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BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES
MAY 8, 2002
PRESENT: Carl Ameringer, Fred Dahl, Cheryl Hentz, Don Krueger, Edward Wilusz,
EXCUSED: Joel Kluessendorf, John Schorse
STAFF: Matt Tucker, Associate Planner; Mary Lou Degner, Recording Secretary
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Krueger. Roll call was taken and a quorum
declared present.
The minutes of April 24, 2002 were approved as mailed. (Hentz/Ameringer) Unanimous.
I: 1840 EVANS STREET
John Beck, applicant, for Dr. Mitchell Tulip, owner, is requesting a variance to construct
a ground sign with a 15’ front yard setback, whereas Section 30-35(B)(1)(d) of the City
of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a 25’ front yard setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with pictures.
John Beck, 2269 Allerton Drive, said the owner is also requesting to put spotlights on the
sign to illuminate it for the winter months, when it is dark by 4:00 P.M. He said they
could be on a timer to turn off at 10:00 P.M. He noted that the dental office across the
street has spotlights on their existing sign.
Mr. Tucker explained the reasoning for the lighting recommendation. He said the City
has received complaints for lighting that is left on all night long and this proposed sign is
further into the setback area and noted there is residential property directly across the
street. Mr. Tucker said considering this is an office type use with daytime hours, he did
not feel a lit sign was necessary for advertising. He stated the variance request with the
condition is the least possible needed to remove any hardship.
Ms. Hentz said she had requested the item be laid over from the last meeting because the
applicant and owner were not aware of the lighting condition presented by staff. She said
she could support the request if the condition was changed to reflect that the proposed
sign be externally lit by spotlights until 9:00 or 10:00 P.M. She said noise ordinances go
until 10:00 P.M. so to be consistent 10:00 P.M., in her opinion, would be appropriate.
Chairman Krueger said he would not support the variance request with spotlights because
they create too much glare and the sign is already infringing upon the setback area. He
added it is another distraction for traffic. Chairman Krueger said he could possibly
support internal lighting, but even that would be questionable. He noted the applicant is
asking for more than what they now have, because the existing sign is not lit.
Board discussion continued with Ms. Hentz saying she could support the sign either
internally or externally lit until 10:00 P.M. She said the spotlight, in her opinion, would
be no different than the glare of headlights. Mr. Tucker explained that there are light
ordinances, which require the light be directed at the sign and not cast off onto residential
properties. Discussion continued on the possibility of a lighted sign.
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Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to construct a ground sign with a 15’
front yard setback with the following condition:
1.) The sign be internally lit, set on a timer to be off at 10:00 P.M.
Seconded by Dahl. Motion approved 4-1. Nay: Ameringer.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded there does not appear to be any adverse impact
on surrounding properties and the hardship was not self-created.
II: 2999 SHADOW LANE
Jeanne Drover, applicant and owner, requests a variance to construct a detached garage
in the front yard area, whereas Section 30-17(B)(4) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning
Ordinance requires garages to be located in the side or rear yard area.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with photos.
Jeanne Drover, 2999 Shadow Lane, said she would like to have the 12’ x 24’ building
located so there would be 5’ between the house and the proposed garage, which would
bring it 2’ closer to the road. She said she would like to retain the 5’ separation from the
house to the garage, which is required so the garage is not considered attached.
During board discussion Mr. Dahl stated this situation is typical of lake property and in
his opinion the request is not out of line. Ms. Hentz agreed, saying it would be a definite
improvement.
Mr. Tucker commented when this property was annexed, the lakeshore overlay, which
allows garages in the front yard, was not applied to this property. He added that the City
is in the process of reviewing the zoning code, text amendments and other possible
changes, which could address this situation.
Motion by Ameringer for approval of the variance to construct a detached garage in
the front yard area. Seconded by Hentz. Motion approved 5-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded that properties in the area, including this one,
are unique in layout, it will be a positive impact on the
neighborhood, and it will be more aesthetically pleasing.
III: 710 E. NEVADA AVENUE
Noffke Lumber, Inc., applicant and owner, is requesting a variance to construct a 6’ tall
chain link fence with a 0’ front yard setback for the purpose of creating an open storage
area, whereas Section 30-35(B)(1)(c) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a
25’ front yard setback for fences and Section 30-29(A) requires open storage of materials
must be screened by a solid 6’ tall fence.
Matt Tucker introduced the item and circulated photos.
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It was noted there was no applicant representation for the variance request.
The Board asked if there was any indication that the applicant would not be attending the
meeting. Mr. Tucker responded the applicant was sent notices and a staff report, but
perhaps because of the unfavorable recommendation from staff, they chose not to attend.
