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PRELIMINARY PLAT - WESTBROOK PI.,AT
CONDITIONALLY APPROVED BY PLAN COMMISSION 9- 0
BE IT RESOLVED by the Common Council of the City of Oshkosh
that the PRELII-IINARY PLAT for Lots 1 through 8 of WESTBROOK PLAT,
located in the West 1/2 of the NdRTH EAST 1/4 c�f Section 21,
Township 18 North, Range 16 East, City of Oshk.osh, �s hereby
approved, subject to conditions of the Plan Commission requiring
submission and approval of drainage and grading plans for said
plat.
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PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
MONDAY, MAY 10, 1976
4:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Lurton Blassingame, Philip Cundy, Robert Fick,
Karen Fonstad, Robert Moser, Natalie Saroff,
War-ren Steinert, Jack Schneider and City Manager,
David L. Wendtland
STAFF PRESENT . Roland Miller, Acting Direc-�ox of Community Development
Susan Sedlachek, Secretary
I. PRELIMINARY PLATS
A. Westbrook Preliminary Plat
Robert Schulz, owner of the property described as:
A subdivision located in the West 1/2 of the NE 1/4 of
Section 21, T18N, R16E, City of Oshkosh, Winnebago County,
Wisconsin
requests the Plan Commission to review and approve the
Preliminary Plat of the Westbrook Plat.
Mr. Miller explained that this item was discussed at the last Plan
Commission meeting and was sent to the Parks Advisory Board for a
recommendation. The proposed preliminary plat contains 14 lots in an
area presently zoned R-3, with R-1B zoning immediately to the East and
tYie property to the West being also owned by the same individuals. This
item has gone to the Parks Advisory Board from which you received the
minutes. The Chairman of the Board and the Parks Director are here to
answer any questions.
Mrs. Elizabeth Williams, 938 Eastman Street, appeared representin�
the League of Women Voters who are in support of the Parks Board's
recommendation. Several members of the League walked the area and
have studied land use and believe that wetlands in Wisconsin should be
preserved. She stated that the preservation of a natural state in this
aY�ea would be to gain -the greatest long term value pf the area. Mrs.
Williams stated that the League of Women Voters has also supported the
parks system and believe that the clear intent of the Ordinance is to
provide parks area for the citizens of Oshkosh. This area provides a
unique ecology to the City.
Mr. Schneider asked Mrs. Williams how they would define wetlands?
Mrs. Williams replied that her belief, not necessarily that of the League
would be that the area, during the major part of the year, contains water
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or has control on the downstream water supply. Mr. Schneider asked her
if they knew how many months out of the year that area is dry? Mrs.
Williams replied that they are aware that some of the summer months are
dry, but she believes a study should be done on the natural drainage.
Mr. Schneider stated that the creek, from U.S. 41 to Witzel is dry about
ten (10) months out of the year and the creek itself has a few stagnant
pools. Mrs. Williams pointed out that this creek carries the drainage
for hundreds of acres. Mr. Schneider stated that development of this
area cannot stop the drainage in this area. He added that when speaking
of wetlands, we are speaking of marsh area. Mrs. GJilliams stated that
she thinks the creek drainage area needs our attention as well.
Mr. Fick asked, as a representative of the League of Women Voters,
is this vote of the membership to support the Parks Advisory Board?
Mrs. Williams replied that the League comes by their position after
study of land use in Wisconsin; the Oshkosh membership votes on particular
question� and tries to understand the particular issue. We do plan to
go into some depth on this particular property, but will not have a
complete report until later this week.
Mr. Russell Williams, Attorney for Robert Schulz and James Geffers
appeared before the Commission with the owners. Mr. Williams stated
that the owners want to keep this area in its present state. They own
80 acres and want to protect this as wetland and, he added he did not
believe it is a wetland, it is a stream, and they are concerned with
the manner in which it is protected. To have a park coming behind these
houses and having people running up and down there wauld cause the area
to lose its natural state. We are talking of 14 lots on a preliminary
plat that is outside of the creek area. Mr. Williams quoted Section 30-35
(c) (6) of the City Subdivision Ordinance which states that payment may
be made in lieu of dedication of land. If the City wants to buy this,
they could, in effect, condemn the land. If you decide to buy the land
from them, there is a procedure set for it. Mr. Williams stated that he
thinks the way to proter_t it is not to have the public in there. He
stated that he did not be�ieve the whole plat should be held up because
of this. The creek is not in the plat.
