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PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
February 5, 2013
PRESENT: David Borsuk, Ed Bowen, Jeffrey Thoms, Thomas Fojtik, John Hinz, Steve Cummings,
Kathleen Propp, Donna Lohry, Robert Vajgrt, Karl Nollenberger
EXCUSED: none
STAFF: Darryn Burich, Director of Planning Services; David Buck, Principal Planner; Steve
Gohde, Assistant Director of Public Works; Allen Davis, Director of Community
Development; Steven Schwoerer, City Assessor; Deborah Foland, Recording Secretary
Chairperson Fojtik called the meeting to order at 4:00 pm. Roll call was taken and a quorum declared
present.
The minutes of January 15, 2013 were approved as presented. (Nollenberger/Vajgrt)
IA. ZONE CHANGE FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT TO C-1
NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1820
VINLAND STREET
The request is for a zone change from R-1 Single Family Residence District to C-1 Neighborhood
Business District to allow a Conditional Use request for the development of the third of three assisted
living/residential care facilities.
IB. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO DEVELOP AN ASSISTED LIVING AND
RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON 1804-1820
VINLAND STREET (NORTHEAST CORNER OF VINLAND STREET AND WEST
MURDOCK AVENUE)
The applicant is requesting a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) to develop an assisted living and
residential care facility as home for frail elderly and disabled adults, with associated site
improvements.
The above two items were presented together as the zone change and conditional use permit are
integrated as the conditional use permit is contingent upon approval of the zone change.
Mr. Bowen arrived at 4:04 pm.
Mr. Buck presented the items and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the zoning
classifications and land use in said area. He stated that the proposal is consistent with the
Comprehensive Plan with the approval of the conditional use permit and reviewed the site plan and
elevations for the development. He discussed pedestrian walkways, fencing, patio area and public
sidewalks and reviewed the conditions recommended for this request noting that condition #6 had been
added since the staff reports were mailed allowing a base standard modification for the at-grade patio
placement.
Mr. Thoms questioned if there was any intent to extend Walnut Street out to W. Murdock Avenue.
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Mr. Buck responded that there was not at this time however it was still City right-of-way.
Mr. Burich added that the petitioner was not requesting that the City vacate this right-of-way area.
Mr. Thoms also questioned if the drive access on Vinland Street was far enough back from the
intersection of Murdock Avenue and if it had sufficient width.
Mr. Buck responded affirmatively to both inquiries.
Mr. Thoms stated that the condition relating to the fence or landscape element on the north side of the
development does not provide a height and length requirement of the fencing to be installed.
Mr. Buck indicated that since the fence or landscape element was meant to serve as a screening feature
between this development and the residential use to the north, staff’s intent was to cover the entire
area. He did note that the fence could be no more than six feet high and would be required to drop
down to no more than four feet prior to reaching the drive access.
Mr. Thoms commented that he felt condition #3 should be amended to include that the fence would be
a minimum of six feet high and extend as far as the property is allowed.
Ms. Lohry stated that she did not like the parking lot located in the front of the building in a gateway to
a residential area and that it would be more aesthetically pleasing if the parking was located in the rear
of the development.
Mr. Bowen questioned under what circumstance Walnut Street would be constructed to extend to
Murdock Avenue.
Mr. Buck responded that the city had no plans to extend it unless the residents in the area requested it.
Steve Gohde, Assistant Director of Public Works, added that construction of Walnut Street was not
likely in the near future and unless fire access or traffic flow demanded it, the only other factor was if
utilities needed to be placed there.
Mr. Bowen commented that with the vacating of Walnut Street, the site plan could be reconfigured as
he did not like to orient the parking lot near the residential uses in the area.
Mr. Buck replied that the first set of plans for the development had the facility oriented in the same
fashion as the other two complexes however due to the utilities in the Walnut Street area, construction
could not be placed there and the site plans had to be reconfigured.
Mr. Gohde added that discussion also took place regarding the cul-de-sac bulb that would have to be
constructed at the terminus of Walnut Street, if vacated, which would take up too much of the
buildable area.
Tom Schertz, 1832 Vinland Street, stated that he was concerned with water issues from the drainage
for this development and did want a six foot fence along the property line however he did not want a
chain link fence. He further stated that shrubs would be great along the property line and he also had
concerns about his sump pump line in front of his house as it extends from his house into the front of
1820 Vinland Street and he does not want it damaged during this development. He stated he had an
agreement with the property owner of 1820 Vinland Street to allow his sump pump to come through
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their property and run out to the street from that point. He also commented that he was not happy with
the refuse enclosure in the front of the property and questioned if his taxes would decrease due to the
commercial use adjacent to his parcel.
