HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutesPLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
June 21, 2011
PRESENT: David Borsuk, Jeffrey Thorns, Thomas Fojtik, John Hinz, Steve Cummings, Kathleen
Propp, Dennis McHugh, Robert Vajgrt, Karl Nollenberger
EXCUSED: Ed Bowen, Donna Lohry
STAFF: Darryn Burich, Director of Planning Services; David Buck, Principal Planner; Jeffrey
Nau, Associate Planner; Chris Strong, Director of Transportation; Deborah Foland,
Recording Secretary
Chairperson Fojtik called the meeting to order at 4:00 pm. Roll call was taken and a quorum declared
present.
The minutes of June 7, 2011 were approved as presented. (VajgrtBorsuk)
L GRANT PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENT AT 2175 PUNHOQUA STREET
(MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE)
Wisconsin Public Service Corporation is requesting a private utility easement located at the southwest
corner of Lakeshore Municipal Golf Course.
Mr. Nau presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the easement
location and explained that the easement request was for the placement of underground utilities. He
further stated that the Parks Advisory Board unanimously approved of this request and a condition was
recommended to be added that if the City needs any of the utilities to be relocated, it would be at the
expense of the petitioner.
Mr. Thorns questioned what effect it would have on the hotel adjacent to the site.
Mr. Nau responded that it would not have any impact on that property.
Motion by Nollenberger to approve granting a private utility easement at 2175 Punhoqua
Street (Municipal Golf Course) as requested with the following condition:
1) If the City requires any utilities to be relocated, it would be at the expense of the petitioner.
Seconded by Vajgrt. Motion carried 9 -0.
II. REVIEW OF A CONDITIONAL USE/PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR A LIMITED
VENUE FESTIVAL SITE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF RIPPLE
ROAD AND S. WASHBURN STREET
City administration is requesting review of a Conditional Use/Planned Development granted on July
26, 2005 for a limited venue festival site (Ford Festival Park) located in the City of Oshkosh and Town
of Nekimi with ingress /egress, parking and camping uses located within the City portion of the site.
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Mr. Burich presented the item and stated that the Commission could discuss the matter today or lay the
item over until the next meeting as this year's event is starting today and the event organizer and
Oshkosh Police representatives could not be present. The City is attempting to improve safety issues
at the event which received conditional use permit approval in 2005. He reviewed the site and
surrounding area and stated that the site is located in both the Town of Nekimi and the City of
Oshkosh. He discussed the history of the event and the issues created from walking to the site from
various satellite parking areas around the festival grounds. There was one incident from last year when
two pedestrians were struck by a vehicle and he was working with the Police Department and Dan
Liebhauser, the event organizer, to address safety issues. It was determined that increased law
enforcement presence, reduced speed limits, and additional lighting would make the event safer for
pedestrians. Road improvements were not being recommended for Washburn Street at this time as
property owners would have to be assessed for these improvements.
Mr. Buck discussed the press release that was included in the staff report and the newspaper article
distributed at the meeting regarding the use of arm bands this year that would be required to be
purchased by any festival attendees entering the grounds on foot to discourage parking in surrounding
areas rather than on the festival grounds.
Mr. Burich added that the approved conditional use permit expires in 2016 and the review at this time
was to determine if any additional conditions needed to be added, especially to increase the safety of
the event. He reviewed the conditions for this request and reiterated that the Commission could move
forward with the item tonight or wait until the next Plan Commission meeting on July 5 th to see how
effective the recommended implementations were and adjust the conditions if necessary.
Mr. Borsuk inquired what the date was for the next scheduled event for the festival grounds.
Mr. Burich responded that Rock USA was scheduled for mid -July and if Plan Commission reviewed
the item at its July 5 th meeting, it would move forward to the Common Council on July 12 The
Police Department would have more experience with the event after this week since the recommended
conditions were being implemented for additional law enforcement and lighting. He inquired if the
reduced speed limit had been implemented.
Chris Strong, Director of Transportation, stated that it had not yet been done, but could still be
addressed this week.
Mr. Burich asked the Commission if they desired to lay the item over for two weeks and receive an
update of the safety improvement plan effectiveness.
