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Plan Commission Minutes 1 December 2, 2014
PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
December 2, 2014
PRESENT: Ed Bowen, Jeffrey Thoms, Thomas Fojtik, John Hinz, Steve Cummings, Kathleen
Propp, Gary Gray, Robert Vajgrt, Karl Nollenberger
EXCUSED: David Borsuk, Donna Lohry
STAFF: Darryn Burich, Director of Planning Services; David Buck, Principal Planner; Allen
Davis, Director of Community Development; Steve Gohde, Assistant Director of Public
Works; Deborah Foland, Recording Secretary
Chairperson Fojtik called the meeting to order at 4:00 pm. Roll call was taken and a quorum declared
present.
The minutes of November 18, 2014 were approved as presented. (Vajgrt/Cummings)
I. DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW FOR A MULTIPLE FAMILY APARTMENT
DEVELOPMENT ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE MARION ROAD
REDEVELOPMENT AREA (EAST OF 475 MARION ROAD)
The City of Oshkosh Redevelopment Authority is requesting disposition of 1.19 acres of land within
the Marion Road Redevelopment area and Northpointe Development Corporation has submitted site
plans and elevations for Development Plan Review for Rivers Senior Living-Phase 2, a multiple-family
apartment building to be located on Marion Road along the Fox River.
Mr. Buck presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the zoning
classifications and land use in said area. He stated that the proposed 40-unit apartment building would
be situated between the other two apartment buildings and reviewed the site plan for the development.
He also discussed the other features of the plans such as the parking lot layout and stall count, the
landscaping, and refuse enclosure. He further stated that the number of parking stalls provided will
require a base standard modification to allow 56 stalls which is less than the code requirements
however since it is a senior living facility with part of the units being only one-bedroom, staff felt the
modification was supportable. He explained that the density is slightly higher than what is permitted
within the C-3 zoning district which would also require a base standard modification to the code. He
discussed the layout of the building including the patio areas and balconies and the base standard
modifications for setbacks for the parking lot, refuse enclosure, building, and signage. He explained
that the setbacks were necessary as it was a small site and the petitioner was trying to maximize the
green space on the site. He also discussed the access to the development which would be off Marion
Road and a secondary access from this site to the Rivers Senior Living development to the west. He
also discussed the pedestrian access points proposed for the development and the signage for which no
details were provided but would be consistent with the signage for the other two apartment buildings
adjacent to this site. Formal landscaping plans have not yet been submitted but Mr. Buck reviewed the
landscape features included on the site plan. He also discussed the required landscape island that is
being excluded on the north row of parking stalls due to the lack of area which will also require a base
standard modification. He also reviewed the handicapped access area near the drop off zone and
discussed the landscaping to be installed around the refuse enclosure for screening purposes. Formal
lighting and storm water detention plans have also not yet been submitted at this time however a
detention area is depicted on the site plan along Marion Road. He reviewed elevations for the structure
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which will require a base standard modification for the height as it exceeds the maximum allowed
height in this zoning district and the materials proposed for the exterior which are proposed to be
consistent with the other apartment buildings. He also reviewed the location of the refuse enclosure
for which the materials would be required to be constructed to match the principal structure’s exterior.
He reviewed the conditions recommended for this request.
Ms. Propp commented that she recalled there being environmental concerns with this site and
questioned if those issues had been resolved.
Mr. Buck responded that he believed that part of the area of concern had been capped with the park
space area on the southeast corner of the site.
Allen Davis, Director of Community Development, added that the plans for the Anthem apartment
building pushed the parking lot over and the park green space area adjacent to it would act as a cap of
the area with environmental issues. He further stated that we wanted to provide a public access area to
the riverwalk between these two facilities and the southeast corner of the site cannot be built on
however the current development plans would meet the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
requirements.
Mr. Gray questioned the density requirements being allowed to be higher than what is allowed by code
requirements and the comment in the staff report relating to it being consistent with the City’s goal of
activating the central city and riverfront. He questioned who set this goal.