Steven Schwoerer, City Assessor, responded that the property taxes should not be affected by this
development as it is not an intensive use and the value of Mr. Schertz’s property should not decrease.
Sue Schertz, 1832 Vinland Street, commented that they bought their property next to residential uses
and feels that the property will be de-valuated due to this development. She further stated that she
would prefer a solid wood fence along the property line and she had concerns as well about the
drainage from this development flowing onto their property.
Tom Schertz added that the parking lot area was going to cause runoff onto their lot and they will also
be losing a large amount of trees that are currently on the two parcels.
Mr. Thoms inquired if the storm water runoff would need to be controlled and maintained on the
development site.
Mr. Burich responded the storm water runoff should not be an issue as storm water management and
grading plans would be required to be submitted and approved by the Department of Public Works and
any storm water has to be contained within the development parcel.
Mr. Thoms then questioned the issue of Mr. Schertz’s sump pump draining through the property at
1820 Vinland Street.
Mr. Burich indicated that this was a legal matter and he could check with the City Attorney however it
appears to be an issue between the two property owners.
Mr. Thoms reiterated that condition #3 should be amended to address the fence be six feet in height.
Mr. Buck questioned if the Commission was requesting a solid fence only and no landscaping
screening element.
Mr. Hinz responded that the amendment was to address that the screening be a minimum of six feet in
height and noted that the conditions are related to Item IB only.
Motion by Nollenberger to approve the zone change from R-1 Single Family Residence District
to C-1 Neighborhood Business District for property located at 1820 Vinland Street.
Seconded by Vajgrt. Motion carried 9-0.
Motion by Vajgrt to approve the conditional use permit to develop an assisted living and
residential care facility on property located on 1804-1820 Vinland Street with the following
amended conditions:
1)Private pedestrian walk connect to a public walk on West Murdock Avenue and/or Vinland
Street.
2)Base standard modification to allow the refuse enclosure to be located in front of the building.
3)A minimum six foot high solid fence or landscape element is included at the north property line
running the full length of the lot as allowed by code to act as a screen for the development.
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4)The proposed fencing along West Murdock Avenue is adjusted to follow the placement of the
public sidewalk.
5)If wet ponds are used, the detention basins are to be designed without rip rap above the water
line and native plants to be planted on the side slopes of the basin and emergent plants on the
safety shelf with final design to be approved by the Department of Community Development.
6)Base standard modification to allow at-grade patio within 12 feet of rear lot line.
Seconded by Borsuk. Motion carried 9-0.
II. ZONE CHANGE FROM C-1 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AND R-2 TWO FAMILY RESIDENCE
DISTRICT TO R-3 MULTIPLE DWELLING DISTRICT WITH PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE 4300 BLOCK OF
JACKSON STREET
This request is for a zone change from C-1 Neighborhood Business District with Planned Development
Overlay and R-2 Two Family Residence District to R-3 Multiple Dwelling District with Planned
Development Overlay.
Mr. Burich presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the zoning
classifications and land use in said area. He also reviewed the initial site plan for a multi-family
development planned for this area which is being refined at this time and will be presented for
consideration at the next Plan Commission meeting. He further stated that the land use is consistent
with the Comprehensive Plan and reviewed the Parkview Heights preliminary plat which was
previously considered however it was never developed.
Robert McKay, 80 Kope Avenue, stated that he lived in this undeveloped area for a long time and
Kope Road is in bad condition. He commented that he checked into schools in the area as well as
vacant sites around the property prior to purchasing his home and was told that future development
would be single family homes. He recently checked with the property manager of the apartments to
the north of the proposed development site who indicated that they have a one-third to one-half percent
of their units vacant and he did not see the need for more apartments in this area. He voiced his
concerns with the development de-valuating the single family homes on Kope Avenue and stated that
he did not object to single family homes or duplexes but did not want apartment buildings in his
backyard. He further discussed that their neighborhood has experienced a lot of hardships over the
years and when the duplexes to the south came forward for approval, the neighbors all objected and the
development plans were approved regardless. He reiterated that this development will de-valuate their
properties and stated that he had deeded access to Winnebago County Park and that this development
could not interfere with his access. He also discussed his concerns with safety issues from the
apartment complex’s tenants and that he would like his neighborhood to grow with single family
homes and not apartments.
Peter Lang and Grant Schwab were present representing the developers for the proposal. Mr. Lang
stated that they do have access for five feet along the development for sidewalks extending to
Winnebago County Park and their development contains a lot of green space in its plans. He further
stated that all the units would have attached garages and would be a good development for the
community.
