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ADVISORY PARK BOARD
MINUTES
AUGUST 9, 2010
Present: Tony Duff, Bob Freid, Victor Girens, Jim Michelson, Mark Philipp, Bob Poeschl, Allan Siiman, Terry
Wohler
Excused: Bill Gogolewski
Staff: Ray Maurer, Parks Director; Steve Dobish, Lakeshore Golf Course General Manager; Trish
Wendorf, Recording Secretary
Vice Chairman Wohler introduced the new member of the Board, Victor Girens, and thanked him for volunteering
to be on the Board.
CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL
Vice Chairman Wohler called the meeting to order at 6:00 P.M. A quorum was determined to be present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Siiman for approval of the July 12, 2010 minutes, as submitted. Seconded by Michelson.
Motion carried 7-0.
MR. POESCHL ARRIVED AT THIS TIME, MAKING AN 8-MEMBER BOARD
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Mr. Poeschl arrived after approval of the Minutes, but wished to make a comment on the record. At the July 12
meeting, Mr. Duff had made comments as to acknowledging citizens’ comments that were not recorded in the
July 12, 2010 minutes, to-wit:
Mr. Duff stated he would have liked to have the item tabled for future review. These folks are
living on the water and are experiencing problems and have real safety concerns. It is similar to
neighborhood problems and I think we should have a closer look at it. He also stated he was
trying to weigh-in the enforcement issue with respect to the no-wake laws – could this be solved
by greater enforced of the current ordinance?
PARK BUSINESS
1)Election of Officers
Motion by Philipp that Gogolewski serve as Chairman. Seconded by Fried. Motion carried 8-0.
Motion by Philipp that Wohler serve as Vice Chair. Seconded by Fried. Motion carried 7-0 with 1
abstaining (Wohler).
2)2011 Capital Improvement Projects (CIP)
Mr. Maurer distributed a handout (said handout on file at the City Parks office and made a part of these minutes)
titled, Capital Improvement Projects 2010 – 2014. He noted the 2010 CIP projects are projects that funding is
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available, and will be started and/or completed in 2010. With respect to the 44 Parallel Park tennis courts, staff
is putting together specs and it is hoped that the project will begin in the fall. The Cemetery mapping software is
a project that will continue throughout 2010. The South Park main parking area is another project that staff will
begin working on specs. The Menominee Park central restroom project may not be completed this year as staff
needs to do further research as to what the exactly was proposed and how staff would complete the project. It is
hoped to start work on that project and have it completed next year. He stated that he prioritized the top items
from last year’s list for 2011. For 2012 and beyond he did not list dollar figures as he preferred to wait until the 5-
Year Park & Open Space Plan was completed as the projects could possibly change based on that Plan. With
respect to projects in 2011, Comprehensive Plan – some work would be done in-house, but there would be a
need for consulting fees prior to finalizing it and to do mapping work. Red Arrow Park parking lot, there are sink
holes that need to be repaired. Lakeshore green complex hole #5 – Mr. Dobish gave information on that project
at an earlier Board meeting. South Park restrooms – a determination needs to be made as to whether to totally
renovate the existing restrooms or demolish and rebuild in a different location, and if that is the case, there may
be additional expenses because of extension of utilities. Red Arrow lighting – there was previous discussion as to
a more efficient lighting within the entire parks system. It makes sense to do the updated lighting at Red Arrow
when the parking lot work was being done. Mr. Sturm had requested that the cemetery road paving work be
done in segments over the years. The Lakeshore shelter would accommodate activities and banquets during the
golfing season and would allow for storage of carts in the winter months. There had been discussion in the past
as to replacement of playground surfaces to the poured-in-place and commencement of that project could begin
at South Park.
Mr. Duff inquired as to the Lakeshore Golf Course green complex. Mr. Dobish stated they would like to rebuild a
green over the span of the next few years. This particular green (#5) is in real need of rebuilding as it is a difficult
green to chip to and is difficult to maintain.
Mr. Wohler concurred with Mr. Dobish and noted that the rebuilding of green #5 has been on the budget for the
past 2-3 years and has been pulled due to budget constraints.
