HomeMy WebLinkAbout04. Common Council Minutes PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
CITY OF OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN
MARCH 14, 2017
REGULAR MEETING held Tuesday, March 14, 2017, at 6:00 p.m. in Council Chambers,
City Hall
Mayor Cummings presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Steven Herman, Deb Allison-Aasby, Caroline Panske,
Benjamin Stepanek, Tom Pech Jr., Lori Palmeri and Mayor Steve Cummings
ALSO PRESENT: Mark Rohloff, City Manager; Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk; Lynn
Lorenson, City Attorney; and Trena Larson, Director of Finance
Council Member Herman read the Invocation.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Angelia Vu and Sequoia Eckstein from Oakwood
Elementary School.
INTRODUCTION OF CITY STAFF
Darryn Burich, Planning Services Manager, introduced Steven Wiley, Assistant Planner.
He explained he was a recent graduate of University of Wisconsin Milwaukee and held
a double masters in architecture and planning and had worked as a planning intern in
the Milwaukee area. He stated he was excited to bring an individual on board with a
background in architectural planning. He explained he would assist with the City's
housing program, landmarks and urban design.
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PUBLIC HEARING
Resolution 17-93 Approve Final Resolution for Special Assessments Paving, Sidewalk,
Driveway&Utilities/Second Local Street Concrete Paving Program
North & West Sides — Contract No. 17-05
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Palmeri)
MOTION: AMEND RESOLUTION TO CHANGE 1444 MARICOPA DRIVE
STORM SEWER LATERAL TO $750.00 (LISTED AS$2,100)
(Pech; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
VOTE ON AMENDED RESOLUTION
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Krystal Yager, 1444 Maricopa Drive, stated she and her husband were first time
homeowners and had purchased their home in January. She explained shortly after
purchasing the home they became aware that their street was part of the Capital
Improvement Program (CIP).
Justin Yager, 1444 Maricopa Drive, stated through research they discovered that the
initial notices for the program had been mailed in October 2016 and January 2017, prior
to the purchase of their home. He explained they did not have any knowledge of the
anticipated street work prior to their purchase;he stated had they been aware they would
have not purchased the home. He stated they would not have been able to secure an
additional$15,000 in financing to cover their estimated portion of the cost. He explained
according to their research their property was the only single family home affected by the
CIP for Maricopa Drive. He stated because the remainder of the properties were
multifamily or apartments the landlords would be able to recoup a portion of the costs
by increasing their tenants rent. He explained if the proposal passed they would be
forced to select the 15 year repayment plan at a 6 percent interest rate. He stated they
were concerned for their personal income and resale potential for their home. He
explained they did not understand how $15,000 in special assessments would increase
their home's value. He stated they were requesting 1444 be exempt from the CIP. He
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explained if Council would not exempt their property they would request they assist in
securing a grant to help with the cost.
Mayor Cummings stated he and Council Member Allison-Aasby were realtors. He
questioned if they had been notified by the seller or the seller's agent of the anticipated
special assessments.
Mr. and Ms. Yager stated no.
Council Member Allison-Aasby recommended they contact herself or Mayor Cummings
after the meeting.
Ms. Yager stated they had been surprised to learn of the special assessment and had not
received any of the notices prior to the most recent one.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated if they did not wish to stay for the duration of the
Council meeting they could provide someone with their phone number and she would
reach out to them.
Mr. Rohloff stated there was an error on the calculation of the special assessment for 1444
Maricopa Drive and the amount needed to be reduced. He stated Steve Gohde, Assistant
Director of Public Works, had talked with the homeowners earlier and would remain in
contact with them. He explained he recommended Council officially reduce the storm
sewer lateral from $2100 to $750 for 1444 Maricopa Drive.
Mayor Cummings stated the reduction did not negate the fact that they were not
provided the proper information at the time of purchase.
Council Member Pech questioned if it was required for buyers to be informed.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated it was required by law.
Council Member Pech requested Mr. and Ms. Yager to provide their contact information
to Council to allow them to follow up.
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CITIZEN STATEMENTS
Sossina Chirhart, student at UW Oshkosh, stated the second annual UWO free school
would take place April 1, 2017 from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. She explained Council would
be allocated a 50 minute time slot to engage in communication with citizens. She stated
other workshops included yoga, sustainable living, gardening and community focused
events. She provided Council with a flyer promoting the event.
CONSENT AGENDA
Report of Sills by the Finance Director
Receipt & Filing of Museum Minutes from February 2, 2017
Receipt of Claims filed with the City's Insurance Company:
A) Chelsea Weber for alleged damages to her vehicle from a snow plow
Resolution 17-94 Approve Amending Assessor Fees for New Construction to
Establish a Maximum Fee
Resolution 17-95 Approve Option to Purchase from Dynamic Drinkware LLC
for Vacant Lot on South Side of Badger Avenue, Southwest
Industrial Park
Resolution 17-96 Approve Option to Purchase from Dynamic Drinkware LLC for a
Land Locked Vacant Lot off Badger Avenue, Southwest Industrial
Park
Resolution 17-97 Award Bid to Swiderski Equipment Inc. for Multi-Purpose
Municipal Tractor for the Streets Division ($198,494.00)
Resolution 17-98 Approve Engineering Services Agreement with ADS Environmental
Services for Sanitary Sewer System Flow Monitoring Services
($76,000.00)
Resolution 17-99 Grant Noise Variance Request for the Construction of the Arena &
Related Improvements on the Former Buckstaff Property
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A representative from Bayland Builders, 1825 Pershing Road, New London, stated he
worked for Bayland Builders, who was contracted to build the arena. He explained his
company requested a noise variance for an additional hour each day until December Stn,
2017. He stated the project area was mainly industrial and the additional hour should
have a minimal impact. He explained it would help the company maintain the timeline
and complete the work efficiently.
Resolution 17-100 Cancel Outstanding Checks; Write-off Delinquent & Uncollectible
Accounts
Mayor Cummings asked for an explanation of the procedure.
Trena Larson, Director of Finance, stated it was an annual review of outstanding checks,
accounts receivable and bankruptcy notifications. She explained the write-offs that
proceed from the review did not relinquish responsibility by the debtors and City staff
would pursue collections. She stated it was a bookkeeping function to maintain current
receivables on the books.
Council Member Pech questioned if City staff had made efforts to make contact with the
individuals who had been issued the outstanding checks.
Ms. Larson stated all parties who had been issued a check of $100 or greater were sent a
letter from the City collections department. She explained if such a check was presented
for payment it would be honored by the City.
Resolution 17-101 Approve Rules for Council, Boards & Commissions
Resolution 17-102 Approve Special Event—Oshkosh Rotary Club to utilize Menominee
Park & City Streets for Wisconsin's Best Ribfest & Run / September
Is,- 41h 1 2017
Council Member Palmeri questioned why the event organizer had request a noise
variance to extend the time of the event until 11:00 p.m.
Kathy Snell, Special Events Coordinator, stated they requested the event be extended to
allow their bands to play until 11:00 p.m.
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Council Member Palmeri questioned if the ordinance required a hardship to be shown to
explain why the event would not be able to meet the normal end time.
