HomeMy WebLinkAbout0144105-Plumbing CITY OF OSHKOSH No 144105
OSHKOSH PLUMBING PERMIT - APPLICATION AND RECORD
ON THE WATER
Job Address 1300 S KOELLER ST Owner SHOPKO SPE REAL ESTATE LLC Create Date 11/09/2010
Contractor BENO PLUMBING Category 442 - Commercial- Interior (New /Relocated Fixti Plan
Bathtub Clothes Wshr Classrm Sink Surgeons Sink Roof Drain Deduct Meters
Shower Lndry Tray Exam Sink 1 Sterilizer Soda Disp Wtr Sewer Mtrs
Whirlpool Sump Pump F Prep Sink RPZ Valve Coffee Maker Wtr Usage Mtrs
Lavatory 1 San Sump /Pump 1 Flr/Wst Sink Bidet Site Drain Misc.
Toilet 1 Water Softner Hand Sink Urinal Wait. St. Fixtures
Kit Sink Standp Rec Lab Sink Beer Tap Ice Chest
Disposal Gar Drain Plaster Sink Dip Well Comm Ice Maker
Dishwasher Local Waste Sculry Sink Drink Ftn Int Grease Trap
Floor Drain Bar Sink Sery Sink Wash Ftn Ext Grease Trap
Hose Bibb Breakrm Sink Shamp Sink Catch Basin Eye Wash Statn
Water Heater 1
Use /Nature Remodel / Plumbing fixtures for the new 500 sq ft Quick Care clinic with electric water heater.
of Work
Size Material Type # Conn. Type
Sanitary Sewer
Storm Sewer
Water Service
Parcel Id #
1308500100
Valuation $7,730.00 Plan Approval $0.00 Permit Fees $35.00 ❑ Permit Voided
Issued By a Date 11/16/2010
In the performance of this work, I agree to perform all work pursuant to rules governing the described construction.
While the City of Oshkosh has no authority to enforce easement restrictions of which it is not a party, if you perform the work
described in this permit application within an easement, the City strongly urges the permit applicant to contact the
easement holder(s) and to secure any necessary approvals before starting such activity.
Signature Date
Agent/Owner
Address PO BOX 8025 GREEN BAY WI 54308 - 8025 Telephone Number 920 - 468 -4777
To schedule inspections please call the Inspection Request line at 236 -5128 noting the Address, Permit Number, Type of
Inspection (i.e. Footing, Service, Final, etc.), Access into Building if Secure (how do we gain entry), your Name and Phone
Number. Unless specified otherwise, we will assume the project is ready at the time the request is received. Work may
continue if the inspection is not performed within two business days from the time the project is ready.
City of Oshkosh
Inspection Services Division
P O Box 1130 /
Oshkosh, WI 54903 -1130
Phone: (920) 236 -5050
Fax: (920) 236 -5084 01 OJH
ON THE WATER
Plumbing Permit Application
I hereby apply for a permit to do and install the following plumbing on the premises hereinafter described, the work to conform to the
Wisconsin State Plumbing Code, in the performance of which all parties hereto agree to and are bound by said statutes.
• Application(s) and fee(s) can be brought to City Hall, Room 205 or mailed to Inspection Services, PO Box 1128, Oshkosh WI
54903 -1128. Commencing work without permit(s) will result in fees being doubled or $100.00 plus the normal permit fee, which
ever is greater.
OR
If you are a contractor participating in the Permit Fee Account System and have adequate funds. check here
if you want this processed through your account
** Advisory - For applicable projects, an Electrical Installation Verification (EIV) form, signed by the Electrical
Contractor or Homeowner (for installations allowed to be performed by the homeowner) must be submitted
with the permit application. Applications submitted without an EIV when such is required, will not be
processed for Permit Issuance and will be returned for completion.
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Number of Fixtures:
Bathtub Sump Pump t Plaster Sink Roof Drain
Shower San. Sump/Pump 1 Scullery Sink Soda Disp
Whirlpool Water Softener Service Sink Coffee Mkr
Lavatory 1 Standpipe Rec Shamp Sink Site Drain
Toilet Garage FD Surgeons Sink Waitrs Stn
Kit Sink Local Waste Sterilizer Ice Chest
Disposal Bar Sink RPZ Valve Comm Ice Maker
Dishwasher Breakrm Sink Bidet Int Grease Trap
Floor Drain Classrm Sink Urinal Ext Grease Trap
Hose Bibb Exam Sink Beer Tap Eye Wash Stn
Water Heater l F Prep Sink Dipper Well Deduct Meter
U Gasp,Elect U PwrVnt Floor Sink Drink Frith Wtr Sewer Mtr
Clothes Wshr Hand Sink Wash Frith Wtr Usage Mtr
Lndry Tray Lab Sink Catch Basin Misc Fixtures
Electric Contractor (for projects not requiring an EIV Form)
Use / Nature of Work X7 1= M �00. L.