Mr. Buck responded that it is part of the City’s Comprehensive Plan to provide more residential units
in the downtown area.
Mr. Gray then questioned who would be using the public walk proposed to extend between the two
apartment buildings from Marion Road to the riverwalk.
Mr. Buck replied that anyone could access this sidewalk from Marion Road which has on-street
parking and the City desires to keep a connection from this street to the riverwalk.
Mr. Gray also questioned what is going to happen to the vacant space near the water tower.
Mr. Buck indicated that the Comprehensive Plan has this area marked for mixed use development and
the water tower is scheduled to be replaced at some point but it will remain in the same location.
Mr. Gray inquired why the underground parking appeared to be only under half of the proposed
apartment building.
Mr. Buck responded that he believed it was related to a change in grading on the site.
Mr. Gray also inquired if a traffic study will be completed with all the new residential units proposed
for this area.
Mr. Buck replied that the Transportation Director has reviewed all the development plans for this area
and did not feel that traffic volumes are that significant to require a traffic study to be completed as yet.
Mr. Thoms questioned if the access exit on the west side of the property was required.
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Mr. Buck responded affirmatively.
Mr. Thoms then questioned when the public walk depicted on the east side would be constructed.
Mr. Davis indicated that it would depend on the completion date of the proposed development but he
would estimate it to be constructed in 2016.
Mr. Thoms also questioned if the signage placement would interfere with snow removal due to its
close proximity to the road.
Mr. Buck responded that it was located near the apron for the driveway and he did not anticipate it to
be an issue other than the petitioner may have to shovel around it at times.
Mr. Thoms stated that due to the cross access arrangement with the other apartment building, he had
concerns regarding the number of parking stalls and if they would be adequate. He questioned if the
cross access agreement would allow for overflow parking to utilize the parking stalls at the other
apartment complex.
Mr. Burich replied that the cross access agreement was to provide another access point to both
developments but was not for parking purposes.
Mr. Buck added that the nature of senior living apartments does not generate the necessity for the
number of parking stalls required for multi-family apartments as there is less demand at these types of
units due to most seniors not possessing the multiple vehicles per unit as regular apartments.
Mr. Burich added that the City tries to place less emphasis on parking in downtown areas and the C-3
zoning district does not require providing parking and provided examples of mixed use structures
downtown that have residential units on the upper floors with commercial uses on the lower levels.
Mr. Thoms commented that the City is trying to promote citizens to utilize the riverwalk and not
providing any public parking for this use he felt was an issue. He had concerns with approving this
development without any area reserved for public use.
Mr. Burich responded that the more space that is utilized for public parking would result in that much
less space available for development purposes which contribute to generating additional tax revenues
for the City.
Mr. Vajgrt inquired how many of the parking stalls would be underground.
Mr. Buck indicated that 24 stalls would be underground with 56 stalls total for the development.
Mr. Hinz commented that nine base standard modifications seem excessive and questioned if the
approval of this development would set precedence.
Mr. Burich explained that the zoning code standards in a C-3 zoning district does not possess the
setback and parking requirements of other districts and that other developments along the riverfront
have had numerous base standard modifications in the past. He further discussed these issues and
stated that the zoning ordinance code update was still in the process and would address this once
completed. He further stated that if this development was proposed to be a more intensive use than an
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apartment building, there would be more concerns with granting numerous base standard modifications
of this nature.
Mr. Davis added that the soil contamination is an issue with excavating down further to provide
additional underground parking for this development and there would also be issues with the water
levels.
Mr. Gray commented about the visioning study that was held for the riverfront and if approving this
development before reviewing the results of the study would be detrimental.
Mr. Burich responded that this development was consistent with the Marion Road redevelopment
guidelines as this visioning process was completed for this area in the late 1990’s or early 2000’s and
was planned for mixed use, residential, or commercial development.