Ms. Snell stated she was not sure.
Ms. Lorenson stated the noise variance for the event was different from the variance
requested by Bayland Buildings as the event would take place in the park and was
therefore covered under the park's guidelines. She explained the event organizers were
asking for the park's closing time to be extended by an hour.
Council Member Palmeri questioned in relation to fees if an event organizer would be
able to provide their own cones and signage to reduce their cost.
Ms. Snell stated they would be able to provide cones. She explained 'no parking' signs
could be provided by the event organizer, however, the police department would be
required to install them. She stated it would prevent any confusion in the event an
individual received a parking ticket.
Council Member Palmeri questioned why there was not a charge listed for the use of the
space for the event.
Ms. Snell stated they did not charge for the use of the space the event was occupying. She
explained if they utilized shelters or shelters were not able to be rented due to the event
they would be charged a rental fee for the park shelter through the parks department and
was not listed on the estimate as it was not an extraordinary service charge.
Resolution 17-103 Approve Appointment to the Sustainability Advisory Board
Resolution 17-104 Disallowance of Claim by Julie Mayer
Resolution 17-105 Approve Class "A" Fermented Malt License, Special Class "B"
Licenses & Operator Licenses
MOTION: ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA (Panske; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
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ACTION TAKEN ON ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
Ordinance 17-106 Repeal & Recreate Chapter 26 Trees & Vegetation of the City of
Oshkosh Municipal Code (Advisory Parks Board Recommends
Approval)
Sill Sturm, Landscape Operations Manager, stated the previous version of the ordinance
had been focused on Dutch elm disease. He explained the proposed ordinance would
cover other potential disease and insect issues that may occur in the future such as
emerald ash bore which was present in the City. He stated City staff had clarified items
such as hazard trees located on public property that would have the potential to fail and
fall in the public right of way. He explained the clarified language would make the
ordinance easier to enforce especially in relation to issues that may impact the safety of
the general public. He stated nursery stock and arboricultural standards had been
updated to ensure work completed on public trees met the applicable specifications to
comply with the International Society of Arboriculture.
Mayor Cummings questioned how the ordinance would impact trees on private property
that were in danger of coming down.
Mr. Sturm stated the ordinance would allow City staff to address any tree that would,
upon falling, impact the public right of way. He explained while it was difficult to
address trees on private property the ordinance would allow for City staff to assess a tree
suspected of having emerald ash bore to prevent the disease from spreading into the
community. He stated City staff would notify the property owner to take appropriate
measures to either control the insect or remove the tree as needed.
Council Member Palmeri stated a number of residents had expressed concern about
mature trees that had been planted in or close to the right away that may need to be
removed to accommodate street or sidewalk repairs. She questioned if citizens planting
trees on private property should meet with the City forester to determine if the location
may cause issues in the future.
Mr. Sturm stated there were no rules regarding placement of trees on private property,
however, City staff would be willing to answer questions and make recommendations.
He explained questions often came up regarding planting large shade trees in the vicinity
of overhead utilities;he stated City staff would advise the property owner to use a smaller
growing tree or provide adequate setback from the utilities to prevent Wisconsin Public
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Service from having to do routine pruning through the tree's life and disfiguring it. He
stated City staff worked with Wisconsin Public Service on installation of trees that would
not encroach into utilities to maintain healthy trees and prevent them from having to be
placed on a maintenance schedule.
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Ordinance 17-107 Approve Rezoning 900 North Koeller Street from SMUSuburban
Mixed Use District to SMU-PD Suburban Mixed Use District with
Planned Development Overlay (Plan Commission Recommends
Approval
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Peter Ogorek, Perspective Design, stated he was the architect working on the project with
General Capital Group and was present to answer any questions.
Mayor Cummings stated the property had been the former K-Mart and Sears.
Mr. Ogorek stated that was correct.
Council Member Herman asked for an explanation of the timeline of the project.
Mr. Ogorek stated if the re-zoning would be approved they would work with the plan
commission to begin the implementation stage. He explained the existing building
would need to be converted into the climate controlled self-storage building. He stated
the property had a number of challenges therefore the developer would like to begin as
soon as possible to address them.
Council Member Herman stated the project would improve a blighted property in the
City.
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Ordinance 17-108 Approve Rezoning 1218 & 1226 Witzel Avenue from UMU Urban
Mixed Use District & SR-5 Single Family Residential 5 District to
UMU PD Urban Mixed Use District with Planned Development
Overlay (Plan Commission Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Herman questioned if the change would only effect the two properties.
Darryn Burich, Planning Services Manager, stated that was correct.
Council Member Herman questioned what the impact to the neighbors would be.
Mr. Burich stated the existing dental office was acquiring the property to the west and in
order to expand their parking operations the zoning would need to be changed. He
explained City staff had addressed potential issues including drainage and
recommended the plan to continue.
Council Member Panske asked for an explanation of the timeline of the project. She
explained the project was near schools and may have an impact on school traffic.
Mr. Burich stated he understood they wanted to complete the project this year although
he was not certain of the exact timeframe. He explained City staff was not concerned as
it was not a large project.
Council Member Panske questioned if there would be much disturbance.
Mr. Burich stated it would not. He explained the owners would take down the house
and convert the space into a parking lot.
Council Member Palmeri stated she believed there had been discussion at the plan
commission meeting regarding a possible buffer between the residential property and
the business. She questioned if the plans would include such a buffer.
Mr. Burich stated yes. He explained the new zoning ordinance required a fence and
landscaping on either side for this type of property.
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Mayor Cummings stated the office was west of the Taco Johns on the corner of Witzel
Avenue and Sawyer Street.
Ordinance 17-109 Amend Section 8-1.1(B)Hotel&Motel Room Tax to Clarify Ordinance
Pertaining to Convention Center Debt
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Pech asked for an explanation of the ordinance.
Trena Larson,Director of Finance,explained the proposed amendment was a clarification
in the funding allocations which were previously established. She stated the hotel and
motel room tax receipt distributions were re-ordered. She explained the 8% plus the 2%
tax rate would remain intact. She stated there would be no financial impact resulting
from the proposed amendment.
Council Member Herman questioned if as long as debt remained on the convention
center, the room tax would be able to be applied to that debt.
Ms. Larson stated that was correct. She explained in Oshkosh there was an 8% room tax
and state statutes allowed the City to add an additional 2% tax to cover the convention
center debt. She explained the application would allow the funds to be applied directly
to the debt in lieu of general obligation funds.
Council Member Pech stated the tax would generally be paid for by individuals coming
to visit the City as it was a hotel/motel room tax.
Ms. Larson stated that was correct.
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Ordinance 17-110 Amend Section 16-4(C) Definitions of Fair Housing Ordinance to
Include Ancestry as Protected Class (Staff Requests Waiving of
Second Reading)
MOTION: SUSPEND RULES (Pech; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Stepanek)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Ms. Lorenson explained the amendment would add ancestry, which was the state
definition, as it already covered national origin, which was the federal definition. She
stated when the ordinance was reviewed by the state they requested the City add
ancestry in addition to the federal definition.
Council Member Stepanek stated it was an item that was inadvertently missed and the
City was now adding it.