Ms. Propp questioned if all the elements mentioned in the staff report were being implemented at the
event this week.
Mr. Burich replied that the additional lighting and enhanced law enforcement were already in place
with the reduced speed limit to be implemented later this week. The electronic message boards were
not yet addressed.
Mr. McHugh inquired if the additional lighting was street lights or portable lighting.
Mr. Burich responded that the additional lighting was for temporary use only so it was in the form of
portable lighting.
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Mr. McHugh commented that portable lighting was not effective and he felt that having citizens
walking in the street and ditch along Washburn Street was deplorable. He felt that the opposition to
additional assessments to property owners along Washburn Street for road improvements should not be
a consideration and the dangers posed for pedestrians was a liability to the City. He did not feel that
safety should be aside to the desires of property owners to not be assessed for road improvements in
the area.
Mr. Burich replied that the Common Council removed the street improvements from the Capital
Improvement Program budget last year due to property owners' objections.
Mr. McHugh also commented that he did not believe that the Police Department was doing anything
effective to protect the safety of pedestrians during the event.
Mr. Hinz commented that the Plan Commission and Common Council approved a satellite parking site
for the Par 3 Golf Course this spring which requires pedestrians to walk to the festival grounds from
this site. He felt that there was no continuity in this process as it seems this approval is creating the
climate for additional problems in this situation.
Mr. Burich stated that the City is requesting improvements to improve safety for the event and the
additional police presence should address safety concerns.
Mr. McHugh commented that the posted speed limits are too excessive on Washburn Street.
Mr. Hinz stated that he felt that hanging lights that flash could be utilized to improve safety concerns.
Mr. Burich added that temporarily lowering the speed limits from 45 mph to 25 mph during the event
should help.
Mr. Strong added that the Sign Division will replace the 45 mph signs with 25 mph during the event
between Highway 26 and 44 and that it would be compliant signage which is enforceable.
Mr. Thorns commented that if electronic signage could be put in place, he felt it would be more
effective and questioned when Washburn Street would go back into the CIP budget for improvements.
Mr. Burich responded that Washburn Street improvements were removed last year and he was not
aware if there were any plans to put the improvements back in the budget in the future.
Mr. Strong added that the Police Department had some electronic signs that were used by schools
periodically and the size should be adequate for this area. If larger electronic signs were desirable,
they would have to be purchased.
Mr. Buck stated that the event organizer, police and traffic department representatives discussed this
matter and condition #3 requiring temporary message boards to be utilized with flashing electronic
messages were meant to address the concerns.
Mr. Borsuk commented that if parking off -site and walking to the festival grounds was creating issues,
he suggested that buses could be utilized to transport pedestrians to the site.
Mr. Burich responded that this matter was discussed and there were shuttles utilized and additional
ones could be established.
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Mr. McHugh questioned the width of Washburn Street.
Mr. Burich replied that he believed it was 80 feet wide.
Mr. McHugh suggested that fencing be placed along the roadway to prohibit pedestrians from walking
in the street.
Mr. Burich responded that the issue was discussed and it would require two miles of fencing along
Washburn Street and the City only has control of the area in the right -of -way and could not place
fencing on private property. He further commented that chain link fencing does not have the ability to
stop a moving vehicle.
Mr. Strong added that chain link fencing is not considered crash worthy as it not only does not stop a
moving vehicle but could become a projectile when struck making the situation more dangerous.
Mr. Burich added that street lights cannot be installed on a temporary basis and they have looked at a
number of options to address the lighting concerns.
Mr. Hinz questioned if traffic was still one way during events at the festival grounds.
Mr. Burich replied that some of the traffic patterns were changed in the area in cooperation with the
State Patrol and Oshkosh Police Department.
Mr. Borsuk felt that Commission members could delay commentary until it is decided if we are laying
the request over until the July 5 th meeting and that we need to bring up concerns that could be
addressed at that time.
Mr. Thorns felt that enhancements for major events such as this one should be addressed by the City
and costs be borne by the City for street improvements rather than the property owners. He believed
that the City needs to encourage these types of events and the temporary measures could be utilized
until permanent ones could be set in place to address issues.
