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ADVISORY PARK BOARD
MINUTES
OCTOBER 11, 2010
Present: Victor Girens, Bill Gogolewski, Jim Michelson, Mark Philipp, Bob Poeschl, Allan Siiman, Terry
Wohler
Excused: Tony Duff, Bob Freid
Staff: Ray Maurer, Parks Director; Chad Dallman, Parks Operations Manager; Dave Patek, Director of
Public Works; Steve Dobish, Lakeshore Golf Course General Manager; Jenny McCollian, Revenue
Facilities Manager; Trish Wendorf, Recording Secretary
CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL
Chairman Gogolewski called the meeting to order at 6:02 P.M. A quorum was determined to be present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Wohler for approval of the August 9, 2010 minutes, as submitted. Seconded by Michelson.
Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Wohler for approval of the September 13, 2010 minutes, as submitted. Seconded by Siiman.
Motion carried 7-0.
CITIZENS STATEMENTS (Items on Agenda)
There were no citizen’s statements.
PARK BUSINESS
1)Approve Rain Garden Project at Sawyer Creek Park
Mr. Maurer introduced Dave Patek, Director of Public Works, to the Board. Mr. Patek distributed a large-scale
aerial map depicting the boundaries of the Sawyer Creek Park area affected by the proposal (said map on file at
the City Parks office and made a part of these minutes). He gave a brief background of the Utica Energy lawsuit
and terms of the Agreement (said Agreement on file at the City Parks office and made a part of these minutes).
He explained that the Ethanol Plant had gotten into some problems with water discharge to Sawyer Creek. The
Agreement proposed was that $25,000 be given to the City of Oshkosh and $25,000 to Winnebago County to be
used as a storm water management project, but it had to be in Sawyer Creek Park. From what the Department of
Public Works has looked at, the School District (Carl Traeger Middle School) has a dry detention basin in the
northwest corner of the property, but they don’t have any water quality feature associated with their detention
basin. He noted there are some wet lands and there is a ditch that goes into the Sawyer Creek. In essence, what
the Board would be approving would be this storm water management feature (rain garden) to be built on this
park property (north side of the trail). The Storm Water Utility Committee has previously approved accepting
$25,000 and if okay with Parks Board, Public Works staff would meet with a rain garden design company.
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Mr. Michelson inquired as to what a rain garden is.
Mr. Patek explained it is a planted depression (removal of soil) that allows rainwater runoff from impervious
urban areas like walkways, driveways, and compacted lawns the opportunity to be absorbed. It would be a
removal of soil so that the water that is coming out from the drainage way would be diverted into it. There would
be prairie plants so that there is a way for the water to go into the soil. If there is too much water, there’d be an
overflow pipe that would take it into Sawyer Creek drainage way. The water that would come into this nature
area would soak in and go back into the ground water. This is a great way to provide good water quality.
Mr. Michelson questioned conditions of overflow? In a normal storm would the trail flood?
Mr. Patek stated with the culvert under the trail, if water gets too high it would overflow into the pipe. It would
go into the creek, not the trail.
Mr. Girens questioned if the $25,000 would cover the entire project.
Mr. Patek stated it has to be as it is a cap.
Motion by Siiman to approve the rain garden project as presented. Seconded by Wohler. Motion
carried 7-0.
2)Discuss Menominee Park River Otter Exhibit
Mr. Maurer gave a brief background of the proposed conceptual design plan (said plan on file at the City Parks
office and made a part of these minutes). The Zoological Society is already forming a fundraising committee that
would like to get together to start doing some fundraising for this project. Staff had included in the parks budget
for this year that will be carried over to next year, $75,000 for this project ($5,000 for architectural fees, $70,000
for construction). In addition, the Zoological Society has some funding from the Ryan fund through the Oshkosh
Area Community Foundation and we would be partnering with them along with any fundraising monies they
acquire. In essence, we would be team working with Zoological Society on this project. Preliminary cost for this
river otter exhibit project amounts to the $300,000 range that has some contingency built in there. Park staff
could do some in-house work construction as they did with the other existing exhibits, which will save some
dollars.