Ms. Lorenson stated she would not say that it was inadvertently missed; she explained
the concept had been included it was a matter or including the state verbiage in addition
to the federal verbiage.
Ordinance 17-111 Create Section 17-33(V) of the City of Oshkosh Municipal Code
Pertaining to Downspouts, Sump Pumps & Other Concentrated
Discharges; Repeal & Recreate Section 20-8(C)(3) of the City of
Oshkosh Municipal Code Pertaining to Mandatory Connections to the
Public Storm Sewer System & Create Section 20-13 of the City of
Oshkosh Municipal Code Pertaining to Lead Service Line
Replacement
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
Council Member Herman stated he wanted citizens to be aware that the first part of the
ordinance was in reference to a sump pump hose leading outside a residence. He
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explained if the hose went to the street or sidewalk it would no longer be allowed. He
stated it would have an impact on a number of homes within the City.
Council Member Panske questioned how residents would be notified of the change.
Mr. Rabe stated there would be an insert included in the utility bills. He explained public
works and inspections received reports of ice in the winter and algae growth in the
summer creating hazardous conditions on the street. He stated between the two offices
they would be sharing the information with callers as well.
Council Member Panske questioned if individuals would no longer be allowed to put out
ice melt to address the issue and would be required to move the sump pump hose.
Mr. Rabe stated that was correct. He explained putting the ice melt out was a short term
solution because the next time the sump pump kicked on it would wash away the ice
melt and refreeze.
Council Member Panske stated the ice melt had been a solution in the past.
Mr. Rabe stated although it had been tried it was not a successful solution. He explained
it had resulted in a number of phone calls to public works for ice complains on the
sidewalks and on a number of occasions contractors had to remove the ice because the
owner's had not.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if there would be an alternative to a complete
replacement for a lateral with lead pipe such as an internal sleeve and if so would the
language of the ordinance need to be revised.
Mr. Rabe stated there may be technologies that would function as an alternative to a
complete replacement however the existing laterals were undersized and may not be able
to accommodate being lined with additional materials. He explained he would need to
do additional research to determine what the cost of an alternative to a complete
replacement would be.
Council Member Palmeri stated she was referencing the 'no-dig' option that would save
in labor costs.
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Mr. Rabe stated there was no completely 'no dig' option available. He explained there
were options that were 'minimal dig' in which a contractor would pull an insert through
the lead lateral which had been used three years ago on a project on 91h Avenue. He stated
it would be possible to explore using that technology to replace the pipes.
Council Member Palmeri asked for clarification if the projects where alternatives had
been used were replacements or modifications.
Mr. Rabe stated the projects were mostly replacements. He explained there were very
few instances in which the pipes were able to be lined with a different material and still
provide a structurally sound, adequately sized service lateral to provide water needs to
a home.
Resolution 17-112 Approve General Development Plan for a Proposed Planned
Development at 900 North Koeller Street (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Allison-Aasby; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Council Member Palmeri questioned why the impervious surface ratio would exceed
70%.
Darryn Burich, Planning Services Manager, stated the condition of the existing site was
nearly completely impervious. He explained although the developer would be exceeding
the 70% impervious surface ration they would create additional greenspace on the site
compared to existing conditions.
Council Member Palmeri questioned what the impervious surface ratio would be.
Mr. Burich stated he did not have an exact ratio yet; it would be calculated once specific
implementation plans were complete. He explained plan development was divided into
two stages; the preliminary stage that would include a general development plan
followed by the second stage that would include the specific implementation plan (SIP).
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Council Member Palmeri questioned if there would be other elements included that
would mitigate the storm water and runoff.
Mr. Burich stated City staff would review that aspect with the submission of the SIP.
Resolution 17-113 Approve Specific Implementation Plan for Planned Development of
Parking Lot Expansion at 1218 Witzel Avenue (Plan Commission
Recommends Approval)
MOTION: ADOPT (Panske; second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
Resolution 17-114 Approve Installation of New Sidewalk: North Koeller Street from
Robin Avenue to 300' southwest of Oshkosh Avenue
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Panske)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Palmeri,
Mayor Cummings
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Resolution 17-115 Approve Charges for Extraordinary Services for Special Events —
2017
MOTION: ADOPT (Pech; second, Cummings)
MOTION: LAYOVER RESOLUTION TO BECOME PART OF 2018
OPERATION BUDGET (Pech; second, Allison-Aasby)
Council Member Pech withdrew his motion.
Council Member Allison-Aasby withdrew her second.
MOTION: AMEND TO WAIVE 10% ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGE AND 50%
OF PAID TIME OFF /NON WAGE BENEFIT COSTS (Pech; second,
Allison-Aasby)
Council Member Pech withdrew his motion.
Council Member Allison-Aasby withdrew her second.
VOTE ON RESOLUTION
LOST: Ayes (1) Pech
Noes (5) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Palmeri, Mayor
Cummings
Present (1) Stepanek
Wendy Hielsberg, Executive Director Oshkosh Convention and Visitors Bureau (CVS),
thanked Council for their time spent reviewing the concerns of several event
coordinators. She requested the resolution be tabled for further discussion. She
explained the CVS would like a committee to be formed to review the details of the
resolution. She stated she had met with the City manager, the police chief and the City
parks director to discuss the proposed new charges. She explained she had initially
referred event holders with questions to City staff however the individuals returned to
the CVS with additional questions that City staff had not been able to answer. She stated
she had not been provided with any documentation showing how much the events cost
the City and what dollars the City was trying to recoup from the events. She explained
she was also concerned with the speed of the resolution as it had been tabled once to
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allow for a community listening session. She stated at the listening session many
participants had indicated they would be interested in being part of a committee. She
explained due to the quick timing the event holders were not given sufficient notice to be
able to plan for this year's budget. She stated although she understood the reason for the
additional fees for police and fire services she also understood the value of tourism in the
community. She explained she had attended the state governor's conference on tourism
and tourism had been recognized as a leading industry in the state. She stated at the
conference her peers had stated they would be interested in asking the events in Oshkosh
to move to their community. She explained Oshkosh had earned the brand Wisconsin's
Event City. She stated she did not understand why the small and mid-size events were
under the same umbrella as a large event. She explained there were a number of event
holders in attendance such as the Farmer's Market who originally held their event in the
City parking lot. She stated she did not believe the Farmer's Market would require the
proposed $7,000 worth of City services. She explained the Turkey Trot had stated the
Oshkosh event was their most expensive Turkey Trot in the state despite being located
in Event City. She stated she would like to do more research and had received a number
of suggestions from her peers regarding what other communities do. She explained she
had a number of questions she would like answered.
Dennis Leatherman, Assistant Director of the Oshkosh Farmer's Market, 518 Gruenwald
Avenue, stated he had reviewed the 2016/2017 special events fee schedule and questioned
if the 15% pay raise for community services officers (CSOs) had been approved. He
explained the resolution stated an event using less than 20 no parking signs would not
receive a charge for sign placement. He stated it was his interpretation that no charge for
placement meant they would not need to pay an individual an hourly wage to place signs.