Mr. Gray inquired if both of the other apartment buildings are also for senior living purposes.
Mr. Buck responded negatively.
Mr. Thoms commented on the lack of a formal landscape plan for this development and the comments
in the staff report that it would be required to be code compliant as he felt for this area that this was not
good enough. He felt the City should have imposed stricter landscaping requirements for
developments in this area and the developer should have to install something more aesthetically
attractive than simply meeting the minimum code requirements.
Mr. Burich indicated that without any other guidelines to reference it is difficult to conclude what
additional landscaping should be requested and although it is appropriate conversation relating to this
development, the City cannot impose additional requirements on just this specific site.
Mr. Thoms stated that the City should apply an overlay within the zoning code that would apply to this
area that could have aesthetic requirements that are more stringent than traditional development areas
as he did not feel that minimum code standards are good enough for this area. He felt with the entire
City’s investment in the riverwalk that the area needs to possess more aesthetic appeal than other sites.
Mr. Burich indicated that the developer would have to meet the code standards for landscaping
requirements and that the City’s requirements are stricter than most other communities in the area. He
added that the Commission could also request that the developer come back with a formal landscape
plan for approval at a later date once the development proceeds to the Common Council and is
approved to move forward.
Mr. Thoms suggested that the Commission may want to consider requiring not only quantities of trees
and shrubs in this case but also types of species and features.
Mr. Burich responded that City staff has the ability to handle quantities when reviewing landscaping
plans but are not landscaping architects so determining appropriate species may be difficult. He
reiterated that a formal landscape plan can be brought back for approval after approval of this potential
development has been determined.
Ms. Propp commented that she understood the base standard modifications other than the one for the
building height and questioned what the reason was for it.
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Mr. Davis indicated that the developer had to avoid excavating further down into the ground in order to
keep out of the water table and ground soil issues and this method of construction would avoid that
issue and also keep the costs down.
Mr. Burich added that the height limitations do not make sense in the downtown area and this building
is only three feet higher than the other existing apartment building.
Ms. Propp inquired about if there would be income limitations for residents of this proposed
development.
Andy Dumke, 230 Ohio Street, stated that market rate apartments and 55 and older restrictions have
nothing to do with each other. He further stated that there would be income restrictions for this
apartment building but the units at the Anthem apartment building were market rate. He further
explained the differences between the two types of housing and how the income restricted units help
with the tax credit application process.
Mr. Burich questioned how many years the income restrictions would last.
Mr. Dumke further explained the number of years that the restrictions may apply however he stated
that these restrictions were meant more for larger cities who could obtain higher rental rates on market
rate apartments. In this community, the difference between market rate and income restricted units
was very minimal.
Mr. Burich commented that a lot of developers utilize the tax credit program to assist in financing their
apartment developments that could eventually transition to market rate when that changes.
Mr. Thoms inquired if this facility would be similar to the original Rivers Senior Living apartments.
Mr. Dumke responded affirmatively.
Mr. Thoms questioned if Mr. Dumke would have any issues with coming back to the Plan Commission
with a formal landscape plan at a later date.
Mr. Dumke responded negatively and stated that he is trying to do a better job of landscaping his
developments than just meeting the code standards.
Mr. Davis added that the City of Oshkosh Redevelopment Authority, (RDA), is currently working on
landscape plans for the park area adjacent to this site.
Motion by Vajgrt to approve the planned development for a multiple family apartment
development on property located in the Marion Road redevelopment area (east of 475 Marion
Road) with the following revised conditions including an additional condition to approve the
landscape plan at a later date:
1) Base standard modification to allow substandard parking count of 1.4-stalls per unit;
2) Base standard modification to density regulations allowing 34 units per acre;
3) Base standard modification to setbacks:
a. Front yard (Marion Road) setback from 25 feet to 20 feet for the parking lot and from
25 feet to 4 feet for the identification sign.
b. Western side yard setback from 16 feet to 10 feet.