Mr. Williams asked Mr. Miller if he knew where they would want to
reserve park land or how much? Mr. Mi11er re�lied that no detailed plans
have been drawn on where the Sawyer Creek corridor is, so it has not been
determined whether the plat would be a part of it.
Mr. Moser stated that he had not seen the area yet and would like
to see it.
Mr. Williams stated that they have 80 acres and there is room to
put the park in. Only lots 11 and 12 are next to the creek and perhaps
the Commission could consider approval of Lots 1-10. P�rs. Fonstad stated
that Lot 10 also extends to a corner of the area. Mr. Williams stated
that Lot 10 could also be deleted from the plat - this could end up at
Lot 9. They would agree to delete Lots 10, 11, and 12.
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Mr. Wendtland stated that his only comment, for the new Plan
Commissioners, would be that the last meeting of the Commission was the
first time this was heard. However, the Council must hear this within
40 days, so action must be taken on it. He added that modifications to
the plat could be made.
Mrs. Dorothy Schwartz, 1008 Jackson Street, stated that this area is
dry part of the year, if platted, how do you preserve drainage? Mr.
Wendtland replied that a drainage plan must be submitted to the Department
of Public Works, as a condition to approval of the plat. Mrs. Schwartz
pointed out that the area isn't exactly in its natural state now as a
large hole has been dug there and it contains water. The creek area
according to the Land Use Map, is planned for park area. She stated that
she thinks it is time the City started planning for the area. Mrs.
Schwartz stated that the creek has the poten�ial and qualities that could
be developed. When the Glatz area was considered two years ago, the
thought then was that land should be purchased west of the City. This
might be a good time to start. Having a park adjacent to a property has
never been a hindrance.
Mr. Schneider stated that the question boils down to whether the
City would want an elongated hiking park or a centralized park. Mrs.
Schwartz stated that she preferred the hiking park. She also added that
children are attracted to water and this is a shallow creek and a good
chance to teach them some respect for water.
Mrs. Jane Conover, 4710 Bay View Lane, stated that she was a member
of the League of Women Voters when the City parks were studied and the
City is very short on neighborhood parks. She stated that it is important
to consider the idea of reserving park lands, and she did not understand
why people buying lots would not see the advantage of park land being
adjacent to their property. Again, the property owners rights have to be
protected too.
Mr. Fick stated that the last two speakers have indicated that the
Plan Commission has been derelict in planning for parks. After receiving
the Dega report, the Commission made recommendations to the Council. This
was the 5th recommendation. The Plan Commission has been aware, he
pointed out, for a numbex of years of this, but there is a limitation on
funds.
Mrs. Martha Fellows, 2460 Viking Court and Chairman of the Parks
Advisory Board appeared before the Commission and presented pictures of
the area. She stated that the Parks Board faced three questions: Should
the area be preserved? They agreed that it should be preserved in a
semi natural state because there has been some work done out there. Shall
the public have right of access? The Board decided that it should be
useable for the entire populous. �ow could we proceed to get the land?
There is a provision in �the Subdivision Ordinance to reserve property
for purchase in the future, however, there is a 5 year limitation to that.
Dr. Blassingame asked Mrs. Fellows if the Parks Advisory Board had
any idea how much land from the center of the creek on either side would
be at issue? Mrs. Fello�as replied that they have looked at the plat and
felt that it could be ne€;otiated with them and probably not disturb the
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platting. The Board felt that something could be worked out. Dr.
Blassingame asked how long it would be before it could be determined
where the area would be? Mrs. Fellows replied that they are working at
a hiking type park. Mr. Miller stated that if the City would actually
get down to the point of acquisition, the area would have to be defined
by survey, staking, appraisals would be required and would probably take
at least 8 weeks. The Department could do a concept plan within two weeks
but it would probably be not much more detailed than the concept map
we now have showing property ownership lines. We have walked the area
and have made some sketches to try to define what the natural creek area
is. Mr. Fick asked how this plat coincides w�th the p�an of that specific
area? Mr. Wendtland replied that they do overlap in parts.
Mrs. Fellows stated that the Parks Advisory Board feels very
strongly that the City should proceed with Official Mapping of other
areas along Sawyer Creek so tha� this doesn't happen again.