He stated he had met with Dean Smith, Chief of Police, Eric Stenson, Police Sergeant, and
Kathy Snell, Special Events Coordinator and they had agreed that the schedule of police
officers at special events over the past several years had been a schedule completed by
Sergeant Harris that determined the number and duties of the officers. He explained the
schedule was not an item that was strictly adhered to and the schedules were what was
used to determine what the new event fees would be. He stated he and Chief Smith had
agreed that the farmer's market would not be charged any more than the cost of the per-
minute work of the CSOs as they supported the farmer's market which included setting
up barricades and putting up signs. He explained he had been informed that at the
previous Council meeting an individual had stated the farmer's market was in support
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of the resolution. He stated that was not true. He explained he would like to be part of
a special events committee if it were to be formed.
David Goelzer, legal counsel for Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), stated he and
other EAA representatives had met with City staff and appreciated their time. He
explained the City had provided no evidence supporting the claim that the Oshkosh
budget shortfall was the result of special events. He stated within the new rates there
were impermissible elements. He explained in the special events ordinance, which he
believed was passed in 2010, it was stated 'the cost for extraordinary services to event
organizers shall not exceed the actual cost for providing the services.' He explained if a
police officer or firefighter worked overtime the non-variable benefit amount was set and
already covered within the City budget. He stated if an event was charged for an hour
of police or fire staff time the charge should not include any portion of the non-variable
benefit cost. He explained non-variable benefits would include health insurance, life
insurance, workers compensation, retirement and unemployment benefits. He stated
City staff had provided an analysis explaining if the additional charges were not passed
the City would suffer a loss of over$90,000. He explained the statement was not accurate
as it was quantifying an overcharge. He stated the last page of the Council agenda packet
was a breakdown of how the figure was determined. He explained it showed that City
staff had added a 10% surcharge to the annual cost of benefit compensation.
Chuck Koehler, Herrling Clark Law Firm, stated he was present to represent Country
USA and Rock USA. He explained at the listening session in February City staff had
shared statistics that demonstrated Oshkosh was a vibrant and growing community. He
stated he believed that the numerous special events within the City were a key
component of the growth and social climate. He explained he believed although the
taxpayers may bear a cost of the safety personnel for the events they also benefited by the
Event City reputation. He stated the value of real estate and homes in the area was
impacted by the multiple special events and justified the community as a whole sharing
some of the costs. He explained Rock USA and Country USA would experience a
significant fee increase and the budget/planning for the performers occurred nearly a
year in advance of the event. He stated a one year warning period or a phase in would
have been more practical. He thanked the Council and City staff for their work in the
past related to keeping special events in Oshkosh.
Mike Cluff, 1115 Otter Avenue, stated he was the asset manager at Beechwood
Development that owned the Hilton Garden Inn. He explained the hotel already had an
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additional 2% room tax and it was difficult to compete with other communities. He
requested that the topic be tabled for further discussion.
Marc Dosogne, Chief Executive Officer Boys and Girls Club of Oshkosh, stated he was
present due to the club's involvement with the Turkey Trot. He explained he understood
there was a concern on behalf of the City regarding cost of services. He provided Council
with a handout that showed the costs involved with the local Boys and Girls Club. He
explained some of the basic needs of individuals within the community were met by the
club and therefore alleviating the City of those responsibilities. He stated he did not
believe that the proposed solution was the way to solve the problem. He explained if
Oshkosh prided itself on being Event City the citizens should be able to support the needs
of the fire and police services required to allow the events to exist. He stated if the City
wanted private corporations such as Festival Foods to do things for the community they
needed to be aware of the impact the fees may have. He explained the fees may cause
community organizations to be unable to raise funds to make the community better. He
stated he believed that the proposed fees were regressive and the cost should be part of
what citizens should do to support the community.
Matt Mugerauer, 2321 Golden Avenue, stated many well respected members of the
community were present and had reached out via phone or email to Council. He
encouraged the Council to listen to their concerns. He stated many of the individuals
coming forward were reasonable civic minded citizens who had helped shape the
community. He requested the resolution be sent back to City staff and for City staff to
meet with the leaders of the event groups to come up with a fair and equitable solution.
He stated Council should also meet with the event leaders to discuss concerns. He
explained the event groups would need adequate time to plan for the fee increase. He
stated many of the groups do great things within the community including raising funds
for children, veterans and others in need of help. He explained when funding to the
organizations were cut due to an increase in fees the community would suffer.
Ellen Schmidt, 4303 Swallow Banks Lane, stated she was the chairperson of Sawdust
Days. She explained the special events policy had created havoc for many organizations.
She stated Saw Dust Days had been around for 45 years and she as perplexed as to why
the City would suddenly want to add a 10% fee. She explained she had been told that
events would be required to pay a fee because the events do not benefit everyone in the
community. She stated she paid school taxes and did not have children in school. She
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explained she did not believe adding the additional 10% fee to the already expensive
event would enhance the City. She explained the events within the City would suffer.
Council Member Herman stated Ms. Schmidt had been quoted in the Northwestern on
Monday, March 131h as stating 'all the police in the City came rushing down for these few
kids. There were squad cars throughout the park, they just wanted something to happen
so they can get rid of us'. He asked for an explanation of that comment.
Ms. Schmidt stated she had not been quoted accurately.
Council Member Herman stated it had been in the paper.
Ms. Schmidt stated then she had misspoken. She explained what she had meant to say
was that more was made of the incident than what had really happened. She stated she
had workers in tents who had watched what happened. She explained the facts of what
happened were that there were 10 underage individuals and that there was no alcohol
involved. She stated there were two boys that were involved with police officers and one
girl tried to get one boy away and the police officers reacted. She explained the other
kids became involved therefore the police department referred to the event as a 'big
melee'. She stated that was the knowledge that she had of the event and now Sawdust
Days had been hit with a large police cost. She explained she was unsure if the event
would be able to continue if they were to be required to pay the fees upfront. She stated
the promoters of Sawdust Days had experienced a number of issues with the City and
this year she believed the City had a negative attitude towards their event. She explained
she believed the City did not want Sawdust Days to continue. She stated it was her belief
that they were facing such adversity that the event would be too much of a challenge.
Mayor Cummings stated he and Council had been receptive to feedback from the
community and had received many phone calls and emails. He stated he believed
Council felt the resolution needed to be sent back to City staff for re-evaluation.
Council Member Pech stated Council had received significant feedback from the
community. He explained there was misinformation circulating. He stated there had
been comments made earlier about taxpayers receiving the benefit of the events. He
explained under the current system the taxpayers were responsible for much of the cost
for the events. He stated that while the City did not wish to increase event fees the burden
on City services from events had increased. He explained the City was appreciative of
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the events and he was the sponsor for one of the events. He stated the event he organized
for a local non-profit organization would increase from a fee of $466.36 to nearly $1,100.
He explained he was not happy about the increase, however, he would work harder to
recoup the cost and would not discontinue the event. He stated he believed it was
necessary to work together to cover the costs of special events. He explained he did not
believe the cost should be the sole responsibility of the taxpayer nor should it be the sole
responsibility of the event organizer. He stated no matter what decision the City made
there would always be individuals who were unhappy. He explained the discussion
regarding the potential committee for special events had been related to the fee schedule
for 2018. He stated he and Council Member Palmeri had been present at the listening
session.