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c. Eastern side yard setback from 16 feet to 5 feet for parking and refuse enclosure.
d. Southern rear yard (riverfront) setback from 35 feet to 25 feet for the building and from
35 feet to 2 feet for the refuse enclosure.
4) Cross access easements/agreements are provided between the subject property and the
property to the west for both the driveways and drive aisle;
5) Proposed ground sign be a monument style sign consistent in design with the other
apartment develop signs to the west and east, as approved by the Department of
Community Development;
6) Base standard modification for the exclusion of the parking row island on the northernmost
row of parking stalls;
7) Base standard modification to allow the elimination of islands at the ends of the vehicle
circulation drop-off area with the condition that the striped handicap access areas are
protected from vehicles with a physical barrier as approved by the Department of
Community Development;
8) Landscaping is positioned with the intent to soften and screen the refuse enclosure from the
future public walkway and park space, as approved by the Department of Community
Development;
9) Pedestrian lighting is included at the apartments riverside patio and along the private
sidewalk, stairwell and handicap ramp connection to the riverwalk as approved by the
Department of Community Development;
10) Base standard modification to allow building height of 56 feet 6 inches;
11) Materials used for the refuse enclosure match or compliment the main building’s materials,
as approved by the Department of Community Development.
12) The landscape plan be brought back to Plan Commission for comment.
Seconded by Cummings.
Ms. Propp commented that the Commission has never required a developer to come back for approval
of a landscape plan in the past and that it seemed like micro-managing.
Mr. Burich indicated that the developer could come back to the Commission for comments and
suggestions once a formal landscape plan is developed which could then leave the final approval for
the plans under the scrutiny of the Department of Community Development.
Mr. Bowen suggested that the review of the landscape plan be handled in the form of a workshop
rather than an action item. He felt that requiring the approval of the Plan Commission for this aspect
of the development was undermining the discretion of City staff that has always done a very good job
of ensuring that developments are constructed as approved. He felt that thoughts and comments could
be obtained in a workshop only and staff could follow through with approval of the plans from that
point.
Mr. Cummings commented that there are all types of landscaping features to be considered and he felt
that since the park area would be installed and maintained by the City, that the RDA could work with
Mr. Dumke on putting together a landscape plan that would be more consistent with the adjacent sites.
Mr. Thoms stated that he was making a point of where the landscaping should be located and discussed
his reasoning for his feelings regarding the landscape plans for this area as it is adjacent to the
riverwalk. He further stated that this was a responsible developer who he felt would follow through
with appropriate plans and doing it in a workshop format would be fine and working with the RDA in
conjunction with their park plans would create a more harmonious look for the area.
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Mr. Cummings commented that he has seen extensive landscaping done in other communities on
riverfront areas and some of it had to be removed because it was creating negative issues.
Mr. Hinz stated that this was the same developer who constructed the Fair Acres project several years
ago and he worked well with staff and the Plan Commission on that project and he felt that reviewing
the landscape plan in a workshop would be sufficient.
Ms. Propp commented that she was frustrated about the lack of plans for the project and would like to
have an overall development plan for this area as well.
Mr. Burich indicated that Marion Road redevelopment plans were created years ago however all of the
current Plan Commission members were not on the board at that time. He thought the redevelopment
plans were created in 2005 or possibly earlier and these developments agree with the redevelopment
plans for this area.
Mr. Gray asked to clarify if the landscape plan review would be part of the Plan Commission meeting
as an action item or as a workshop.
Mr. Bowen reiterated that the landscape plan review should be handled as a workshop.