Ms. Propp questioned if they owned Kope Avenue as it was not a public street.
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Mr. Schwab responded that Kope Avenue was owned by his father who was working with First
National Bank to resolve the issues regarding its condition.
Mr. Burich added that Kope Avenue is a private road and it would be required to be extended an
additional 30 feet in width to make it a public street that would be maintained by the city.
Ms. Propp then questioned if there would be access to the potential development from the north.
Mr. Burich responded affirmatively.
Mr. Schwab stated that the detention pond included on their development site would help alleviate
flooding issues in the area as well as the large amount of green space to be incorporated on the site. He
further stated that they are not developing as many units as possible on the site and the layout of the
development places the apartment buildings as far as possible from the existing homes on Kope
Avenue.
Mr. Cummings inquired about the size of the trees for the potential development.
Mr. Burich responded that the size and quantities of landscaping are dictated by code requirements.
Mr. Buck added that the zone change was the only item being considered today and the planned
development would be coming forward for discussion at the next Plan Commission meeting.
Mr. Schwab commented that the area being requested for the zone change was currently zoned R-2
Two Family Residence District and C-1 Neighborhood Business District and not R-1 Single Family
Residence District.
Mr. Cummings questioned if anyone has reviewed the market research supporting the need for the
apartment development.
Mr. Schwab indicated that their company has a 0 to 2% vacancy rate in their apartments and these
units will rent for $700-$800 per month and will be occupied by nice tenants.
Mr. Burich added that the city does not typically look at market research for a development project
unless the city is investing money in the project as part of a tax incremental financing district.
Motion by Bowen to approve the zone change from C-1 Neighborhood Business District with
planned development overlay and R-2 Two Family Residence District to R-3 Multiple Dwelling
District with planned development overlay for property located at the 4300 block of Jackson
Street.
Seconded by Borsuk. Motion carried 9-0.
III. PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED CREATION OF TAX INCREMENT DISTRICT
#26 AVIATION BUSINESS PARK: DESIGNATION OF BOUNDARIES AND
APPROVAL OF PROJECT PLAN
TID #26 is being proposed to facilitate the creation of a new industrial park on the City’s southeast
side adjacent to Wittman Regional Airport. The new 82 acre industrial park will be named the
Aviation Business Park with the intent of marketing the park for aviation related industry due to
proximity and direct access to the airport facility.
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The Project Plan includes a statement listing the kind, number, and location of proposed
improvements. It contains an economic feasibility study, a detailed list of estimated project costs and
timing of those costs as well as a method of financing. The Project Plan identifies various district costs
with the majority of costs going into physical development of public infrastructure within the park
estimated at approximately $4.5 million.
Mr. Cummings left at 4:55 pm.
Mr. Buck presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area and the details of the project
plan. He described how the public improvements would be handled and reviewed the site plan for the
proposed business park. He stated that the land use was consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and
discussed the job creation that would be generated due to the development of the industrial park.
Mr. Borsuk inquired what the area was designated for as far as land use in the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Burich responded that the area was designated for manufacturing use from the area of the
proposed industrial park and to the south with the only residential area being located to the east. This
was reflected in the current and previous Comprehensive Plans.
Mr. Borsuk commented that the area had been designated for manufacturing use since the 1990’s.
Mr. Thoms questioned if anything had changed since the 90’s that would cause concerns such as
limitations on height of buildings near the airport.
Mr. Burich indicated that it was rated as an Air Three zone and prohibited new residential uses in this
area however height limitations were not significant.
Mr. Fojtik inquired what type of uses would be allowed in the district.
Mr. Buck responded that the district would have an M-3 General Industrial District zoning
classification with a planned development overlay.
Mr. Fojtik questioned if the area would be limited to airport industry uses only.
Mr. Burich replied that it would not and that it may develop slower than normal industrial parks
however there is a demand and necessity for industrial lands adjacent to the airport.
Mr. Thoms commented that he thought it sounded similar to a deal that Winnebago County recently
turned down.
Mr. Burich indicated that the land area is being brought into the city and will be going to the Common
Council for action on annexation at their next meeting.
Mr. Thoms questioned if the access for the runway would be going through County property.
Mr. Burich responded affirmatively.
Ms. Propp commented that the numbers in the project plan were smaller than she anticipated.
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Mr. Burich indicated that it was due to the fact that the land was valued as agricultural lands and thus
significantly reduced in value to this agricultural use exemption.