Council Member Palmeri stated she did not recall that specifically and had a different
recollection from the meeting.
Council Member Pech explained he believed it was important to work together and talk
to each other instead of at each other. He recommended that City staff work with both
the event organizers and the general taxpayers who were not involved in the events. He
stated he believed room tax funds may be an option to discuss if the concern was indeed
a tourism issue. He motioned to lay over the resolution, which was seconded by Council
Member Palmeri, however he did not provide a timeframe for the layover.
Ms. Lorenson stated Council needed to provide a specific date or an event that would
trigger City staff to place the item back on the Council agenda.
Council Member Pech questioned how long City staff thought it would take to re-
examine the item.
Mr. Rohloff stated the reason he suggested forming a committee for 2018 was due to it
would take months of committed time to dissect fees and review options. He explained
there would be considerable detail to review and he did not believe it would be easy as
it would require significant input and there would likely be disagreement. He stated he
believed there would be value in giving him the item as a directive which would give it
priority throughout the year.
Mayor Cummings stated he believed everyone needed to be willing to invest the time to
do it right. He explained he believed it was too important to the City of Oshkosh to rush
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it through. He stated he understood that not everyone would be happy with the outcome
nonetheless somehow there had to be a solution to help pay for the growth of the events.
He explained it was not a fair solution to ask the general taxpayers to foot the entire bill.
Council Member Pech stated he believed the special event fee structure would be well
suited for discussion during the 2018 budget cycle.
Council Member Panske questioned if an acceptable timeframe would be to have the item
return to Council after a committee had been formed and a recommendation created.
Ms. Lorenson stated either timeframe would be appropriate.
Council Member Pech stated he would like to add the timeframe of the 2018 budget cycle
to his motion.
Council Member Herman stated there were additional items he would like to discuss
prior to taking a vote.
Council Member Allison-Aasby withdrew her second.
Council Member Herman questioned if the item was laid over, what fees would be
charged to upcoming events.
Mr. Rohloff stated with no action by Council the rates that were currently in place would
continue.
Council Member Herman stated each year event fees increased a small amount due to
contracts with police, fire and other City staff. He questioned if that increase would be
billed to the events.
Mr. Rohloff stated it would not. He explained new fee rates were approved each year.
Council Member Herman stated the small increase typically reflected the increase in City
staff wages.
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Mr. Rohloff stated it had historically been a simple process where the rates were adjusted
for inflation. He explained if Council were to take no action on the item the fee schedule
that was approved in January of 2016 would remain in place.
Council Member Herman stated there were union contracts in place with the police and
fire departments and the City was required to honor those contracts. He explained they
were entering a negotiation year for the union contracts and even if the City argued for a
1% wage increase it could end up in arbitration. He stated he wanted the public to be
aware that there were increases to the fee schedule each year due to the contracts for City
staff who provide services for special events. He explained in relation to the article in the
Northwestern he believed it was important for the police and fire department to be the
ones responsible to determine if they need more officers at an event. He stated Council
had challenged City staff to look at different options to address the cost of special events
though he did not believe the proposed fee schedule was the correct option. He explained
they had received a number of emails that included other community's special event
policies and guidelines. He stated one of his concerns was that the special events
ordinance that had been passed by a previous Council did not have a fee structure built
into it. He explained he believed that vagueness in the ordinance and the increase in the
number and size of special events led to the present situation.
Mr. Rohloff stated during a fee review there were actions taken that were routine. He
explained the routine actions were imbedded in the more controversial issues. He stated
he and Ms. Larson, Director of Finance, would be able to show Council the items that
were not controversial such as the incremental fee increases due to City staff contracts.
He explained City staff had performed a salary review for community services officers
(CSOs) and it had been determined that they were being underpaid by several dollars
when compared to comparable communities and were losing staff. He stated an
adjustment was made to bring the CSOs up to market. He explained although he
understood the concern from the event organizers there was a financial issue that was
caused by special events. He stated the volume of special events had dramatically
increased in Oshkosh and other communities did not need to increase their rates as they
did not have as many events. He explained the more volume there was in an area where
the City was not recovering costs the more the City would lose.
Ms. Larson stated City staff had proposed Council examine four items to alter the current
methodology that had been used to calculate fees for the past 8 years. She explained the
first item was to charge for regular time personnel. She stated special events had not been
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previously charged for personnel such as CSOs, regular police officers, battalion chiefs
and the special event operation sergeant. She explained up to date, any regular time
wages for City staff working special events had been paid for by the general tax roll. She
stated it had been proposed to charge for regular time personnel dedicated to special
events. She explained the second proposed item was a 10% indirect administrative
overhead charge to cover the cost of a police vehicle being placed at an event, the fuel
cost for a firetruck or ambulance on site, the billing and organizing of event charges. She
stated these were items that had not been charged to event holders in the past. She stated
the final two items were to remove paid time off including vacation, floating holiday and
sick time in addition to removing non-wage benefits such as ICI, life insurance, health
insurance, workers compensation and unemployment. She explained the proposed
changes would result in new a methodology for calculating future fee schedules. She
stated in estimating the City's budget for special events if current methodology remained
in place the City would start with a shortfall of$129,900.
Council Member Pech asked for clarification of the shortfall.
Mr. Rohloff stated if Council were to approve the resolution as it was the City would
begin with a $129,900 shortfall.
Council Member Pech stated if additional charges were removed the shortfall would
increase.
Mr. Rohloff stated City staff recognized that although they were making an effort they
would not be able to achieve all of the recovery goals.
Council Member Pech stated even with the proposed increases the general taxpayers
would still need to contribute to balance the budget of special events.
Mr. Rohloff stated it was approximately$197,000 footed by the taxpayers. He explained
the items Ms. Larson addressed were the controversial pieces; the other components of
the proposed increase were routine in nature.
Council Member Pech asked for an explanation of the removal of non-wage benefits.
Ms. Larson stated City staff was presently using what is referred to as a'full burden labor
rate' in their methodology. She explained that was a standard practice in both the public
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and private sector service industries. She stated the goal was a full cost recovery of all
costs associated with an employee, both direct and indirect.
Council Member Palmeri thanked the event organizers and citizens who reached out
with concerns, especially event organizers who provided detail regarding their events.
She stated she had a conversation with Chief Smith regarding the costs associated with
special events in 2015 and 2016. She explained she had noted the cost for overtime for
2015 was $215,000 that was attributed directly to special events. She questioned if her
notation was accurate.
Dean Smith, Chief of Police, stated it was correct.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the total for 2016 was $210,000.
Chief Smith stated that was correct.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if there would have been the same range of overtime
paid if there had not been the labor cost associated with special events or if the overtime
was directly caused by the events.
Chief Smith stated those two specific dollar amounts were specifically attributable to law
enforcement staffing of special events.