Mr. Williams added that the land on the plat now is farm land and
they are very concerned with this. We will be 8-10 feet above the creek
by deleting lots 10, 11 and 12. Mr. Wendtland asked if this area is now
served with sewer and water? Mr. Williams replied that they do have a
petition in for it but cannot get bank �inancing or petition consideration
until we get plat approval.
Dr. Blassingame stated that, in light of the fact that we don't
know yet what the area would be in terms of the possible park along
Sawyer Creek, if that be the direction we would go and also keeping in
mind they would like to p1at, I would like to move to approve Lots 1-8,
and not 9 because if the City would purchase Lots 10, 11 and 12, they
may wish to reroute the street. Mr. Williams stated that that amended
proposal to start with would be acceptable to them. Motion seconded by
Fonstad. Motion carried, 9-0.
B. Eighth Addition to Nicolet Anchorage Preliminary Plat
All that part of the NE 1/4 of the NE 1/4, Section 12, T18Pd,
R16 E, Town of Oshkosh, Winnebago County, Wisconsin, bounded
and described as follows:
Commencing at the SE corner of said Sectian 12; Thence S88°48'W
1435.95 feet; thence N 00°54'E, 4402.60 feet; Thence N89°24'E
along the North right-of-way line of Nicolet Avenue 995.81 feet;
Thence N Ol°10'E along the East right-of-way of Commander
Court 152.07 feet to the point of beginning; Thence S89°24'W
250.58 feet; Thence N 00°3�'W, 28.00 feet; Thence N 09°14'E,
275.91 feet; Thence N89°24'E, 212.71 feet; Thence S Ol°10'W
299.99 feet to the point of beginning containing 1.61 acres
and also the following described parcel:
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Commencing at the SE corner of Section 12; Thence S88°48'W,
1435.95 feet; Thence N 00°54' E, 4402.60 feet; Thence N89°24'E
along the North right-of-way l�ne of Nicolet Avenue, 995.81
feet; Thence N Ol°10'E along the East right-of-way line of
Commander Court 152.07 feet; Thence S89°24'W, 250.58 feet;
Thence N 00°36'W, 28.00 feet; Thence S89°24'W, 218.00 feet;
Thence T1 09°14'E, 3�2.00 feet to the point of beginning;
Thence N89°06'W, 447.00 feet; Thence P� 0°54'�, 377.65 feet;
Thence S89°24'E, 5�+9.99 feet; Thence S1Q°36'W, 193.29 feet;
lhence S21°14'W, 202.63 feet to the point of beginning
containing 4.42 acres more or less.
Mr. Miller stated that it should be noted that this item also
refers to Item II A. which is annexation and temporary zoning of the
same land. The property contains two parcels of land with 13 lots
proposed to be platted, all meeting and exceeding the minimum requirements
of the Subdivision Ordinance. The temporary zoning is consistent with
general development patterns in the area.
Mr. Russell Williams, 504 Algoma, appeared as owner of the property.
He stated that this follows the plan that was adopted some time ago,
and fills out the area.
Mrs. Fonstad asked about access to the wetland area? Mr. Williams
replied that they are proposing to leave the wetland that way. The
annexation covers the high land, the rest of the land will stay in the
County in its natural state.
Mr. Fick asked Mr. Schneider if the surface water could be drained
to the street to the West? Mr. Schneider replied that it would drain East
and if it would drain West, it would drain to the Nicolet area. Mr. Fick
asked if an easement shouldn't be reserved for drainage? Mr. Williams
stated that if needed, an easement can be givzn. He added that the other
areas drain to Bowen Street. Mr. Wendtland pointed out that the plat
approval is subject to submission of a drainage and grading plan.
Mr. Schneider moved to approve the preliminary plat subject to the
submission of a drainage and grading plan, seconded by Fick. Motion
carried, 9-0.
II. ANNEXATION AND TEMPORA�Y ZONING
A. Eighth Addition to Nicolet Anchorage
See description above.
A temporary zoning of R-1B Single Family Residence District is
requested.
Mr. Williams pointed out that this is all planned to be Single
Family Residential property.
Mr. Schneider moved to approve the annexation, seconded by Steinert.
Motion carried, 9-0.