Mr. Bowen commented that Red Oak Court was a residential island in the Town of Nekimi and
questioned if the approval for this subdivision came through the extraterritorial process of review.
Mr. Burich replied that he did not know as it was developed prior to his employment with the City but
it could not be replicated now as the recommended land use plans for the area surrounding it are
manufacturing uses only.
Mr. Bowen commented that we should be sensitive to the property values of the residential uses in this
area and could consider relocating the detention basin planned for the industrial park as well as being
aware of the residential uses when developing the park.
Mr. Fojtik opened the public hearing for comment at 5:07 pm.
John Terzynski, Red Oak Court, stated that when he purchased his property he was concerned with
good neighbors and he felt the detention basin should be turned to buffer the residents on Red Oak
Court. He further stated that homes were built and lot layouts were changed afterward and the City has
created a residential island in this area. He was looking for neighbors who will respect their properties
and property values and the industrial park will not be attractive and he would like to see large buffers
protecting their residences. The City is moving into their neighborhood and pushing too much into this
area and heavy industrial uses without restrictions are not good for the residents on Red Oak Court.
He felt that bike paths and sidewalks should be installed with green space as a component. He voiced
his concerns with more traffic in their neighborhood and commented on the number of business
buildings that existed within the city that are unoccupied.
Larry Last, 3827 Red Oak Court, questioned if the city has purchased the property and stated that an
aviation park is not a good business venture at this time. He also questioned if the property has been
annexed into the city and suggested that more research be done on it. He stated his concerns with what
kind of provisions would be made to mitigate noise and garbage issues, etc. and that it would change
their rural lifestyle. The airport was there when he bought his house but he felt their residential uses
needed some protection.
Mr. Bowen left at 5:18 pm.
Allen Davis, Director of Community Development, stated that the City and County have accepted
offers which would be proceeding to the Common Council at the end of February or the beginning of
March and the annexation of the lands was in progress now.
William Schumacher, 253 Brenland Road, stated that he built his house 25 years ago when the area
was rural and he moved out there to get away from the noise, flooding, and other problems in the city.
He felt the plans coming about now were frustrating and questioned where the road coming off of
Oregon Street extending to the west would be located.
Mr. Buck responded that the road would be going through an area that is currently farm land.
Mr. Schumacher then stated he had concerns with being annexed into the city.
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Mr. Burich explained the process of attachments according to the boundary agreement with the City
and the Town of Nekimi which entails a ten year delay to attach a property to the City when 70% of
the surrounding lands are within the City for certain sections of the Town.
Mr. Schumacher commented that there were water problems in this area and displayed the area on the
map where the water flowed when flooding occurred. He questioned if it will go into the detention
basin in the proposed industrial park and if it will be capable of containing it. He also voiced his
concerns with noise, lights, and traffic issues and commented that he was disappointed in these
developments. He felt the expansion area was disturbing and the layout for the perimeter of the airport
had changed. He questioned if the City was going to buy out their properties to the east of the
industrial park and felt that a berm could be considered to protect their residences. He also commented
about his taxes going up and flooding concerns.
Mr. Davis indicated that the storm water would all be directed to the detention basin which will control
the runoff and direct it toward Ripple Road therefore not flooding any neighboring properties. The
planned development overlay zoning designation will allow development to be reviewed by the Plan
Commission and Common Council at which time adjacent property owners concerns could be
addressed.
Mr. Thoms inquired if any considerations were given to protect the housing subdivision.
Mr. Davis responded that the detention basin’s location was based on the topography of the area and its
planned location was the low point in said area.
Mr. Thoms also inquired if the industrial park gets planned as an overall property or is it reviewed and
approved as each development comes in.
Mr. Davis replied that the City has no developments planned for the park at this time and the only
improvements we are aware of are shown on the map. The detention basin needs to be located as far
as possible from the airport and the road is the only other improvement to be done by the City. There
are no specifications on design or green space at this time.
Mr. Thoms felt that the City should look at laying out boundaries of the district rather than wait until
development comes along to deal with it.
Ms. Lohry questioned what the distance was from the cul-de-sac on Brenland Road to the proposed
industrial park.
Mr. Davis responded that the proposed industrial park would be approximately 1700 feet from Oregon
Street therefore about 400 feet from the cul-de-sac.
Ms. Lohry commented that something needs to be done to provide a buffer area for the residential
uses.
Mr. Davis replied that there is a well established tree line in this area as well as wetlands present on the
site.
Mr. Hinz questioned if the County owns the land to the west of the proposed industrial park, how much
input will the City have on it.