Council Member Palmeri stated during the second budget meeting in August of 2016
Council had been provided with a per capita spending for police and fire in comparison
to 10 cities for 2014. She explained with fire, Oshkosh ranked at$183 per capita, with the
average being $140 per capital among the cities studied. She stated for police, Oshkosh
had been ranked the lowest in per capita at$184 while the average was $228 amongst the
10 cities. She explained she had received further data from Ms. Larson from 2015 and
2016 and Oshkosh was now at $194 per capita which was still below the average from
2014. She stated there had been no increase in police and fire spending despite an increase
in services. She explained she agreed that more information would be required for a
thorough analysis for fees going forward, however, she stated there had been challenges
throughout the budget process and event organizers would need to recognize that there
would be higher costs associated with special events each year as the cost to put them on
increased. She stated it should not have been a complete surprise to event organizers that
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there would be a fee increase. She explained she believed the topic needed work from
both the City and the event organizers.
Council Member Panske stated while she agreed that work from both sides needed to be
done and she appreciated the effort that City staff had put forth, she believed that Council
and City staff needed to'back up' from the issue. She explained she was reminded of the
rental inspection ordinance where there was a group in the community who wanted to
get involved and the City was not willing to work with them despite encouraging citizens
to become involved in boards and commissions. She stated she disagreed with the way
the topic was being addressed and believed the process should slow down and involve
the individuals who wished to work with Council and City staff. She explained although
everyone may not be happy, if they were involved and felt they had a voice they could
understand what the City was doing and why. She stated Oshkosh had earned the name
of Event City and she wished to keep it that way.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she did not believe anything had been said by
Mayor Cummings or Council indicating that Council was not willing to work with or
listen to the community. She explained in regards to the comment regarding forming a
committee for an earlier ordinance that it had taken months to receive enough
applications to begin looking at forming a committee. She stated if a committee were to
be formed for the special events fee topic it was important for individuals to understand
it may take 3-6 months of time commitment. She explained she had conversations with
staff at the CVS and other event organizers and believed a solution could be created that
would be equitable to all involved. She stated over the past six years it appeared that the
events in Oshkosh had more than doubled. She explained City staff had not grown to
the size that the events had increased to. She stated in order for the City to maintain its
budget, the taxpayer to be taken into consideration and events to be successful it may be
necessary to recognize that Oshkosh can only accommodate a certain number of events.
She stated it was possible that although the City continued to take event applications that
it may max out and not be able to approve every event unless the taxpayer and event
organizers were willing to fund substantial City staff for both the police and fire
departments as well as administrative staff. She explained she believed further work and
discussion could lead to a solution. She stated the result would need to be a win for the
taxpayers, the event holders and the City.
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Mayor Cummings stated it was frustrating trying to recruit individuals to serve on
boards and commissions. He explained the one that had been requested by the landlords
had taken nearly 6 months to gain enough membership to form a committee.
Mr. Rohloff stated at the February 22nd listening session there had been a number of
individuals who indicated they would be willing to be part of a committee. He explained
he believed a working group should be formed internally with City staff. He stated if the
direction was to form a committee it would require approval from Council, a quorum to
meet and minutes. He explained if Council wanted to stay on the 3-6 month timeline it
may take that long just to form the committee.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated they had used the wrong verbiage and a working
group would accomplish the goal.
Council Member Palmeri stated she would still like minutes provided.
Mr. Rohloff stated minutes could be provided. He explained he believed people were
engaged in the topic and would participate.
Mayor Cummings questioned if participants would need to be residents of the City of
Oshkosh.
Mr. Rohloff stated that there would be no requirements because it was a working group.
Council Member Pech stated he would recommend a deadline of August 8th, 2017 with
status updates in May, June and July. He explained the item would be part of the budget
process discussions.
Mr. Rohloff stated there would be budget workshops. He explained the first workshop
typically occurred in July and the second in August. He stated a portion of the second
budget workshop could be devoted to special event fees. He requested that Council give
him the item as a directive so he would be the one to provide Council with updates.
Council Member Pech questioned if giving a deadline of the second budget workshop
would meet the requirements to lay over the resolution.
Ms. Lorenson stated yes.
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Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned what the fiscal impact would be from not
taking any action until August.
Mr. Rohloff stated it would be slightly over $300,000 that the City would need to absorb.
Council Member Pech stated he believed some of the fiscal impact needed to be
addressed. He explained taxes had already been raised to 6%.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if Council Member Pech's motion to amend
the resolution was to address the fiscal impact.
Council Member Pech stated it was. He explained he understood that there were costs
that needed to be addressed.
Dennis Leatherman, 518 W. Gruenwald Avenue, stated he believed event holders had
been hit twice. He explained he had been part of the original special events discussion in
2010 and had been told event holders would only be responsible for overtime costs and
extraordinary expenses and not normal day by day expenses. He stated now it was
proposed that the events were responsible to pay for all of the services that had been
given to them free since 2010. He explained on top of having to pay for regular time
services they would be assessed an administrative fee.
Council Member Pech stated the administrative fee was not part of the discussion. He
explained it was being waived as part of the motion.
Mr. Leatherman stated he did not believe that Council understood that the events were
going from being covered by the City to being charged to the event holders.
Council Member Pech questioned if Mr. Leatherman was stating that they had been
getting services for free and now event services that were costing the taxpayers' money
events were going to be charged to the events.
Mr. Leatherman stated he was not saying that there should not be a charge. He explained
he was saying that the original resolution had stated event holders would be responsible
for extraordinary services which meant overtime, and now extraordinary services
included normal duty hours. He stated his event had been charged for a fuse that had
blown during the market and he had been charged the hourly wage for the replacement.
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Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she agreed that events had previously received
free City services. She explained since 2010 the number of City staff that serviced events,
which included police, fire, parks department employees and occasionally public works,
had stayed nearly the same while events had significantly increased in number and size.
She stated the City could not afford to continue to take City staff away from their roles to
complete tasks for no charge to the events. She explained summer was a peak time for
both events and other items that resulted in a burden on City staff. She stated there would
need to be further discussions involving event organizers and the CVS.
Mr. Leatherman stated the resolution that was on the floor was to change the cost of
extraordinary services. He explained the original ordinance from 2010 described
extraordinary expenses as overtime. He stated the verbiage would need to be revised as
what Council and City staff were discussing was not extraordinary.
Council Member Pech stated he believed it may be a situation similar to that of the
verbiage in the housing code where different individuals used different terms to describe
the same thing. He explained his understanding was that due to the growth of Oshkosh
as a whole and the special events the City needed to adequately staff to provide public
safety as a whole as well as bring in additional City staff for special events. He stated it
would not necessarily result in overtime; it was essentially charging for the cost of City
staff serving events as they would be taken away from their regular duty of providing
safety to the City.
Mr. Rohloff stated he did not believe the ordinance in 2010 referred to extraordinary
expenses as overtime. He explained overtime had traditionally been the primary source
of expenses charged as the City had not often charged for straight time. He stated the
City had not previously charged for the service of CSOs or the battalion chief that was on
duty at EAA supporting the event. He explained such costs would meet the definition of
extraordinary expenses as defined in the City's municipal code however by tradition the
City had not been charging for them. He stated CSOs were staffed at events for the sole
purpose of providing service for the event and immediately went off duty following the
completion of the event. He explained that situation clearly met the definition of
extraordinary.