Mr. Michelson stated that one item that is not on the list and keeps falling through the cracks is trail
maintenance. For example, the Carl Steiger Park paved trail by the bridge is in terrible shape. The Oshkosh North
Conservancy Park gravel trail has low spots and is difficult to get through. Menominee Park has low spots on the
trail and suggested that trail spurs by the beach house be added as well as to the north of Menominee Park by
Oak Trail to the point.
Mr. Maurer stated that with respect to the North High Conservancy Park, staff received a complaint about that
trail. Staff will be looking at repairing that trail out of the Parks operating budget. In the proposed CIP budget
under 2012, there is a line item of “Menominee Park – trail & road paving”. As for the spurs, staff would look at
that on an “as needed” basis.
Mr. Wohler stated the South Park dams by Ohio Street look like they are ready to burst. Besides draining South
Park, it would affect some homes and businesses.
Mr. Maurer stated he would discuss that with the City’s Engineering Department.
Mr. Wohler inquired as to the South Park playground surface.
Mr. Maurer stated with higher profile use parks it is wise to replace the wood fiber/mulch with a rubberized
surface (poured-in-place).
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Mr. Poeschl stated that by doing the entire playground area, it would make the playground more accessible to
people in wheelchairs.
Mr. Philipp stated he does not wish to have the poured-in-place in any of the City’s playgrounds as it hurts
children (too hard) and is very expensive. He recommends striking that from the budget as he feels after 15 years
(its lifetime), it becomes a concrete slab.
Mr. Maurer stated it is not hurtful to children as it is cushiony (3-3 inches thick). It can be gravel base, not
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concrete, and is the safest surfacing being used.
Mr. Philipp stated he would like to see more data on what the poured-in-place is made of.
Discussion ensued as to the various proposed projects. Mr. Siiman inquired as to dual use trails, as he would like
to see them in future plans.
Mr. Maurer stated staff could include that in the scope for the upcoming 5-year plan.
Mr. Poeschl inquired as to the Lakeshore Golf Course shelter project. Mr. Dobish stated the current cart storage
area houses 38 carts. They are looking at increasing the cart size to 50 in the near future. When they enter into
the next lease, they would like to go with electric carts and those carts would require shelter for the chargers.
The proposed shelter would double as a shelter for tournament use as well as use for a maintenance facility once
all the carts are stored for the winter. At present one-half of the golf course carts are stored at Red Arrow, but
that shelter is becoming unusable soon due to its deplorable condition. By storing all of the carts on the golf
course property, it saves the golf course approximately $15 per unit.
Vice Chairman Wohler stated he would like a tour of the parks scheduled.
Mr. Maurer stated a tour could be done for the next meeting. He suggested meeting at the large pavilion at
South Park and then going to Red Arrow Park.
Mr. Michelson stated the South Park restrooms plan needs to be looked at – the Ohio Street shelter is odd and
the restrooms are inaccessible.
It was the consensus of the Board to have a parks tour beginning at 5:30 PM on Monday, September 13, 2010
beginning at the large shelter at South Park.
CITIZEN’S STATEMENTS
There were no citizen’s statements.
PARK DIRECTOR/STAFF REPORTS
Mr. Maurer stated the slow no wake area around the Oshkosh Avenue bridge will be going to Council for first
reading tomorrow as well as the Miller’s Bay Plan. He will give a report on those items at the next meeting. He is
working with the League of Women’s Voters about neighborhood parks and how they got their names. They are
working on getting verbiage for all the parks for signage as well as uniformed plaques with information. They are
also working with a monument company to see if having a boulder with the information etched into a boulder
would be feasible. Staff is working with the Zoological Society on the river otter exhibit and has held several
meetings and getting close to a conceptual design that would be brought before the Board for approval. They are
also working on fundraising and funding as well.
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Park Operations Manager’s Report
Chad Dallman was excused from the meeting and not available to give a report at this time.
Landscape Operations Manager’s Report
Bill Sturm was excused from the meeting and not available to give a report at this time.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no other business,
Motion by Michelson for adjournment; seconded by Poeschl. Motion carried 8-0. The meeting
adjourned at 6:50 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Trish Wendorf
Trish Wendorf
Recording Secretary