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Mr. Davis indicated that the County would require the City’s approval for a conditional use permit for
proposed uses in this area.
Terry Wesenberg, south of Brenland Road, questioned who was going to maintain the property while
waiting for it to be developed.
Mr. Burich responded that some industrial park land is typically leased for farming purposes before
development occurs depending on the circumstances.
Marty Waite, 4601 Oregon Street, stated he owns property to the south of the proposed industrial park
area and the water issues discussed previously extend to the south as well.
Sheree Zellner, 3669 Oregon Street, commented that the neighborhood used to be quiet and now they
are surrounded by industrial uses and described some of the businesses located in the area. She further
stated that the original aviation plan was to be utilized for aviation purposes however the industries that
have moved into the area are not aviation related. She also voiced her concerns with traffic flow and
Oregon Street going from four lanes to two lanes near their house and what is going to happen to the
road situation with more traffic in the neighborhood. She felt there were safety issues to be addressed.
Bart Brouillette, 3891 Red Oak Court, stated that he had some of the same concerns as his neighbors
and assumed their properties will be annexed into the city eventually.
Eric Dvorachek, 3843 Red Oak Court, stated that he did not receive a notice about the proposed TID
district and that he heard about it from one of his neighbors. He commented that the city shouldn’t
wait until development happens to plan on being good neighbors.
Linda Schumacher, 253 Brenland Road, stated that she was concerned with the water flow from this
development as flooding was an issue in this area and the factories and additional roadway will make
the flooding issues worse. She questioned if the City would be paying for damages if her basement
floods and stated her concerns about her well. She also commented about the workers that would be
employed at these establishments and where they would be going during lunch and if they would be
trespassing on residential properties in the area. She felt that since there could be 1500 workers on this
site, that safety issues should be a concern. She also commented that she didn’t get a meeting notice
regarding this either and she thought this area was to remain residential.
Mr. Fojtik closed the public hearing at 5:50 pm.
Mr. Thoms questioned if each development would be required to have detention basin facilities.
Mr. Burich responded that in industrial parks there is a regional detention basin that serves the entire
park and runoff from each individual site need to be directed to the basin.
Mr. Thoms then questioned how we know if the basin is going to adequately handle all the storm water
runoff from each site.
Mr. Gohde replied that an assumption is made based on the amount of buildable area and each
development is allowed to pave areas based on a percentage of that and further described the process of
how this is calculated.
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Mr. Thoms commented that the Commission needs to look at if this is appropriate land use and not the
financial end of this proposal but stated that he was disappointed by the way industrial parks are
developed. He felt the City should strategically develop topography before properties are sold and
developed as it would allow the development to flow better with the surrounding area. He also
commented that he had issues with using a large amount of general obligation debt for this project.
Ms. Lohry questioned how the 80 acres of land in the proposed industrial park will be divided.
Mr. Burich responded that in most industrial parks the area is left as one large parcel until lots are sold
for development.
Ms. Lohry then questioned if the City could make the area into a park while waiting for the area to be
developed.
Mr. Burich indicated that this would add significant costs to the debt for this project and it is all site
graded currently and engineering sites prior to development beginning would not be practical. The
planned development overlay will help control what is developed on these lands and the basic
perimeters are laid out only at this time.
Mr. Nollenberger commented that there could be design standards added for landscaping for proposed
industrial parks.
Mr. Borsuk stated that the Commission should be considering if this is a good plan and if it is
consistent with the City’s Comprehensive Plan and there would be time to consider other details at a
later date. The industrial park has covenants and could develop additional covenants if necessary and
hopefully will have aviation industry business willing to develop these sites.
Motion by Borsuk to approve Tax Increment District #26 Aviation Business Park designation of
boundaries and approval of the project plan.
Seconded by Vajgrt. Motion carried 8-0.
Mr. Hinz commented that the planned development overlay gives the city a lot of control over future
development and approval of the boundaries and project plan for the district is basic planning at this
point and new residential uses in this area is not an option near the airport.
Ms. Lohry stated that she would support this request with reservations as she felt it was time to start
looking at plans with a more aesthetic view.
Mr. Thoms commented that staff needs to start taking things such as design standards into
consideration regarding neighboring properties and the approval of the industrial park without more
specific guidelines leaves most decisions for future Plan Commission members to undertake.
Mr. Fojtik stated that the Commission can look at other industrial park areas in the city when
considering future development plans for this area.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at approximately 6:08 pm. (Vajgrt/Hinz)
Respectfully submitted,
Darryn Burich
Director of Planning Services
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