Mr. Burich commented that property owners with adjacent land to the festival site are in favor of the
Country USA event but are concerned with the costs for the road improvements. There is no
immediate crisis in the area at this time and the City is just attempting to improve the safety of the
event. Road improvements should be done at some point however we do not know when it could be
financed.
Mr. Cummings stated that he believed that pedestrians will still walk in the roadway even if sidewalks
were installed and the current events scheduled at the site may not be held here on a permanent basis.
Chuck Koehler, Appleton, representing Dan Liebhauser the event organizer, stated that he was not
aware of any crisis at this time and that the event had an excellent safety record. They have been
cooperating with both the Police Department and Planning Division staff in both the City of Oshkosh
and Town of Nekimi and would like to see what happens with the new safety measures in place. He
further stated that there was cost prohibitive concerns with what might work and there was ample
parking on the grounds for all event attendees. He did not believe it was wise to encourage people to
park at satellite sites and felt that there was some benefit to delaying this request until the next meeting
as there seemed to be a strong cooperative effort made between all parties to address the safety
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concerns. He felt that some costs should be borne by property owners offering the satellite parking
locations for the event and reducing these sites would be beneficial. He believed that reducing the
speed limit was the most beneficial safety improvement.
Mr. Borsuk inquired if the event was covered under the special events policy enacted by the City.
Mr. Koehler was not aware if the event was covered under the policy however Mr. Burich did not
believe that it was.
Mr. Koehler commented that there was an enormous amount of revenue to the city generated by this
event and there was a community wide economic benefit from it.
Motion by Vajgrt to lay over the conditional use /planned development review for a limited
venue festival site located at the southwest corner of Ripple Road and S. Washburn Street as
requested with the following conditions:
1) Traffic safety plan is instituted, as discussed in this report, with approval by the
Oshkosh Police Department.
2) Public costs incurred instituting the traffic safety plans are reimbursed by the event
organizer, as approved by the Oshkosh Police Department.
3) The approach /apron to the facility within the right -of -way is paved by 2012.
Seconded by Borsuk.
Ms. Propp commented that the timing of this review is horrible.
Mr. Thorns stated that as there are other issues that need to be addressed, would other staff be present
at the next meeting.
Mr. Burich responded that representatives of the Police Department, Transportation Department and
Dan Liebhauser should be present.
Mr. Thorns questioned how the road improvement issues would be addressed and whether the costs
would be budgeted in the CIP.
Mr. Burich replied that this issue should be addressed separately as future development for the area
would have to be considered.
Mr. Cummings stated that the CIP costs for this project could be reviewed.
Motion carried 9 -0.
Commission members decided to discuss both Item IIIA and IIIB as one item as they are contingent
upon each other.
IIIA. ZONE CHANGE FROM R -1C SINGLE FAMILY CENTRAL RESIDENCE DISTRICT
TO R -1C PD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT WITH A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AT 1428 ALGOMA BOULVARD
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Zone change from R -1C Single Family Central Residence District to R -1C PD Single Family Central
Residence District with a Planned Development Overlay. The subject parcel, being zoned residential
(R -1C), significantly restricts any major structural improvements or new construction on the property.
The intent of the zone change is to bring the zoning into conformance with the development on the
adjacent Paine Art and Gardens property to the south and east while the PD designation will be in
place to ensure that any proposed changes to the use or layout of the property be reviewed under the
public hearing process.
IIIB. DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT REVIEW FOR THE USE AND
DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PAINE ART CENTER AND GARDENS MUSEUM,
ART CENTER AND COMMUNITY CENTER AT 1410 ALGOMA AND 1428
ALGOMA BOULEVARD
The petitioner requests approval of a Development Plan amendment to include the property at 1428
Algoma Boulevard into the existing Paine Planned Development; remove the existing single - family
home from the site and replace it with a parking lot; remove the circular drop -off area; and replace a
tented outdoor event area with a permanent multi - purpose building.
