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PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
October 16, 2012
PRESENT: Ed Bowen, Jeffrey Thoms, Thomas Fojtik, John Hinz, Steve Cummings, Kathleen
Propp, Robert Vajgrt, Karl Nollenberger
EXCUSED: David Borsuk, Donna Lohry
STAFF: Darryn Burich, Director of Planning Services; David Buck, Principal Planner; Raymond
Maurer, Director of Parks; Bradley Larson, Director of Museum; Deborah Foland,
Recording Secretary
Chairperson Fojtik called the meeting to order at 4:00 pm. Roll call was taken and a quorum declared
present.
The minutes of October 2, 2012 were approved as presented. (Vajgrt/Bowen)
I. APPROVE THE CITY OF OSHKOSH MENOMINEE PARK MASTER PLAN
The City Parks Department and Advisory Parks Board requests the Plan Commission provide a
recommendation of approval for the Draft City of Oshkosh Menominee Park Master Plan to the
Common Council.
Mr. Buck presented the item and stated that the Outdoor Recreation Plan was updated in 2011 and
contained a recommendation for Menominee Park to have its own master plan created. He reviewed a
site plan of the park area and stated that the master plan was consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.
Raymond Maurer, Director of Parks, stated that the process began last fall when a firm was hired to
help develop the Outdoor Recreation Plan. The Menominee Park Master Plan began with the
completion of the needs assessments process along with surveys completed by citizens. A lot of public
input was received from surveys as well as public meetings to discuss the master plan with residents in
addition to Parks Board meetings. He also discussed the plan with various groups in the city that
utilize the park and the Parks Board unanimously recommended approval of the master plan. He
reviewed various graphs and features of the park and stated that residents desired to keep some of the
park area that is currently open space preserved as such. He discussed the history of the park as well
as inventory and other features of the area. He reviewed the site plan including current and future
features of the park area with the future features being planned for in the Capital Improvement Plan for
future years. He also discussed the enhancement or extension of the trails within the park as well as
the ball fields, parking areas, and Ames Point. The shoreland areas were also discussed as far as the
native plantings which will be reviewed in 2014 prior to any expansion of this program.
Mr. Hinz questioned if Miller’s Bay was the largest boat landing in the city.
Mr. Maurer responded that it is the busiest boat landing.
Mr. Hinz commented that since the Boys and Girls Club was no longer going to be operating
concessions in the park was another organization lined up to take over these responsibilities.
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Mr. Maurer replied that it was being discussed with the Recreation Department and they were still
working out the details as far as the concession stands.
Mr. Hinz also questioned how closing off ball diamonds or the possible loss of the Sawdust Days event
would affect the park.
Mr. Maurer indicated that the upcoming renovations were discussed with all the organizations involved
that hold activities at the park.
Mr. Thoms inquired about the request to approve the master plan as it does not contain a time frame or
any information as to how the plan gets updated or any mention of the types of funding sources that
would be possibly sought to pay for the proposed renovations.
Mr. Maurer responded that the Menominee Park Master Plan was an insert into the Outdoor Recreation
Plan and not a stand alone document. The entire plan addresses grant options and the Parks Board will
prioritize projects based on funding availability. He further commented that improvements for all the
City’s parks are included in the entire plan and updates are referenced in this plan as well. The
Menominee Park Master Plan addresses only this park and South Park will also have a master plan
developed by next year.
Mr. Bowen questioned if the weed management in the bay areas had a separate plan adopted to address
these issues.
Mr. Maurer replied that the Sustainability Advisory Board and other plans address this issue and it is
contained on page 7 of the master plan.