Size Material Type # Conn. Type
Sanitary Sewer
Storm Sewer
Water Service RECEIVED
NOV 1 6 2010
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INSPECTION SERVICES DIVISION
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Wolf, Paul T.
From: Jim Beno [jimbeno @benoplumbing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:44 PM
To: Wolf, Paul T.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Attachments: Zoeller 264 pump curve.pdf
He it is.
From: Wolf, Paul T. [mailto:pwolf @ci.oshkosh.wi.us]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:14 AM
To: Jim Beno
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Jim,
Can you attach the document in a different format? I can not access it.
From: Jim Beno [mailto:jimbeno @benoplumbing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:08 AM
To: Wolf, Paul T.; 'Downing, Sheila M.'
Cc: 'Wiitanen, Daniel J.'
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Here is the pump curve for the Zoeller 264. The piping from the pump to the horizontal piping above is
14 feet plus there are two 45 degree elbows, one 90 degree and the check valve in that piping.
James G. Beno
Beno Plumbing & Heating, Inc.
P 0 Box 8025
Green Bay, WI 54308 -8025
From: Wolf, Paul T. [mailto:pwolf @ci.oshkosh.wi.us]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:09 PM
To: Downing, Sheila M.; jimbeno @benoplumbing.com
Cc: Wiitanen, Daniel J.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Please be sure to provide me either in email form or onsite a pump curve per manufacturer so I can
attach it to Beno's permit for the record. This will help insure that any future alterations in the building will
also comply with code.
Thanks, Paul
From: Downing, Sheila M. [ mailto :sdowning @somervilleinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:41 AM
To: Jim Beno aimbeno @benoplumbing.com)
Cc: Wiitanen, Daniel J.; Wolf, Paul T.
Subject: FW: Shopko Question
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Jim,
Provide 14' head for the sewage ejector which has a capacity of 30 GPM max. or the maximum allowable by code
without overloading the existing 3" sanitary line it is connected to. See Plumbing Inspector Paul Wolfs reply
below.
Paul,
Do you need any further information from me concerning this issue?
Sheila M. Downing, CPD, LEED AP
Associate j Senior Designer) Plumbing
sdowninq @somervilleinc.com
SOMERVILLE, INC.
Architects I Engineers 1 Construction Services
2100 Riverside Drive Green Bay, WI 54301
p. (920) 437 -8136 f. (920) 437-1131
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From: Wolf, Paul T. [mailto:pwolf @ci.oshkosh.wi.us]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:15 AM
To: Downing, Sheila M.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
I agree that 30 GPM /DFU pump would be the maximum load allowed by code without overloading the existing
building drain.
From: Downing, Sheila M. [ mailto :sdowning @somervilleinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:52 AM
To: Wolf, Paul T.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Paul,
Based on your description below, if we can provide a pump that has a capacity of 30 gpm at 14' head we would
meet this requirement with the pump we have(264) as long as the contractor can provide 14' head. I was told
the max. is 10' because of the mezzanine above. Then the connection to the existing 3" would be code compliant.
I have a call into the Zoeller Pump Co. requesting if they have any other sewage pumps that would meet this
criteria.
Sheila M. Downing, CPD, LEED AP
Associate l Senior Designer' Plumbing
sdowninq @somervilleinc.com
SOMERVILLE, INC.
Architects 1 Engineers I Construction Services
2100 Riverside Drive `Green Bay, WI 54301
p. (920) 437 -8136 f. (920) 437-1131
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From: Wolf, Paul T. [mailto:pwolf @ci.oshkosh.wi.us]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:20 AM
To: Downing, Sheila M.
Cc: jimbeno @benoplumbing.com; Wiitanen, Daniel 3.; keithba @immel - builds.com; Ciabatti, Kevin 3; Noe, Brian
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Sheila,
Sorry I just missed you when I called this AM. I will send out this code language to give you a start before I can call
you back this PM.