Council Member Pech stated extraordinary was defined as over and above the ordinary
duties.
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Council Member Palmeri stated it was non-essential duties.
Mr. Rohloff stated that was correct. He explained it was defined in the municipal code
as reasonable and necessary service provided by the City which specifically result from
the special event. He stated in terms of tradition Mr. Leatherman was correct; the City
had not frequently charged for straight time.
Michael Cluff, 1115 Otter Avenue, stated as a homeowner in Oshkosh he did not believe
the taxpayers were completely responsible for the cost of special events. He stated he
understood 33% of his revenue as a hotelier was a result of special events. He explained
there was money from businesses and travelers in the City that also contributed to the
costs of the events through items such as sales tax and room tax. He questioned how the
$90,000 would be covered by the various event holders. He stated additional clarification
and definition was required.
Council Member Pech stated sales tax was a state fee from which the City did not receive
any proceeds. He explained the room tax proceeds went to the CVS and did not fund
special event costs.
Mr. Cluff stated he had not claimed the tax proceeds offset City costs. He explained they
help fund items such as private security and additional staff that the event holders hired.
He stated there were other means the City could explore to cover the costs instead of
having the event holders be responsible.
Council Member Pech questioned if the CVS paid for private security and other items for
special events.
Wendy Hielsberg, Executive Director of the Oshkosh Convention and Visitors Bureau,
stated they did pay for a number of fees.
David Goelzer, legal counsel for Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), stated he
wanted to re-emphasize that the special events ordinance stated the City was not able to
charge for anything aside from the actual cost of service to the event. He explained the
non-variable benefits portion was not able to be charged as they were not a cost to the
City.
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Council Member Pech questioned if the City was not paying the cost of the benefits who
was.
Mr. Goelzer stated the City was paying the benefit in the cost of straight time pay. He
explained when a police officer or firefighter was on the job, the overtime hour would
not cost the City anything in relation to non-variable benefits, which was the $90,000
figure that had been discussed. He stated the City would be overcharging the special
events by$90,000.
Council Member Pech stated the taxpayer in the City was responsible for that charge.
Mr. Golezer stated they were not. He explained the taxpayer was responsible for paying
the salary and any benefits that varied with the amount of hours worked. He stated any
benefits that did not vary with hours worked were not a cost to the City.
Ms. Larson stated it was consistent practice in a full burden labor rate that items such as
health insurance were charged. She explained part of the 2017 budget included the hiring
of three police officers. She stated the three police officers would not exist if there was
not offsetting revenue.
Mr. Goelzer stated if there was a firefighter or a police officer on overtime the non-
variable benefit was not a cost to the City. He explained it was not fair to charge event
holders due to a lack of funds in the City budget.
Council Member Herman stated he agreed. He explained the City's municipal code
stated the cost to event organizers shall not exceed the actual cost of providing the
services. He stated whether a police officer was working or not he still received health
insurance. He explained an officer would not receive additional health insurance for
working overtime. He stated he could not support billing that cost back to the event
organizer as it was a fixed cost. He explained under the current municipal code the City
would not be able to charge for such an item.
Council Member Pech questioned Ms. Lorenson what the legal interpretation of the
municipal code would be.
Ms. Lorenson stated the ordinance and the statute reflected the same language; the City
would only be able to bill for the actual cost of service to the event. She explained the
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finance department determined what the actual costs were and what items were included
in that cost.
Ms. Larson stated it was common practice to utilize a full burden cost. She explained the
method was also often used when billing for a utility charge. She stated another example
was when a plumber came to a residence to make a repair, the labor cost of the hourly
rate was the full cost of the employee. She explained the methodology was used because
it was a service industry that required individuals to perform the service who required
benefits. She stated the practice was not unique to Oshkosh and was often used when
billing utility personnel. She explained there were alternative methods to recover the
costs of the employees, however, in the existing methodology that had been used since
2010, it had been a fully burdened labor cost. She stated it was not a new practice this
year and was consistent with prior years.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if cities such as Milwaukee, Madison, La
Crosse and Eau Claire used the same methodology.
Ms. Lorenson stated in a discussion with one of the major event organizers in Wisconsin
about the current methodology used in Oshkosh she had been told it was a familiar
methodology that was used in other municipalities in the state.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if the premiums that the City paid for
workers compensation and unemployment insurance was based off of what the City paid
each year for salaries.
Mr. Rohloff stated yes.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated that was similar to the private sector; the higher
the wages the higher the premiums for workers compensation and unemployment
insurance.
David Goelzer, legal counsel for Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), stated it did
not matter that the methodology had been used in the past or was used by other
municipalities. He explained an officer working overtime would not cause the benefits
cost to the City to increase. He stated it would be an overcharge to the events.
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Council Member Herman stated he represented the Council on the CVS and experienced
the many events they brought to the City. He explained when he was working with the
Winnebago County Sherriff's Department, the County had been exploring charging for
ice and boat rescues. He stated it had been determined that some of those costs were part
of doing business. He explained as Event City he believed the majority of citizens did
benefit from the events and did not believe the burden was being put on the taxpayers at
once. He stated he believed the current proposal would put the cost on special events
organizers who had not had time to adjust their budgets. He explained he believed a
working group needed to be formed to come up with a solution.
Council Member Stepanek stated he served on a committee putting on an event from
Party.0 and would abstain from voting on the resolution as he viewed it to be a conflict
of interest.
Mayor Cummings stated he would not be able to support the amended resolution as he
believed it was too late in the year and the event holders had plans and budgets in place.
He stated event holders would need to realize that there could be no more 'freebies' in
the future. He explained he believed the working group would be able to determine how
to keep the events going while evaluating the different types of events. He stated there
were events that were totally for profit and the topic of alcohol needed to be addressed.
He explained that while Oshkosh was Event City it needed to be discussed if the majority
of the events should be structured around drinking.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated it would be irresponsible to not address beginning
with a deficit. She stated she believed the budget process would need to begin in April.
She explained with the upcoming election there may be new Council members in place.
She stated it was someone's responsibility to address the deficit instead of pushing the
item into the future. She explained she would request that budget meetings begin in
April or early May.
Council Member Pech stated he understood that the amendment would not have enough
votes to pass. He questioned the Council members who did not support the amendment
how the budget deficit should be addressed.
Council Member Herman stated there had been options provided in their packets. He
explained one of the options was charging for personnel dedicated to the event. He stated
it would result in an increase for some events, however, he believed event organizers
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were already working with City staff in an effort to reduce costs. He explained he did
not believe it would be fair to the events yet to come in the year as events that had already
occurred had not been charged and the City was not able to back bill. He stated he
believed any changes would need to occur in 2018. He stated there were a number of
communities the working group could review as an example for the future.
Council Member Pech stated he agreed that the City needed to be fair to the event
organizers, however, he believed the City also needed to be fair to the taxpayers of the
community who were footing the bill. Council Member Pech called the question and
stated a vote must be taken as it was now non-debatable.
Council Member Herman stated he believed the direction to Mr. Rohloff should be to
form a working group.