Motion by Vajgrt to amend his previous motion to approve the planned development for a
multiple family apartment development on property located in the Marion Road redevelopment
area (east of 475 Marion Road) with the following revised conditions including an additional
condition to review the landscape plan at a later date during a workshop:
1) Base standard modification to allow substandard parking count of 1.4-stalls per unit;
2) Base standard modification to density regulations allowing 34 units per acre;
3) Base standard modification to setbacks:
a. Front yard (Marion Road) setback from 25 feet to 20 feet for the parking lot and from
25 feet to 4 feet for the identification sign.
b. Western side yard setback from 16 feet to 10 feet.
c. Eastern side yard setback from 16 feet to 5 feet for parking and refuse enclosure.
d. Southern rear yard (riverfront) setback from 35 feet to 25 feet for the building and from
35 feet to 2 feet for the refuse enclosure.
4) Cross access easements/agreements are provided between the subject property and the
property to the west for both the driveways and drive aisle;
5) Proposed ground sign be a monument style sign consistent in design with the other
apartment develop signs to the west and east, as approved by the Department of
Community Development;
6) Base standard modification for the exclusion of the parking row island on the northernmost
row of parking stalls;
7) Base standard modification to allow the elimination of islands at the ends of the vehicle
circulation drop-off area with the condition that the striped handicap access areas are
protected from vehicles with a physical barrier as approved by the Department of
Community Development;
8) Landscaping is positioned with the intent to soften and screen the refuse enclosure from the
future public walkway and park space, as approved by the Department of Community
Development;
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9) Pedestrian lighting is included at the apartments riverside patio and along the private
sidewalk, stairwell and handicap ramp connection to the riverwalk as approved by the
Department of Community Development;
10) Base standard modification to allow building height of 56 feet 6 inches;
11) Materials used for the refuse enclosure match or compliment the main building’s materials,
as approved by the Department of Community Development.
12) The landscape plan be brought back to Plan Commission for comment.
Seconded by Cummings. Motion carried 8-1. (Ayes-Bowen/Thoms/Fojtik/Hinz/Cummings/
Propp/Vajgrt/Nollenberger. Nays-Gray.)
II. STORM SEWER EASEMENT ACQUISITION LOCATED AT 1382 AND 1390
MARICOPA DRIVE
The City of Oshkosh Department of Public Works is requesting a 40-foot wide by approximately 200-
foot deep storm sewer easement to the City of Oshkosh to install a new five-foot by eight-foot storm
sewer through the subject properties to connect from a proposed storm water detention basin to the
north to storm water facilities located in Maricopa Drive.
Mr. Buck presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the zoning
classifications and land use in said area. He discussed the land acquisition for a future storm water
detention basin that took place in 2010 and reviewed the detention basin area. He explained that the
existing easement was not adequate to allow the construction of the new larger storm sewer pipe
required and that the new easement acquisition area was the most viable location. The subject site is
not centered on the common property line as noted in the staff report and is actually 15 feet on 1382
Maricopa Drive and 25 feet on 1390 Maricopa Drive. He stated that once construction is complete, the
property would be restored to its previous state and would not have a negative impact on the subject
properties and is necessary to alleviate storm water flooding issues in the area.
Mr. Thoms questioned if this storm sewer easement was to allow water to flow into or out of the
detention basin.
Steve Gohde, Assistant Director of Public Works, responded that it was to allow water to flow into the
basin.
Mr. Thoms then questioned if it was planned to be a dry or wet detention basin.
Mr. Gohde indicated that the basin would have wet components.
Motion by Vajgrt to approve the easement acquisition located at 1382 and 1390 Maricopa
Drive.
Seconded by Bowen. Motion carried 9-0.
OTHER BUSINESS
Mr. Burich stated that the riverfront visioning report would be reviewed at the next Plan Commission
meeting on December 16th to finalize the plan from the visioning sessions that were held in spring.
Mr. Burich reported that the zoning ordinance update process was continuing and a meeting with the
stakeholders group would be scheduled in the near future.
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There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at approximately 5:10 pm. (Vajgrt/Bowen)
Respectfully submitted,
Darryn Burich
Director of Planning Services