Helen Herlache, 1029 Hazel Street, stated that she has lived at her residence for 20 years and has
checked out the previous plan for Menominee Park and there was to be no organized sports on the
north side of Siewert Trail. She further commented that since field #8 and the soccer field have been
installed on the north side of the park, it has ruined their neighborhood. There are less teams
participating than last year and their street has lots of traffic and the children crossing the street are
creating a safety hazard. Field #8 was never approved by any City board when it was developed and
the soccer field was approved without the knowledge of the adjacent property owners. She also
discussed the reorientation of field #8 and the talk of installing permanent fencing and lighting in these
areas which she objected to and felt it was unfair since the homeowners in this area pay higher
assessments on their property due to its close proximity to the lake. She also discussed the Recreation
Department’s plans to attempt to hold state tournaments at the park and voiced her concern that these
activities should be relocated. She suggested other properties in the area that could host these
tournaments and also suggested charging user fees for use of the park area to these organizations. She
also commented about the many sources of funding available and that many of the participants
utilizing the park are not from Oshkosh. She voiced her concern that the master plan does not protect
the adjacent property owners, the children using the park, or the aesthetic values of the park.
Jerry Diemel, 1706 Doty Street, representative of the Recreation Department Softball Commission,
stated that they had requested a fence for safety purposes for the softball league and had utilized a
portable fence at one time. He further commented that the participants in the softball tournaments love
the park area and its amenities.
Ms. Propp offered her thanks to the Parks Board and Raymond Maurer for their effort in this master
plan as it prevents inappropriate improvements to the park area. She further stated that she appreciates
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that there is no permanent fencing by the Webster Stanley School area as it would prevent other uses of
the park by students who utilize this area and that she felt that portable fencing would be more
appropriate. She realizes that the Recreation Department wants more ball fields and she felt the City
and Town needs to get together to develop other sites for this use and that fencing and lighting should
not encroach on the park area. She did feel that the document presented was an excellent plan to
manage the City’s largest park.
Mr. Fojtik stated that the plan addresses the issue that certain parks in the community garner specific
attention regarding their facilities management.
Mr. Thoms commented that certain elements of the plan give rise to concerns however the Parks Board
has input to develop features as funding is available and the master plan provides the framework to
start with. Community groups that utilize the park area can come back to the Parks Board as features
are developed if they have concerns they wish to address.
Motion by Vajgrt to approve the City of Oshkosh Menominee Park Master Plan.
Seconded by Bowen. Motion carried 8-0.
IIA. ZONE CHANGE FROM R-1C SINGLE FAMILY CENTRAL RESIDENCE DISTRICT
TO R-1C PD SINGLE FAMILY CENTRAL RESIDENCE DISTRICT WITH A
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AT 1331 ALGOMA BOULEVARD
(OSHKOSH PUBLIC MUSEUM)
This request involves a zone change from R-1C Single Family Central Residence District to R-1C PD
Single Family Central Residence District with a Planned Development Overlay (PD). The subject area
being zoned residential (R-1C) significantly restricts any site changes/improvements or new
construction on the property. The intent of the zone change is to bring the zoning into conformance
with the current historical development on the property and the PD will be in place to ensure that any
proposed changes to the use of the property be reviewed under the public hearing process while
providing the ability for adjustments to zoning standards that are unique to the historic use of the land.
IIB: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT/DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW FOR THE USE
AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE OSHKOSH PUBLIC MUSEUM AT 1331
ALGOMA BOULEVARD
The petitioner requests approval of a Conditional Use Permit/Development Plan for the existing
museum facility as well as improvements included in its master plan.
Mr. Buck presented the items and stated that they would be discussed together as they were closely
related and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the zoning classifications and land use in
said area. He stated that the Museum has been operating at this site since 1924 and is part of the
historic district in this area. He explained that the request was very similar to the one approved last
year to rezone the Paine Art Center’s property as both the Museum and the Paine are grandfathered
uses for which a conditional use permit brings the existing use into conformance with City code
standards and is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. He reviewed the main improvements that
the Museum was planning to complete in the future which were alterations to the entrance drive and
parking facility, outdoor displays/features and structure additions, walkway system and landscaping,
and signage for the site. He discussed the relocation of the Algoma Boulevard access drive and that
the three drive accesses would require an access control variance however it would increase pedestrian
safety. He also discussed the limitation of parking in this area and the Museum’s desire to create an
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aesthetically pleasing environment around the structure. He reviewed the conceptual plans for the
outdoor features proposed to be added and that since accessory structures are not allowed to be placed
in the front yard, a base standard modification would be necessary as the Museum property possesses
three front yards. He also reviewed the walkway system proposed and discussed the limited signage
allowed on the site due to its R-1 zoning classification. He explained that the Museum was proposing
to relocate the entrance sign and add two directional signs on High Avenue. He also reviewed the
conditions recommended for this request.