Terry Steele, of the Oshkosh Zoological Society, stated that a few years ago when the original zoo master plan
came out, the river otter exhibit was in a different location from what is now being proposed. When the
Zoological Society discussed alternatives, we were told from the Foundation that through the Ryan Fund there
was $60,000 designated specifically for an exhibit and we then decided on the otter exhibit. He stated that every
year he goes to the national zoo and aquarium conference and he has never heard of any river otter exhibit that
comes under five million dollars, so he feels $300,000 is a good price for what is being proposed. With respect to
the design of the exhibit, he explained that otters need pools and people prefer glass exhibits with under-water
viewing.
Chairman Gogolewski inquired exactly where this proposed exhibit would be located?
Mr. Steele stated it would be constructed directly behind the wolf area by the old prairie dog exhibit.
Mr. Michelson questioned the funding.
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Mr. Maurer reiterated that in the 2010 Revenue Facilities budget, we had $75,000 – of that $35,000 was coming
from the Harenburg Fund for improvements to the zoo and another $5,800 we utilized from the Ryan Fund for
architectural fees and the remaining $32,000 is coming from fund balance in the revenue facilities budget. This
budget was approved in 2009 for 2010, but because of staff changes, the project was delayed and monies were
carried over.
Mr. Poeschl inquired if any of the funds were coming from tax money?
Mr. Maurer stated no, not from tax levy . The monies in the revenue facilities budget are derived from zoo
donations, etc.
Discussion ensued relative to the cost of maintaining the exhibits at the zoo. Mr. Maurer stated that the parks
maintenance staff handles the maintenance aspect (i.e. cleaning windows, pool filtering of water, removal of
sand and trees away from the pool area, etc).
Consensus of the Board to agree to allow the Zoological Society to proceed with fund raising efforts to
support this project.
3)Approve 2011 Capital Improvement Projects (CIP)
Mr. Maurer distributed a new list of 2011 CIP projects to the Board (said list on file at the City Parks office and
made a part of these minutes). He stated in meeting with Dave Patek, Director of Public Works, they looked at a
number of aerials and site plans at Red Arrow Park and they were advised not to do any construction over there
because it was a landfill at one time. In discussions with the City Street Departments staff, we were able to
include in the parks operations budget, the sum of $5,000 for removal of the black top in the worse area from the
parking lot entrance and top if off with a better base and asphalt over it. We also need to replace some cracked
curbing from the parking lot area so that the water will flow better. The City’s Street Department will be working
with us on that as well and will only be charging us the costs for materials. In the meantime, staff will be
contacting engineering firms to take a look at the entire parking lot to see what can be done in the future. Right
now, there are too many unknowns to do anything. In view of the items mentioned, the Phase I park lighting of
the Red Arrow Park has been removed from the list as well. He stated that the Menominee Park central
restrooms remain a high priority since that building has heavy use. Mr. Maurer reported that the City’s
Electrician suggested that Rainbow Park be put high on the list because there are some light posts that are
fiberglass and starting to peel. After the park tour staff decided to do the South Park splash pad project in-house
to save expense. After viewing the athletic facilities, Mr. Dallman noted that the bleachers at Spanbauer Field
need to be replaced due to maintenance and safety issues. The bleacher codes have changed recently. The
Rainbow Park BMX equipment needs to be removed (old wooden equipment). The BXM members will be doing
fundraising for new equipment.
Mr. Poeschl inquired what’s going to stop them from rebuilding with new wood features?
Mr. Maurer stated that meetings have been held with the BMX committee and they understand our concerns and
are aware that they won’t be allowed to bring in any more equipment on their own.
Mr. Michelson stated he was glad the Menominee Park restroom project was left in and inquired if staff was
considering building a new restroom.
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Mr. Dallman stated that most of the plumbing is in dire need of replacement and sections of the floor have
separated. It was determined that the current restroom would be torn down and rebuilt in the similar location.
