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CITY OF OSHKOSH LANDMARKS COMMISSION
MINUTES
JUNE 11, 2014
PRESENT: Dennis Arnold, Karen Heikel, Shirley Brabender Mattox, Sharon Kipetz, Steve Cummings
and Angela Merrill
EXCUSED: Vicky Redlin
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mr. Arnold called the meeting to order at 3:11 pm and a quorum was declared present. Mr. Arnold and
Ms. Heikel mentioned that they would need to leave at 4:30 today.
2. APPROVAL OF MAY 14, 2014 MEETING MINUTES
Mr. Arnold asked if there were any corrections to the minutes and none were provided. Ms. Heikel made
a motioned to approve the minutes of May 14, 2014 as amended. Motion was seconded by Ms.
Brabender Mattox. Motion carried unanimously.
3. BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW
Mr. Buck explained that the city is instituting new permitting software and the historic building permit
report has not yet been integrated so the list provided this meeting is incomplete. He explained that as the
new permit package is completed that the historic permit report will be complete and we will have
multiple months of permits to review at that time. Ms. Brabender Mattox expressed her concern with not
getting the information on building permits in a timely manner. Mr. Buck stated that if any projects are
brought in with impact that staff would bring those forward. It was discussed that the historic home on
Franklin Street is no longer going to be sided and the owners are scraping and painting the existing wood
siding, which is very good news.
4. BROCHURES/INFORMATIONAL ITEMS
Mr. Buck went over the four brochure types the Commission decided to create including: 1) Historic
Property Information; 2) Historic Districts of Oshkosh; 3) Tax Credits; and 4) Historic Walking Tours.
Once completed we will send them out to the owners in the districts and brainstorm to place them at
strategic locations like the Convention and Visitor Bureau, Library, Museum, Farmers Market, County
Historic Society, etc.
Ms. Merrill went over the first two brochures in their draft forms and asked if everyone would look them
over and provide suggestions. Mr. Buck mentioned that the goal was to make them foldable to fit in
regular racks. Discussion took place on the images to be used and Mr. Cummings asked if there was any
issues with using specific images and if the property owners would have to give permission to use them.
Because of the tight timeframe for this meeting and because Ms. Redlin was not present it was suggested
we review and set up a meeting to go over them exclusively. Mr. Arnold said that Riverside Cemetery
Historic District was not included in the brochure and Ms. Merrill said she did not see the reference in the
State Historical Society inventory site. The Commission felt it needed be included in the district
brochure.
Mr. Buck mentioned that he has not worked on the tax credit brochure but will to find the time to do it.
He also mentioned that Ms. Redlin was working on the tour brochure but she was not present to comment
on progress. Mr. Arnold and Ms. Brabender Mattox commented on the Qualified Rehabilitated Buildings
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Tax Credit and the Commission discussed that it was for pre-1936 buildings and not necessarily tied to
historic preservation and that it simply required that the building to be reused was put into service before
1936. Ms. Brabender Mattox expressed concern that this credit could be used to do rehab that is not
historically sensitive and can be used to potentially negatively affect the historic aspects of a building.
Mr. Buck said he will include the brochures on the next agenda but now that we are over the Acanthus
Awards that it might be best to try to set up a special meeting to go over the brochures as their own topic
and maybe only include members that expressed interest in that particular working group or have as the
only item on a future agenda.
5. ANNUAL REPORT DISCUSSION
Mr. Buck explained that historically the annual report was put together by the Chairperson who goes
through the year’s agendas and meeting minutes and pulls out items to highlight. Staff then formatted
that information into a hard copy report for the Commission to amend and approve. He went over several
previous annual reports and said that he will have to get together with Ms. Redlin to get the information
together. Ms. Brabender Mattox explained that we need to avoid the term “verbiage” in this year’s report
as it has a negative meaning. Mr. Buck asked if any particular image would be best for the cover. Mr.
Arnold thought that the Stephany House would be a good image as the yellow color really “pops”. Ms.
Brabender Mattox suggested that the 300 block of the Irving Avenue would be a great image as there are
a lot of great properties there and Mr. Arnold concurred. Mr. Cummings said we need to have the
Acanthus Award winners included in the report. Ms. Brabender Mattox and Ms. Heikel mentioned that
we should be positive with the report.
6. PRESERVATION CODE DISCUSSION
Mr. Buck said that the Commission has wanted to look at the preservation code and maybe have a
workshop with the Common Council on its effectiveness. He added that the Traditional Neighborhood
Design Standard Overlay has been adopted but is not mapped yet and asked if the Commission would be
interested in promoting this item or still want to look at the historic code? Ms. Brabender Mattox
expressed her concern that our code is not strong enough. Mr. Cummings mentioned that many cities
have full time preservation planners and/or architects that focus specifically on historic preservation. He
also said that he agrees that the code should be focused on as far as to further regulate alterations. Mr.
Cummings said we can look at the “best of the best” codes to come up with what works. Ms. Heikel
asked what the typical process is. Mr. Buck suggested that the Landmarks Commission set up a
workshop to gauge the Councils opinion on what elements need to be included in a revision and then
come up with a draft ordinance to present. Another option would be to simply create a new ordinance and
bring it forward but that option includes the risk of doing the work and having it rejected because it does
not fit the legislative body vision for the code. Mr. Cummings added that the justification needs to be
included in whatever is presented such as equity protection, economic development and quality of life and
that approach is the best way to present preservation regulations. Mr. Buck asked if the Commission felt
it better to have that discussion before or after the technical work on a draft is done and said he felt it
would be best before the technical work is done rather than after so it can include public and specialty
group engagement and input. Ms. Brabender Mattox said that it is best to have a document to bring to
those groups that highlights what we have learned after 10+ years of the existing code being used. Mr.
Buck asked if the Commission was okay with going to the Council in a workshop situation where the
arguments for and against a stricter or more lenient ordinance can be discussed and then start the process?
The Commission discussed the value of doing an education element with the public before or after the
Council is brought in and agreed that staff should send out an e-mail to get a separate working group and
to decide who would like to be on a working group to come up with a strategy/approach to a code review
and revision as well as a timeline. Mr. Cummings, Ms. Merrill and Ms. Brabender Mattox all stated they
would be interested in working on it.
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7. WORKING GROUP REPORTS
Historic Marker Working Group: Mr. Buck went over the Railroad Bridge and Railway Markers and also
went over the revised draft text on the Fishing Marker and the Commission made corrections to the text
language. Mr. Buck said he was going to have the research assistant look for additional photos. Mr.
Arnold said he is definitely on the right track.
Ms. Heikel said she has gotten the University to think about an educational marker for the campus area,
potentially near the Alumni Wellness center facing the campus. She said that University staff could do
the research on text and photos and installation. She will forward the contact information to staff.
8. AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING/COMMISSIONER STATEMENTS
Mr. Arnold and Mr. Buck mentioned efforts to beautify William Waters Plaza by a neighborhood group
that Mr. Arnold took part in. Mr. Arnold explained that the flower beds were planted and general clean
up took place and it has been well received and still in good shape. General discussion on the
surrounding buildings including the Washington Building took place. Mr. Buck mentioned that the City
has been receiving inquiries on the possibility of rehabbing buildings that could be eligible for tax credits
so the programs could be very useful in spurring the revitalization of not only buildings in the historic
districts but others that may be eligible on their own.
Mr. Arnold mentioned that the Acanthus Award presentation images came out very small on the monitors
and that next year we should use larger images so they are more visible.
9. ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Cummings motioned to adjourn. Motion was seconded by Ms. Brabender Mattox. Motion approved
unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
David Buck, Principal Planner