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III. DEDICATION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY
A. Thomas H. Kinney and Flora Kuhn Krueger request the City of
Oshkosh to accept dedication of a 60 foot right-of-way
(30 feet from each owner) described as iollows:
The South Thirty (30) feet of the North Twenty (20) acres of
The South East 1/4 of the South East 1/4 of Section 27-18-16,
now known as Lot Sixteen C16) per Leach's Map.
The North Thirty (30) feet, front and rear, of Lot 17 in the
Subdivision of the South East 1/4 of Section 27-18-16, in
the Thirteenth Ward, City of Oshkosh, Per Leach's Map of 1894.
Mr. Miller stated that the City has received copies of two deeds
which propose to dedicate right-of-way to the City of Oshkosh. Mr.
Kinney, owner of the property on the South proposes to dedicate the South
30 feet and Mrs. Krueger proposes to dedicate the North 30 feet. This
would be a direct extension of 19th Avenue. Mr. Miller stated that the
Plan Commission should be aware that 18th Avenue is Official Mapped to be
extended. Nineteenth Avenue would only extend to the mobile home park
and it would be possible to have a North-South connector street.
Mr. Fintan Flanagan, 404 North Main Street, appeared representing
Flora Kuhn Krueger, and he stated that P�r. Kinney was represented by
Jack Lenaha�n. Mr. Flanagan stated that the owners both recognized that
cooperation would be needed in extending the street for development of
their properties. They could not develop without being dependent on the
other owner for street dedication. Mr. Schneider stated that he
believed this was brought to the attention of the City and the owners at
the time utilities were extended into this area so that they could
prepare for it. Mr. Cundy asked if there was any provision to make a
cul-de-5ac at the end of the street? Mr.Wendtland replied that this is
just the dedication, not improvements. When the area is platted, then
there would have to bE a provision for turn around at the end of the street.
Mr. Flanagan stated that they do have a sketch of possible
development of the area which shows 18th Street extended of which his
client only owns 30 feet beyond where the school ends. It does show a
connecting street between 18th and 19th. Although we are now giving
19th street up to the lot line, if later, upon working on a preliminary
plat and giving it furth�r consideration, since the street dead ends at
the trailer court, we may ask for a vacation of the last 120 feet of the
stub road that would not go anyplace - at this po�nt we do not know where
it is .
Mr. Miller stated that it should be made clear that we have talked
to Mr. Kinney and some oi the other property owners on the North, and
the point of cooperation does not end here in coordinating a development
plan. Even if the City r.eceives the dedication, if one or the other
proposes to plat, their improvements have to be put in and still
would require cooperation on payments �'or 1000 of the costs of their
half of the street. Mr. Flanagan stated that it can be paid on special
assessment over a period of time.
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Mr. Moser moved to approve the dedication of right-of-way,
seconded by Schneider. Mrs. Fonstad asked if, by accepting this, will
this official Map it? Mr. Miller replied that it would reserve the
right-of-way. Motion carried, 9-0.
IV. PERMANENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS FOR LANDS ANNEXED BETWEEN
APRIL 1975 AND SEPTEMBER 1975
A. The following parcels have been annexed to the City of Oshkosh.
The Plan Commission is requested to review and recommend
permanent zoni�g classifications for those parcels.
Country Fair Annexation
(laid over from
December 9, 1974)
Paul Jansen, Jr. Annexation
Walter Gehrke Annexation
West Side Elevated Tank
Annexation
R-1B Single Family Residence
R-3 Multiple Family Residence
C-2 Light Commercial
M-3 Heavy Industrial
R-1B Single Family Residence
C-2 Light Commercial District
Michael L. Stratz Annexation C-2
William D. � Bonnie Baggett
Annexation
North Industrial Park
Annexation
Gregory Konrad Annexation
Robert A. � Sylvia M.
Bitter Annexation
Dennis Krause Annexation
Black � King Annexation
C-2
M-3
M-2
C-2
C-2
Light Commercial District
Light Commercial District
Heavy Industrial District
Industrial District
Light Commercial District
Light Commercial District
R-1B Single Family Residence
Mr. Miller explained that whenever an annexation is brought in it
is given a temporary zoning classification normally for a minimum period
of six months. Then it is brought back for a permanent zoning
classification. Mr. Miller po�nted out each of the annexation locations
to the Commissioners.
Mr. Fick moved to approve the permanent zoning classifications for
all but the Country Fair Annexation, seconded by Blassingame.