Mr. Buck presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area and discussed the rezoning
request to incorporate the parcel at 1428 Algoma Boulevard into the planned development. He
discussed the history of both properties on the site and stated that the Paine had purchased the property
at 1428 Algoma Boulevard in April and reviewed a map of the historic districts in the city. He
discussed the CUP/PD approval granted to the Paine Art Center last year and that the development
plan amendment was for the expansion of the PD to include 1428 Algoma Boulevard, the construction
of a new parking lot, removal of the designated drop -off area, and the addition of a new multi - purpose
conservatory building attached to the existing carriage house. He also discussed the historic relevance
of the existing home at 1428 Algoma Boulevard and the Paine's desire to relocate it. The request was
presented to the Landmarks Commission who recommended approval of the request with conditions
which were also reviewed. Mr. Buck also discussed the effect on the historic district if the home was
relocated as well as the parking needs for the Paine and he reviewed the conditions recommended for
the planned development amendment. He reviewed the site plan for the parking lot and the traffic
movements through said lot which would eliminate parking on the street in the area surrounding the
Paine. He also discussed the base standard modifications for the additional driveway, the
ingress /egress for the parking lot, and the addition of the conservatory building to replace the outdoor
event area. He reviewed the elevations for the carriage house addition and discussed the architectural
details of the structure.
Mr. Nollenberger left the meeting at S: 00 pm.
Mr. Borsuk stated that the home at 1428 Algoma Boulevard was listed on the National Register of
Historic Places and questioned if the previous owner had registered it.
Mr. Buck responded negatively.
Mr. Cummings commented that it was a William Waters house.
Mr. Hinz inquired if there were concerns with the ingress /egress of the driveway onto Algoma
Boulevard, would the item have to come back to the Plan Commission to be reconsidered when the
University moves forward with their reconstruction plans involving Algoma Boulevard.
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Mr. Buck replied that any adjustments to the driveway could be addressed through the administrative
review process.
Mr. Thorns questioned why the zoning classification was being changed to R -1 as he felt it should be
changed to a proper designation since the Paine was not a residential use.
Mr. Buck responded that other than the Paine and the Public Museum, the land use in the area was
residential and to change the zoning designation to commercial or manufacturing would allow uses
without the benefit of planned development or conditional use permit review and approval.
Mr. Burich added that if the current use of the Paine site would cease to exist, any commercial use
could occupy the site which may not be compatible with the residential neighborhood and the R -1
zoning classification allows for public or institutional uses.
Aaron Sherer, Director of the Paine Art Center and Gardens, stated that he was present to answer any
questions regarding the request. He stated that they received approval for their planned development
last year and this proposal was for significant enhancements to the plan. Both parking and containing
sound were issues at the last review and the proposed parking area on site would address the on- street
parking and the proposed addition of the conservatory to the carriage house would contain sound for
events held at the Paine. He said the expansion was a response to community demand and discussed
some events held there for the public which would be better in an inside venue. He further stated that
the expansion would ensure the long term sustainability of the Paine and noted that the conditions were
agreeable. They were taking a positive approach to the issue and were willing to work with the City
and the Landmarks Commission regarding the relocation of the existing historic home. Condition #2
gave them some concerns and there was no guarantee on the outcome but they were hoping to find a
compatible location for the house.
Ms. Propp inquired if the Paine owned the property located on the corner of Congress Avenue and
Algoma Boulevard.
Mr. Sherer responded that they did and the relocation of the home to that site was an option although it
may not be an ideal location for the home.
Mr. Thorns commented that if they cannot tear down the home, would they have to come back for
approval from the Plan Commission and Common Council if they were not able to move the home to
another location.
Mr. Buck replied that they would have to come back through the process if the Landmarks
Commission, the Department of Community Development and the Paine could not agree on a
relocation site for the existing home.
Mr. Thorns questioned if the historical designation for the district could be revoked if the home was
removed from the neighborhood.
Mr. Buck responded that condition #2 addressed this issue and the loss of the historic designation in
the district would affect tax credits available to property owners in the area for renovations. The City
would work with the State and the Paine to reestablish the district if the current designation was lost.
Mr. Hinz inquired if the home was moved to the adjacent site previously discussed, would it be used as
part of the Paine.
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Ms. Sherer replied that from their past experience, it is too expensive to renovate a residential home for
commercial use however it has not been ruled out yet.