I asked the GC and Beno for a copy of the pump curve for the proposed pump being installed at Shopko here in
Oshkosh to verify that the existing 3" building drain was not to be overloaded per Comm. 82.30(4). 1 understand that
there is a minimal load discharging to the sanitary sump pump and have no doubts with that, but I want to verify what
the actual GPM /DFU flow rate of the pump is on the discharge side.
Per Comm. 82.30(3) of the Wisconsin Uniform Plumbing Code, a pump with a run time of 2 minutes or less one GPM
would equal one DFU. (If the pump would run more than 2 minutes than it would be considered continuous and would
be a 2 to 1 ratio, although I doubt that will be the case.) So, based on the rise and length of pipe of the pump to be
installed what is the GPM /DFU based on the pump curve per manufacturer? Per Table 82.30 -3 a 3" building drain
pitched at an 1/8" can not exceed 36 DFU, the pump discharge and existing fixtures connected to the building drain
can not exceed this load. If the load is exceeded then the building drain will be pressurized.
I will try to call you back during my PM office hours after lunch. If you have any questions prior I can be reached at
920 - 236 -5052. I will be in and out this AM.
Thanks, Paul
(3) LOAD ON DRAIN PIPING. (a) Intermittent flow. 1. `Fixture.'
The load factor on drain piping shall be computed in terms of
drainage fixture unit values specified in Table 82.30 -1 for the corresponding
listed fixture.
2. `Devices.' Drainage fixture unit values for intermittent
flow devices not listed in Table 82.30 -1 shall be computed on the
basis of one fixture unit equaling one gallon per minute of flow.
Note: Equipment with a timed discharge cycle(s) of 2 minutes or less may be considered
as an intermittent flow device.
(b) Continuous flow devices. Drainage fixtures unit values for
continuous flow devices such as pumps, ejectors, air conditioning
equipment or similar devices that discharge continuously shall be
computed on the basis of 2 fixture units for each one gallon per
minute of flow.
(4) SIZE OF DRAIN PIPING. (a) Maximum loading. 1. The total
drainage load in any portion of drain piping shall not exceed the
limits specified in Tables 82.30 -2 and 82.30 -3.
From: Downing, Sheila M. [ mailto :sdowning @somervilleinc.com]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:15 PM
To: Wolf, Paul T.
Subject: FW: Shopko Question
Paul,
Can you please tell me what the issue is with the sanitary packaged ejector that is installed in the Bellin Fast Care
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in the Oshkosh Shopko? The pump (Zoeller 264) may be rated at 80 GPM but that is max. capacity. The only
connected Toad is the toilet, lay., and the sink which is only 8 GPM. The piping should be piped up above the
ceiling to the highest point below the mezzanine which is an additional 10' -0" and the pump would be able to
handle 60 GPM although only 8 GPM is realistically being piped into the basin and pumped out. Therefore the
existing 3" sanitary pipe would be able to handle the additional Toad. Total load would then be 10 GPM with the
existing sinks connected.
Please review and give me a call at your earliest convenience. I am in the office tomorrow from 6:30 -7:45 and
returning at 11 and will be in the office until 4:00.
Thank You,
Sheila M. Downing, CPD, LEED AP
Associate I Senior Designer' Plumbing
sdownina @somervilleinc.com
SOMERVILLE, INC.
Architects I Engineers I Construction Services
2100 Riverside Drive Green Bay, WI 54301
p. (920) 437 -8136 f. (920) 437-1131
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From: Wiitanen, Daniel J.
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:56 AM
To: Jim Beno
Cc: Downing, Sheila M.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Jim,
Please see Sheila's response below. Can you get her the name and contact number for the plumbing inspector on
this project?
Thank you,
Dan
The 264 is the correct pump for this application. It has the "capability" to pump up to 80 GPM but never will only
because of the connected load. This is only a toilet, lay., and sink. Max. GPM of 8. After talking with Tim Cayer at
Tweet, there are several of these installed in a wide variety of projects and none have had any issues.
Can you please give me the inspectors name and number and I'll have to give them a call and find out what their
reasoning for this is.
Daniel J. Wiitanen, AIA, LEED AP
Associate I Architect
dwiitanen@somervilleinc.com
SOMERVILLE, INC.
Architects I Engineers I Construction Services
2100 Riverside Drive Green Bay, WI 54301
p. (920) 437 -8136 f. (920) 437 -1131
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d. (920) 593 -3863 c. (920) 606 -3426
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From: Jim Beno [mailto:jimbeno @benoplumbing.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:10 AM
To: Wiitanen, Daniel J.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Has a decision been made regarding this pump yet?
James G. Beno
Beno Plumbing & Heating, Inc.