Mr. Cundy asked if a property is built upon under the temporary
zoning, and a problem arises as to whether this shoul.d be permanently
zoned under that distri,ct, what would happen? Mr. Wendtland replied that
it would become a legally non-conforming use. Mr. Cundy asked if the
property can be developed even though it is only temporarily zoned? Mr.
Wendtland stated that the temporary zone is felt to be the appropriate
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zoning, however, it is subject to further �onsideration by the Plan
Commission and Common Council. Motion carried, 9-0.
Mr. Schneider stated that in the recommendations, you state that
60 acres of the Country Fair Annexation is temporarily zoned C-2; that
is more like 28 acres. Mr. Miller replied that it is not 60 acres at
the present time. The concept of the C-2 zoning in th�s area is the
question at the present time. Dr. Blassingame asked what would occur if
the C-2 zoning were removed? Mr. Wendtland stated that the zoning,
as shown on the map, was approved by the P�anning Commission. Mrs.
Fonstad stated that at that time the owners were proposing commercial
development.
It was questioned whether the Commission should vo�e on the
zoning as presented, or to propose new zoning for the area? Mr. Wendtland
stated that he thought it would be wise to change the zoning if the
Commission wished to do so, rather than having this referred back from
the Council for further consideration. Mr. Moser, as a Council member,
stated that he would rather act on this as presented and see what the
Council does.
Mr. Cundy asked if the C-2 area is approved, that will be immediately
West of the creek? Mr. Wendtland replied that the creek is not correct
as shown on the map. Mr. Miller added that the R-1B zoning is existing
homes.
Mrs. Fonstad moved to approve the Country Fair temporary zoning
for permanent zoning of R-1B, R-3, and C-2. Motion seconded by Schneider.
Motion lost, 1-1-7, wi�h Schneider casting the only yes vote and Moser
abstaining.
V. LEASE OF CITY PROPERTY
A. The United States Department of the Navy requests the City
of Oshkosh to extend the lease of 1.58 acres in Menominee Park
for continued use as the Unites States Naval Reserve Center to
September 30, 1977.
Mr. Miller stated that the Parks Advisory Board had already
considered the extension of this lease to September 30, 1977 and they
recommended it be extended as it would not interfere with any development
in the Park up to that time.
Mr. Schneider moved to approve the lease, seconded by Moser.
Mr. Cundy stated that he is a member of the Parks Advisory Board and
evidently the U.S. Department of the Navy did not receive a copy of the
lease from last year and didn't know exactly where they stood. He
questioned whether they should get a lease for the remainder of this year?
Mr. Wendtland replied that the normal lease period is to July and they
are then changing the�r fiscal year. They are requesting that we act to
this date.
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Mr. Fick asked why the Department of Community Development is making
a positive recommendation, this will hinder development of the park and
pier. Mr. Miller replied that the City has no immediate implementation
plans for development of Menominee Park that will affect this area.
Mr. Fick asked how long before not renewing the lease would notification
have to be given? Mr. Wendtland repl�ed that he believes that it is
6 months.
Motion carried, 9-0.
WORKSHOP SESSION
l. Traffic Circulation Plan - University of Wisconsin - Oshkosh.
Mr. Wendtland stated that, if
program was underway, just previous
were for the University area.
you will recall, when the downtown
to that we discussed what the plans
Mr. Miller explained that the University and the City contracted
with Harland Bartholomew and Associates to develop this plan. This was
viewed as a multi-phase study. This is only a preliminary report and not
getting into specific design. The second phase would be the design
phase. He pointed out that East C�ntral Wisconsin Regional Planning
Commission provided background data in the form of traffic volumes, the
location of parking lots and the aftect that they would have and how
they would function under the variou5 alternatives.
The alternatives show the one way versus the two way systems,
a Fox River bridge, A Taft Avenue Bridge and major improvement
to Pearl Avenue having it become a major carrier.
Alternative 1 shows a Taft Avenue bridge with no explanation of
impact . That would occur West of Wisconsin Avenue. High Avenue
would be a 4 lane, two way facility and would have to be widened, with
a notation that no additional right-of-w�y would have to be purchased.
Elmwood would also serve as a two way carrier on the North, 2 lanes, 2
If all parking is removed, there would be no widening necessary.
the
way.