Mr. Rohloff stated he would request that Council not provide Mr. Rohloff with such
direction as a formal committee would then need to be formed. He explained he would
gather a broad group of stakeholders to seek their input and evaluate the fee structure.
He stated he would have a recommendation prepared for Council around the first budget
workshop session.
Council Member Allison-Aasby questioned if Council was in agreement with starting the
budget process early.
Council Member Herman stated yes.
Council Member Pech stated yes.
Mr. Rohloff stated he would work with City staff to come up with options to address the
budget deficit.
Council Member Pech stated the reason for his affirmative vote on the resolution was to
call attention to the fact that there were serious budget implications that needed to be
addressed.
Mayor Cummings stated he believed both event organizers and the taxpayers needed to
be aware that the expenses would have to be paid by some means.
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Resolution 17-116 Amend 2017 Capital Improvement Program to Increase Available
Project Funds for Convention Center Improvements
MOTION: ADOPT (Allison-Aasby; second, Herman)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Mayor
Cummings
Noes (1) Palmeri
Resolution 17-117 Lith fife b,,,,,,,,r ing f,,,,,,, u,,af „f r,,,,,,missionefs of Publ E Land
(9C12T=) State rrfust Fund Lan ($4,500,000)- WITHDRAWN BY
STAFF
Resolution 17-118 Award Bid to Maccos Commercial Interiors Inc. for Carpet
Replacement, Faith Technologies Inc. for Electrical Upgrades &
Omni Glass & Paint for Painting & Wallcovering Improvements for
the Oshkosh Convention Center ($342,767.00)
MOTION: ADOPT (Herman; second, Pech)
CARRIED: Ayes (6) Herman, Allison-Aasby, Panske, Stepanek, Pech, Mayor
Cummings
Noes (1) Palmeri
COUNCIL DISCUSSION, DIRECTION TO CITY MANAGER &FUTURE AGENDA
ITEMS
Council Member Herman stated he was approached by a stakeholder from a business
close to the bridge. He questioned if the City planned to have a discussion with
stakeholders regarding their recommendations for the Jackson/Oregon Street Bridge
project.
Mr. Rohloff stated a meeting had not been scheduled with stakeholders as the state had
not yet provided a rendering of the options. He explained the recommendation from the
various boards and commissions may not be ready for the March 28th Council meeting as
they had not received the renderings and likely would not have time to meet prior to the
Council meeting.
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Council Member Herman stated stakeholders could be invited to attend one of the boards
and commissions meetings instead of a separate meeting. He explained he had been
approached by City Center which would be impacted by the decision.
Mr. Rohloff stated City staff would provide the renderings to anyone who expressed an
interest.
Council Member Herman stated City Center had expressed concern that they may get
left out of the decision.
Council Member Pech stated if the City received the rendering it could be displayed at
the State of the City.
Mr. Rohloff stated he was not certain he would have the rendering in time.
Mayor Cummings stated it had been made clear to the Department of Transportation
(DOT) that the City would like to see the rendering of the bridge in place with a concept
of a developed riverfront.
Mr. Rohloff stated Mr. Rabe was the point of contact with the DOT and would continue
communication about the request. He explained he did not believe the renderings would
be ready for the March 281h Council meeting although City staff would provide an update
at that time.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if there was a workshop scheduled for April 25,
2017.
Mr. Rohloff stated he was not aware of one. He explained because it was the first Council
meeting with potential new members it was not recommended to have a workshop.
Council Member Stepanek stated he had requested the diversity committee topic be
added to the agenda for Council to decide if they would like to look at the formation of a
diversity committee when they review the other boards and commissions or if it would
be examined by itself. He explained his term was nearly up and stated he believed it
would be fair for the new Council to evaluate the diversity committee at the same time
as the other boards and commissions.
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Mayor Cummings stated he believed it would be evaluated with the City's other boards
and commissions.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she believed it was an important topic and many
community members had approached her for a status update on the committee. She
questioned if there was a date set for the revision of the boards and commissions.
Mr. Rohloff stated it was one of the goals Council had provided him. He explained he
planned on a date mid-year. He stated if mid-year was not satisfactory to Council, City
staff would begin work right away.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated she would like to know other Council Members'
opinions.
Council Member Panske stated she was in agreement with the mid-year date.
Council Member Palmeri stated she had individuals ask her how they could apply for
the diversity committee and they had not been aware that it had not formed yet. She
questioned if May would be an acceptable timeframe.
Mr. Rohloff questioned if she was referencing just the diversity committee or all of the
boards and commissions. He stated he did not believe all of the boards and commissions
would be ready for review by May.
Council Member Palmeri stated just the diversity committee.
Mr. Rohloff stated he believed City staff would be able to prepare the diversity committee
by May.
Council Member Pech stated he believed the diversity committee should fall under the
review of all of the City's boards and commissions. He explained the City struggled to
gain membership to the existing committees. He stated there may be an opportunity to
combine the diversity committee into an existing board or commission and that would
be best handled after the election. He explained there may be a different Council in place
at that time.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated perhaps it wasn't the best time to discuss the topic.
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Council Member Palmeri stated she believed it had already been decided that a diversity
committee would be formed.
Council Member Allison-Aasby stated it had; she was referencing the discussion about
the timeframe.
Council Member Herman stated he believed City staff already had the terminology; it
was a matter of advertising for the committee to gain membership.
Ms. Lorenson stated Council would need to adopt an ordinance to form the committee.
Mr. Rohloff stated other municipalities had similar ordinances. He explained he could
put examples together for the newsletter to give Council an idea of the direction.
Mayor Cummings stated one of his frustrations over the last two years was that
individuals voiced interest in joining boards and commissions though they did not follow
through.
CITIZEN STATEMENTS TO COUNCIL
There were no citizen statements to Council.
CO UNCIL MEMBER ANNO UNCEMENTS & STATEMENTS
There were no Council Member announcements or statements.
CITY MANAGER ANNO UNCEMENT AND STATEMENTS
Mr. Rohloff stated as part of the City's purchasing ordinance it was required that City
staff provide Council with a list of vendors receiving more than $300,000 on an annual
basis. He explained Council had been provided with the 2015 and 2016 report. He stated
it was in an interest of transparency to show the recipients of significant City funds. He
explained one of the primary reasons was to identify consulting firms as they did not
necessarily require a bid. He stated they were either proposals or City staff
recommended a firm to Council based on expertise. He explained the fourth quarter
revenue and expense statement. He stated there were a few items that were not included
such as engineering fees and TIF district costs which were still in the process of closure
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with the annual audit. He explained once that was complete it would be determined if
the City met the annual budget. He stated Ms. Larson had identified through the
preliminary accounting that the City would be in the positive. He explained there was
nothing new regarding the Buckstaff demolition. He stated the demolition was
progressing and work was being complete on the public improvements. He explained it
was time to shift the topic to arena construction update as the demolition was nearing its
end stages. He stated March 29, 2017 at 3:00 p.m. was the groundbreaking ceremony for
the arena, followed by a gathering at Becket's. He explained early voting would begin
March 15, 2017 in the Clerk's Office and the State of the City was March 20th, 2017.
MOTION: ADJOURN (Panske; second, Allison-Aasby)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 8:56 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
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