P 0 Box 8025
Green Bay, WI 54308 -8025
From: Jim Beno [mailto:jimbeno @benoplumbing.com]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:00 PM
To: ' Wiitanen, Daniel J.'
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
You can pass this on to Sheila.
The Pump will work. The problem is the pump capacity has to be added to the drainage fixture unit value of the
fixtures already draining into the 3" pipe. A 3" drain can handle 20 DFU. Assuming there are only two sinks
draining into it now, two sinks have a value of two DFU at a minimum leaving 18 for the pump capacity. Pump
capacity is measured by one GMP = one DFU so the pump cannot pump faster than 18 GMP or it will exceed the
DFU on the 3" pipe.
The discharge line only goes about 2 feet above the floor. At that head pressure, the 264 will pump over 80 GPM
and the 53 will pump about 40. Both greatly exceeding the pipe capacity.
We can add more head pressure on the pump if we extend the pipe up to about 18 feet and then back down
again. I don't know if there is that much ceiling height and it would not be my call.
From: Wiitanen, Daniel J. [ mailto :DWitanen @somervilleinc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:21 PM
To: Jim Beno
Cc: Keith Battermann (keithba @immel - builds.com); Downing, Sheila M.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Jim,
The fixture rough -in schedule is incorrect. The waste pipe should be 2" and the vent should be 1 Y2" per the floor
plan. Zoeller is stating that the model #264 submitted in the shop drawings should be correct for this
application. If there is still a problem, please have the inspector call Sheila Downing here in our office (she will be
out until Monday 11/29).
Thank you,
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Dan
Daniel J. Wiitanen, AIA, LEED AP
Associate !Architect
dwiitanen @somervilleinc.com
SOMERVILLE, INC.
Architects I Engineers I Construction Services
2100 Riverside Drive Green Bay, WI 54301
p. (920) 437 -8136 f. (920) 437 -1131
d. (920) 593 -3863 c. (920) 606 -3426
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From: Jim Beno [mailto:jimbeno @benoplumbing.com]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Wiitanen, Daniel J.; 'Keith Battermann'
Cc: Downing, Sheila M.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
I believe the Zoeller #53 has the same pump capacity.
James G. Beno
Beno Plumbing & Heating, Inc.
P O Box 8025
Green Bay, WI 54308 -8025
From: Wiitanen, Daniel J. [ mailto :DWitanen @somervilleinc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:13 PM
To: Keith Battermann; Jim Beno
Cc: Downing, Sheila M.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Keith,
I am being told the pump we have spec'd is the smallest commercial pump available. The response below is from
our plumbing designer suggesting a smaller pump. This pump is more of a residential grade, however.
Plumbing contractor shall verify with local inspector that the use of a Zoeller #53 is code compliant and meets his
requirements. Provide credit to owner for difference of larger to smaller pump.
Please let me know if you need more information.
Thank you,
Dan
Daniel J. Wiitanen, AIA, LEED AP
Associate I Architect
dwiitanen @somervilleinc.com
12/13/2010
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SOMERVILLE, INC.
Architects I Engineers I Construction Services
2100 Riverside Drive Green Bay, WI 54301
p. (920) 437 -8136 f. (920) 437 -1131
d. (920) 593 -3863 c. (920) 606 -3426
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From: Keith Battermann [mailto:keithba @immel - builds.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:36 AM
To: Jim Beno
Cc: Wiitanen, Daniel J.
Subject: RE: Shopko Question
Thanks, Jim,
I have copied the architect with your comments from the inspector.
Dan, can you give us direction on this?
MEL
www.immel- builds.coen
General Contractors
1820 Radisson Street
Green Bay, Wl 54302
Keith Battermann
Direct; 920 - 406 -0167
Cell; 920 - 660 -0238
Fax; 920 - 468 -7160
email; keithba @ immel- builds.com
From: Jim Beno [mailto:jimbeno @benoplumbing.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:43 AM
To: Keith Battermann
Subject: Shopko Question
The plumbing inspector in Oshkosh had a concern about the sewage pump that the architect will have to resolve.
The capacity of the pump exceeds the fixture unit value of the 3" drain line we are connected to not including the
sinks already connected to it. A different pump will have to be selected that pumps at a slower rate. Another
option would be to pipe the discharge up to about 20 feet, if possible, to increase the head pressure and reduce
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flow rate.
James G. Beno
Beno Plumbing & Heating, Inc.
P O Box 8025
Green Bay, WI 54308 -8025
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