Alternative 2 shows the functioning of Pearl Street with the bridge
being the same. There would be 3 lanes, 1 way on High Avenue, 3 lanes
1 way going North on Elmwood. There would definitely be a widening of
the existing surface of Elmwood and there would be adequate right-of-way.
Alternatives 3 and 4 do not show the Taft connector and would have
a two way system on the major carriers. The extension o� Pearl Avenue
is shown all the way up to connect with Congress. Algoma is closed as in
the other alternatives. High Avenue would be 4 lane, 2 way, Elmwood would
be a two lane, 2 way carrier. The projected traffic volumes are not
available.
Alternative 4 has the same basic recommendations. High-Elmwood
would revert to one way carriers.
Alternative 5 again shows the Taft Avenue bridge. It does not show
a major improvement on Pearl Street. Al1 traffic would have to be
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carried on the existing High-Elmwood Streets. High would have to be
widened to 4 lanes if volumes would reach the projected level.
Alternative 6 retains the one way couplets, two way on Elmwood
and is basically a do nothing pro�osal. Traffic prpjections were noted
in the report as not being avail.able. There is a note that if nothing
is done, there will be severe problems in functioning of the street
system in the area.
Mr. Thomas Drummond, Miles Kimball Company, appeared before the
Commission and stated that they believe Algoma Boulevard should stay
open. Mr. Drummond stated that they had made a study in 1971 of Algoma
Boulevard and are concerned with access to the downtown, until such time
as we would get a Taft Avenue Bridge. Mr. Drummond proceeded to show
slides of their study done in 1971 of the University crossing at Algoma
and McKone Avenue. He stated that tl�is was done at a time when a full
complement of classes were in session beginning at 8:50 A.M. at 1 minute
intervals.
Mr. Ted Leyhe, Miles Kimball Company, asked what the light sequence
on Algoma is on red? Mr. Schneider replied that it is a little longer
than one minute. Mr. Leyhe stated that th�y came to advocate a study
of the problem rather than solutions to the problem. The accident rate
on Algoma is excellent. There have been no accidents that I know of.
In our original presentation in 1966 or 1968 on Park Plaza, the Council
could not give us an answer as to whether Algoma would stay open. The
problems exist for a few minutes every day. He stated that they would
wonder if there is enough of a problem here to spend a whole lot of money.
He stated that they have done some analysis on where their customers
come from and a fair amount come from 10 miles away. Mr. Leyhe stated
that they like Alternative 6. With several lanes on Elmwood and so many
people crossing, it will b� expensive to do. He wondered if the problem
is that severe or if it is a cosmetic thing. We don't know if the
problems are going to be with us in the year 2000 or not. Mrs. Saroff
stated that you are concerned with Algoma and that takes traffic away
from the downtown. Mr. Leyhe replied that High Avenue brings it into
town and Algoma Boulevard takes it off.
Mr. Schneider stated that when Perkins and Will had plans for this
area eight (8) years ago, it was the consensus that we would just be
shifting the problem from Algoma to Elmwood. Mrs. Fonstad pointed out
that the students would only be crossing �lmwood coming and going and
the internal campus circulation would be much better.
Mr. Ted Gunz, Rockwell International, st�.ted that they would have
strong objections to closing of Algoma Boulevard, prior to construction of
a Taft Avenue Bridge. We have parking lots of which access to them is on
High. If High were two way it would be extremely difficult getting our
people in and out of the lots. Our thinking at the present time is to
keep Algoma Boulevard open to keep pressure off of Elmwood. It would be
very difficult to have a 4 lane viabl� stre�t. He added that the only
thing gained by closing ��ff Algoma would be the students crossing. If
you want to get away from that an over or und�rpass could be constructed
at a thousandth of the p:�ice. Mr. Gunz stated that their company brings
in and takes out many mi:Llions qi dollars a year and any increased
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trucking distance would mean an increased cost. Alternatives 3 and 4
would be terrible for us � they would comp�etely cut off our traffic flow.
He concluded that they would be strongly opposed to any proposal to
close Algoma Boulevard.
Mr. Wendtland asked Mr. Gunz if the Taft Avenue Bridge were built
there may be the possibility to close Algoma at that time - what would be
the two way system you would look for in the University area? Mr. Gunz
replied that they would rather have a one way on High Avenue.
Meeting adjourned.
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Respectfully submitted,
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ROLAND G. MILLER, Acting Director
Department of Community Development
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