Mr. Thoms questioned if the zoning classification for current use of the Museum property was
nonconforming.
Mr. Buck responded that it is considered a legal nonconforming use.
Mr. Thoms then questioned if the R-1C zoning classification with a Planned Development overlay
would bring the Museum into a conforming use.
Mr. Buck responded affirmatively.
Mr. Thoms also inquired if the base standard modifications for the access control variance and
setbacks were to address current issues on the site or future features planned for it.
Mr. Buck indicated that the base standard modifications were meant to address both current and future
features of the Museum’s site.
Mr. Thoms voiced his concern about approving new features at the Museum with the CUP/PD
approval without knowing what all of them may be.
Mr. Buck replied that any major changes to the submitted plan will have to come back to the Plan
Commission and Common Council for an amendment to the CUP/PD.
Mr. Thoms also voiced his concern about the use of the base standard modification for allowing
signage as if the property was zoned C-1 Neighborhood Business Zoning District as he felt the signage
could be further restricted if necessary and did not wish to set precedence for other requests.
Mr. Buck suggested that condition #3 be modified by adding “as proposed within submitted
application packet” which would require the signage to come back for further review if it is revised at a
later date.
Emily Richardson, 1301 Algoma Boulevard, stated that she lives next to the Museum and has reviewed
the new plan and is in support of it. She would like to see the Museum become a destination for
residents and tourists and felt that the relocation of the driveway would make navigating the site less
confusing.
Ms. Propp questioned if the relocation of the driveway on Algoma Boulevard would restrict on street
parking in that area.
Bradley Larson, Director of Museum, responded that there would be the loss of two parking spaces on
Algoma Boulevard.
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Ms. Propp also questioned if the City owns the triangular property adjacent to the Museum where the
hiker’s monument is located as the plantings in that area are beautiful.
Mr. Buck indicated that the property was owned by the Paine Art Center.
Mr. Cummings commented that he felt the plan was long overdue as the Museum does not get utilized
to its full potential at this time.
Motion by Nollenberger to approve the zone change from R-1C Single Family Central
Residence District to R-1C PD Single Family Central Residence District with a planned
development overlay at 1331 Algoma Boulevard.
Seconded by Propp. Motion carried 8-0.
Motion by Thoms to approve the conditional use permit/planned development for the Oshkosh
Public Museum with the following conditions:
1)Base standard modification allowing three driveways to the property.
2)Base standard modification as depicted within the master plan proposal:
a.Allow parking count as depicted on the proposed plan.
b.Pavilion front yard setback of 19 feet from Congress Avenue.
c.Existing parking area front yard setback of 15 feet from High Avenue.
d.Parking rear yard setback of 10 feet from west lot line.
e.Six foot masonry wall within front yard setback on Congress Avenue and High Avenue.
f.Accessory structures in front of the primary structure’s front facade.
3)Base standard modification to regulate building and ground signage for the property as if it
were in a C-1: Neighborhood Business Zoning District as proposed within the submitted
application packet.
Seconded by Nollenberger. Motion carried 8-0.
Ms. Propp commented that she was pleased to see two major plans approved at one meeting and the
City should help to see that they are implemented.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at approximately 5:08 pm. (Vajgrt/Propp)
Respectfully submitted,
Darryn Burich
Director of Planning Services
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