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BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES
FEBRUARY 27, 2002
PRESENT: Carl Ameringer, Fred Dahl, Cheryl Hentz, Joel Kluessendorf, Don Krueger, Edward
Wilusz
EXCUSED: John Schorse
STAFF: Matt Tucker, Associate Planner; Mary Lou Degner, Recording Secretary
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Krueger. Roll call was taken and a quorum
declared present.
The minutes of February 13, 2002 were approved as mailed. (Hentz/Ameringer).
I: 280 S. KOELLER STREET
Paul Jiang, owner, and Fox Cities Corporation, applicant, are requesting a variance to construct a
parking lot with a 0’ rear yard setback, whereas Section 30-34(D)(4)(c) of the City of Oshkosh
Zoning Ordinance requires a 5’ rear yard setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item.
Keith Decker, Fox Cities Construction, said since the building is more than 50% destroyed due
to the fire, they are unable to rebuild where the building was situated prior to the fire. He said the
original setback was 35’, now the required setback is 50’, and since they have to move the
building back 15’ it has affected the parking area. He noted the parking lot had a 0’ setback
before the fire and they are again requesting a 0’ setback. Mr. Decker presented a plan of the
subject site.
Ms. Hentz asked if there would be a problem with ingress and egress.
Mr. Decker responded it would be the same as it is now.
Discussion continued on the issue of the ground sign. Mr. Decker noted the relocation of the
ground sign would be an additional expense for the owner and added there is a transformer pad
also in the area. Mr. Tucker explained that staff has recommended a condition for the previous
variance for a ground sign, be voided because it is no longer necessary since the building
location problem that warranted the variance no longer presents a hardship. He added this would
allow the site to obtain overall compliance. Discussion continued on the present sign and the fact
that it is compliant as far as size is concerned, however the transformer beneath it is not
compliant. It was stated the transformer serves the entire site.
Chairman Krueger said he agrees with staff, that it is a perfect opportunity to bring the site into
compliance. He said, in his opinion, it is a reasonable trade off to approve the 0’ rear setback for
the sign to become compliant. Discussion continued on the price of a new sign.
Ms. Hentz offered an amendment to remove the condition from the variance, stating she
understands staff’s position, however, the fire was not the fault of the applicant or the owner. She
noted the Board of Appeals previously approved the variance and the owner did not create the
problem.
Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to construct a parking lot with a 0’ rear yard
setback. Seconded by Dahl.
Chairman Krueger stated the previous variance was approved when the building was closer to
the highway, and now the building is going to meet the 50’ setback requirement so there is no
reason to have the sign 9’ from the street. He said, in his opinion, a trade off is needed.
Ms. Hentz said the applicant already proposes reconstructing the building to meet the 50’
setback, so the applicant is already giving something in return. She added she isn’t necessarily
sure that a trade off is necessary because the hardship was not self created.
Mr. Kluessendorf stated the variance was granted for an old setback and now the setback is being
rectified, so in his opinion, it makes the variance null.
Mr. Tucker concurred, stating that was the legal opinion he got from the City Attorney’s Office.
He noted the variance was granted for a previous circumstance and hardship.
Mr. Ameringer asked if the present location of the sign would create a problem as far as
identifying the establishment.
Mr. Decker responded that moving the sign back would hamper the view from traffic heading
north on HWY 41. He said the sign is now 9’ off the property line and probably 30’ from Koeller
Street.
Discussion continued on the recommended condition and on the face and lettering of the existing
sign.
Ms. Hentz withdrew her motion and Mr. Dahl removed his second.
Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to construct a parking lot with a 0’ rear yard
setback with the following condition:
1.) The existing sign to remain in its current place and only the lettering can be changed,
however if the existing sign is ever removed or replaced it is required to relocate the sign to
the 25’ setback requirement.
Seconded by Dahl. Motion approved 4-1. Nay, Krueger.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded it satisfies the requirements for a variance, the hardship was
not self created, the variance is the least possible to remove the hardship and there would be no
adverse impact on the neighboring properties.
II: 1120 S. KOELLER STREET
Flyway Signs, applicant for Wisconsin Hospitality Group (dba/Pizza Hut), is requesting a
variance to permit a roof sign, whereas Section 30-37(E)(3)(c) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning
Ordinance defines roof signs as prohibited signs.
Matt Tucker introduced the item and circulated photos.
Scott Steffen, Flyway Signs, provided photos of the building with the new signage for Pizza Hut.
Jim Metko, Wisconsin Hospitality, presented photos of the current building type and the new
proto type. He noted on the new style there is no roof sign.
Mr. Steffen questioned the condition of the sign not being internally lit.
Mr. Tucker explained that an internally lit sign would be considered an expansion of the sign. He
said staff supports putting the sign back to the way it was before, which would be the minimum
variance necessary to address the hardship. Discussion continued on the use of floodlights and
internally lit signs. Mr. Metko asked the committee to reconsider the variance with exception to
the condition of the sign not being internally lit.
Mr. Ameringer asked about the intended time frame for the new building. Mr. Steffen answered
2 ½ to 3 years. Mr. Ameringer suggested adding to condition #3 the time frame indicated for
reconstruction.
Motion by Ameringer for approval of the variance to permit a roof sign with the following
conditions:
1.) The new sign area shall be no larger than the area of the old sign.
2.) The new sign shall not be internally lit.
3.) The variance to permit a roof sign shall become void at the time the building is
reconstructed to the new corporate architectural design or January 1, 2005, whichever is
earlier.
Seconded by Hentz. Motion approved. 5-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded it was the least possible solution to put the sign back to the
way it was before and there would be no adverse impact on the neighboring properties.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 4:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Matt Tucker
Associate Planner
MT/mld