Mr. Michelson inquired about the Taking Root program.
Mr. Maurer stated this would be the second year of the City’s commitment/portion with the Oshkosh Community
Foundations $150,000 matching donation.
Mr. Michelson stated that the sidewalk/trails need attention too.
Mr. Maurer stated staff has made note of that. In the future park plan that will be noted as well with cost
estimates.
Mr. Siiman questioned if the list was in priority of staff or the Board? Mr. Maurer stated it was staff’s priority
based upon staff’s review. Discussion ensued as to list priorities. Discussion ensued as to just modifying the #5
green at Lakeshore Golf Course rather than reconstructing it. Mr. Dobish did not feel that was do-able because it
becomes a maintenance issue. If we can’t do it right, then don’t do it. Mr. Wohler suggested: #1 Consulting fees
for the comprehensive plan, #2 Menominee Park restrooms, #3 Road repairs at the cemetery, #4 Taking Root
trees, #5 the shelter at the golf course, and #6 replace the bleachers at Spanbauer Field.
Mr. Siiman questioned the road repairs at the Cemetery.
Mr. Poeschl stated the Cemetery is used for various events and not just for “cemetery” needs.
Mr. Michelson stated that the restrooms at Menominee Park need to be kept in. The rest of the order of
priorities per Mr. Wohler sounded good to him.
Mr. Poeschl challenged the priority of the shelter at the golf course as he would prefer more updating of the
lighting in the parks for safety reasons.
Mr. Michelson likes the top 5 that Mr. Wohler presented, but would like the remaining items numbered as well.
Chairman Gogolewski stated that he would switch the bleachers; being a safety issue, become #5 and the shelter
at Lakeshore become #6.
Motion by Michelson for listing priorities as follows: #1 Consulting fees for the comprehensive plan, #2
Menominee Park restrooms, #3 Road repairs at the cemetery, #4 Taking Root trees, #5 replace the
bleachers at Spanbauer Field, #6 the shelter at the golf course, #7 park lighting Phase I at Rainbow Park;
#8 rebuilding green #5 at Lakeshore and #9 Rainbow Park BMX equipment. Seconded by Poeschl.
Motion carried 7-0.
CITIZENS STATEMENTS (Items Not on Agenda)
There were no citizen’s statements.
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DIRECTOR’S REPORT
Mr. Maurer reported that he is working with the League of Women Voters on historical park signs relative to
verbiage and history. They have looked at samples from other communities and states for samples and are
hoping to come forward with some further information in the near future.
PARK OPERATIONS MANAGER’S REPORT
Mr. Dallman reported that crews are working on the Sawyer Creek trail boardwalk damage that was from 2008
when the flood took place. They are completing the re-leveling of that boardwalk (from Carl Traeger School to
Wellington Avenue) with FEMA funds and hopefully it will be completed next week. Crews are renovating the
Stoegbauer Athletic field; they are removing and replacing the fences and doing diamond work with money
received through the Fast Pitch Program. Crews are also doing shut-down of facilities for the season and
maintaining turf areas.
LANDSCAPE OPERATIONS MANAGER’S REPORT
Mr. Sturm was absent, but Mr. Maurer reported that Forestry crews are working on tree planting list and doing
presentations with Eileen from the Oshkosh Foundation on the Taking Root Campaign. He is also working on DNR
grant funding for projects.
REVENUE FACILITIES MANAGER’S REPORT
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Ms. McCollian gave a presentation on the 8 Annual Menominee Park Zooloween Boo event which will be held
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on two days this year, to-wit: October 23 and 24. She stated there will be 40+ Trick N Treat stations,
concessions, entertainment galore and lots of activities, crafts and games for the children. Admission is $4 for
adults and $2 for children and runs from 11 AM until 4 PM on both days. She stated they are still looking for
volunteers and encouraged the public to help out.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no other business,
Motion by Wohler for adjournment; seconded by Siiman. Motion carried 7-0. The meeting adjourned
at 7:07 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Trish Wendorf
Trish Wendorf
Recording Secretary