Mr. Borsuk commented that if the home was not on the historic register, it could be taken down
without any approval and he felt the Commission needed to look at what is practical. He felt that
condition #2 was difficult for the owner to address.
Mr. Sherer stated that this condition was somewhat intimidating and provided a loss of flexibility for
the Paine but they were willing to work with it.
Steve Nimmer, President of Martin Luther Evangelical Church, 1526 Algoma Boulevard, stated that
the church is adjacent to the proposed parking lot area and the plans show a fence around it. He
commented that the two entities were sensitive to each other's schedules and he voiced his concerns
with headlights from the parking lot shining in the church's windows during services. He indicated if
the fence was solid, it would negate any concerns regarding the matter.
Mr. Buck stated that he believed the fence was proposed to be constructed of wrought iron to match
the existing fencing and the Commission may want to add a condition to require screening on the
perimeter of the parking lot area.
Mr. Sherer commented that there was no specific design for the fence but wrought iron was most likely
as it would conform to the existing fencing. He further commented that dense landscape screening was
planned for the parking lot area.
Mr. Buck added that five foot screening for parking lot perimeters was required for areas adjacent to
residential uses however no screening is required for the adjacent church use.
Mr. Vajgrt questioned how long the Paine is open in the evenings.
Mr. Sherer responded that the hours vary but they are usually quiet by 10 pm when events are held
there. Typically, closing hours at the Paine are at 4 pm.
Mr. Borsuk stated that he would like to re -work condition #2 as he felt it unduly restricts the Paine
from the use of their property. He suggested the condition be modified from the home being relocated
to a compatible location as "approved" by the Department of Community Development to "in
consultation with" the Department.
Mr. Thorns disagreed and commented that he felt it was a unique structure and should not be torn
down.
Mr. Cummings agreed as the home was significant architecturally.
Mr. Fojtik commented that he felt that Mr. Borsuk was intending the condition to be amended to
working with the City on the decision and not the City making demands.
Mr. Buck stated that condition #3 was relating to working with various entities in the decision and if
condition #2 was determined to be too oppressive, the Paine could come back for approval to amend
the recommended conditions.
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Ms. Propp commented that she felt the corner of Congress and Algoma was an obvious appropriate
location for the home and always an option and that she was satisfied with the proposed conditions as
presented.
Mr. Borsuk stated that he was not suggesting that the Paine would tear down the home however he did
not feel it was that significant and if it was not being presented as a package deal, the Paine could tear
it down without approval. He felt more comfortable with the discretion of the Paine than with City
staff
Mr. Burich commented that the expansion of the site to include off - street parking was the reason to
acquire the property however the City is under no obligation to approve the removal of the historic
home.
Motion by Borsuk to amend condition #2 to read the Schriber House is relocated to a
compatible location "working with" the Department of Community Development.
The motion was not seconded.
Motion by Thoms to approve a zone change from R -I C Single Family Central Residence
District to R -I C PD Single Family Central Residence District with a Planned Development
Overlay at 1428 Algoma Boulevard and to approve the development plan amendment for the
use and development plan of the Paine Art Center and Gardens Museum, Art Center and
Community Center at 1410 Algoma Boulevard and 1428 Algoma Boulevard as requested with
the following conditions:
1) Planned Development Overlay District is applied to 1428 Algoma Boulevard and the lots are
combined.
2) Schriber House is relocated to a compatible location as approved by the Department of
Community Development.
3) The petitioner work with the Oshkosh Landmarks Commission, State Historic Preservation
Office and the National Park Service to mitigate negative impacts of the proposed development
on the Algoma Boulevard Historic District.
4) Base standard modification to allow 4 drives to the property.
5) Base standard modification to allow 45 feet lateral clearance on the new parking lot.
6) Require "right -in /right -out" and "watch for pedestrians" signage at the entrance of the new
parking lot.
7) Any further expansions to the Paine Art Center and Gardens facilities be developed as an
overall master /comprehensive plan.
Seconded by Vajgrt. Motion carried 8 -0.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at approximately 5:34 pm. (Thoms /Vajgrt)
Respectfully submitted,
Darryn Burich
Director of Planning Services
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