paying and family sustaining.
Mr. Rohloff stated they had asked Oshkosh Corporation for that detail and he assumed
it would be similar to the information that Bemis had supplied that included average
wages. He explained the number of high paying jobs would have a significant economic
impact to the community.
Council Member Pech stated while the golf course had been around for 100 years, so had
Oshkosh Corporation, and they had an impact on the community as well. He stated it
was his understanding that there had not been an offer made yet.
Mr. Rohloff stated that was correct and was why he was unable to hold a closed session
with Council as there was no information to provide.
Council Member Pech stated everything out in the public at this point was speculation.
Mr. Rohloff stated he believed after the soil borings were complete, Oshkosh Corporation
would let the City know if they were in consideration for a potential site.
Council Member Herman stated Mr. Rohloff had been on the radio earlier that day,
discussing how the parks belong to the citizens although the issue would not be able to
go to referendum. He requested that Mr. Rohloff explain to the public why the decision
was up to Council.
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Mr. Rohloff stated the question had been does the potential sale of the course have to go
to referendum, or would the public be able to force it to go to referendum, and his answer
had been no.
Ms. Lorenson stated there was not a provision that would require the potential sale to go
to referendum. She explained the referendum would not be timely enough to impact the
decision unless Council decided to order a special election.
Council Member Herman questioned how the number of signatures required on a
petition was calculated.
Ms. Ubrig indicated it was a percentage of the number of voters from the last presidential
election. She explained the petitioners had 60 days to collect the signatures, she would
then have a timeframe to review it, and the petitioners would have a timeframe to make
any necessary corrections.
Council Member Herman explained he had been contacted by a number of individuals
and expected other Council Members and City staff had as well. He stated he wanted to
share that information with the public as there had been a number of questions he was
unable to answer.
Mayor Cummings stated he believed a major issue that was not receiving as much
coverage as it should was jobs. He explained there was currently 450 jobs at the
headquarters with more to come in the future. He stated retaining the headquarters
would help secure the financial stability of Oshkosh and believed they should focus on
the overall financial benefits to the community.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS TO COUNCIL
There were no citizen statements to Council.
CO UNCIL MEMBER ANNO UNCEMENTS & STATEMENTS
Mayor Cummings explained Monster Bash was hosted by the Oshkosh Zoological
Society and was scheduled for Saturday, October 21s' from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. at the
Menominee Park Zoo. He stated the proceeds would hire and train education
coordinators for the zoo.
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CITY MANAGER ANNO UNCEMENT AND STATEMENT
Mr. Rohloff stated Trena Larson, Director of Finance, had included a letter expressing the
desire of City staff to extend the contract with Schenck to complete the annual audit. He
explained with the transition to the new accounting software, City staff felt it was
beneficial to maintain Schenck. He stated the contract with AECOM was to complete a
pavement condition survey due to present staff levels in the Engineering department. He
explained while the county had completed the survey in the past, they did not have the
staff to complete it this year either. He stated there was not much to report regarding the
arena, the project continued on schedule.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if it was necessary to complete a complete pavement
condition survey as the City did so few improvements.
James Rabe, Director of Public Works, stated the Wisconsin Department of
Transportation (WDOT) required the City to do a complete analysis every two years.
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Mayor Cummings stated completing Bayshore Drive, Eveline Street and others within
one season was not an insignificant improvement.
MOTION: THE COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO CLOSED SESSION
PURSUANT TO SECTION 19.85(1)(E) OF THE WISCONSIN STATE
STATUTES TO DISCUSS BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WITH
LOCAL NO. 316, I.A.F.F. OSHKOSH FIRE DEPARTMENT,
OSHKOSH FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF OFFICERS, OSHKOSH
PROFESSIONAL POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, OSHKOSH
POLICE SUPERVISORS ASSOCIATION AND AFSCME 796
(TRANSIT) WHERE COMPETITIVE BARGAINING REASONS
REQUIRED A CLOSED SESSION AND PURSUANT TO SECTION
19.85(1)(C) OF THE WISCONSIN STATE STATUTES TO DISCUSS
THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION AND COMPENSATION
REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER AN EMPLOYEE OVER
WHICH THE COMMON COUNCIL HAS JURISDICTION AND
EXERCISES RESPONSIBILITY (Herman; second, Pech).
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Palmeri, Allison-Aasby, Herman, Panske, Krause, Pech,
Mayor Cummings
MOTION: ADJOURN (Allison-Aasby; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 7:27 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
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