Mr. Dahl stated he could see no reason for the variance. Ms. Hentz said she was not
inclined to lay the item over since there was no communication from the applicant to the
fact that they would not be available for the meeting.
Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to construct a 6’ tall chain link fence
with a 0’ front yard setback for the purpose of creating an open storage area.
Seconded by Dahl. Motion denied 0-5.
IV: 928 BISMARCK AVENUE
Kris Parrish, applicant and owner, requests a variance to reconstruct the front porch,
which will result in the dwelling having a 58” front yard setback, whereas Section 30-
19(B)(3)(c) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a 25’ front yard setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item and circulated pictures.
Kris Parrish, 928 Bismarck Avenue, said the porch is the only item remaining on the
property to be redone. He said his intent is to improve the looks of the porch area for the
neighborhood.
Mr. Dahl asked if the footprint of the porch would remain the same.
Mr. Parrish said the only thing he would change would be the roofline.
Chairman Krueger asked if the porch would be screened.
Mr. Parrish answered he intended to enclose the area with glass.
Ms. Hentz said, in her opinion, it was a reasonable request, it would be a definite
improvement, and she would support the variance.
Mr. Dahl stated the property in the neighborhood is all of similar type and he too would
support the request.
Chairman Krueger commented that he normally votes against variances when the
applicant is requesting more than what they already have. He stated the applicant
presently has an open air type porch, which is already in the setback area, and is now
requesting an enclosed porch. He said he applauds the applicant in upgrading the
building, but he could not support the variance request.
Mr. Ameringer asked Chairman Krueger what his concerns were, because the
measurements are exactly the same as the existing porch.
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Chairman Krueger responded the dimensions are the same, but the applicant is now
turning an open porch into potential living space. He said if a variance was granted, then
the room could be turned into additional living space, rather than just a porch area, which
would result in an added permanent fixture to the house, that would be located in the
setback area. He added the applicant might not intend to turn the porch into living space,
however future owners would then have the opportunity to do so.
Mr. Ameringer said he was initially inclined to support the variance, however he now
understood Chairman Krueger’s point of view.
Mr. Tucker suggested the variance request could have a condition or verbiage attached to
it regarding the enclosed porch issue.
Chairman Krueger said he would support a variance to reconstruct the porch as an open
porch.
Ms. Hentz asked why staff did not share similar concerns, which Chairman Krueger
expressed.
Mr. Tucker responded he could appreciate the concern. He added there are ingress and
egress issues and the quality of life issues for the property that have to be taken into
consideration. He said it is still being viewed as a 3 season’s room and if the applicant or
future property owner were to want to add a foundation wall, it would be the Zoning
Administrator’s determination that a variance was not granted for that use.
Ms. Hentz asked the applicant if he would have a problem leaving it as a screened porch.
Mr. Parrish responded, in his opinion, it would look better to have it enclosed and if it
was to be left open it would deteriorate faster due to weather elements. He added he
might consider leaving the porch as is, if it could not be enclosed.
Board discussion continued on the possibilities of adding a condition to the variance and
adding a deed restriction to the property. It was discussed whether clarification in the
minutes would suffice versus the need for adding a deed restriction to the property. Mr.
Tucker stated that he knows of no case law where deed restrictions protected a city from
a law suit as the result of a variance that was granted, which resulted in persons being
injured because they chose to habit an area restricted as inhabitable. Discussion continued
on the option for an open-air porch. Mr. Tucker explained staff’s interpretation of an
open-air porch: a structure without a foundation wall, with a solid or open air type wall
up to the 36” railing height required by the building code, with the rest of the area,
excluding the columns for support, being either open or screened with screens or with
single pane storm/screen window combination units.It was also suggested that the
applicant has the option to withdraw his application and submit another plan for the
Board to review. Discussion continued on the definition of an open-air porch and the
differences between the usage of single pane storm/screen type windows and double hung
combination windows. Mr. Tucker noted that if the applicant were to disagree as to
staff’s interpretation of what the applicant proposes for an open-air porch, he could
request clarification in the form of an appeal to the Board of Appeals.
Motion by Dahl for approval of the variance to reconstruct an open- air front porch,
which will result in the dwelling having a 58” front yard setback, with the following
condition:
1.) The porch to be an open-air porch, with siding up to 36” and single
pane storm windows, as is determined an open-air porch by city staff.
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Seconded by Hentz. Motion approved 4-1. Nay: Krueger.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded it would be replacing an existing porch, the
dimensions are exactly the same, it would have a positive impact
on the neighboring properties, it would be an improvement
aesthetically, and other structures on the street appear to be in the
same situation.
V: 2875 N. MAIN STREET
International Group Inc., owner, and Steven Keeney, applicant are requesting a variance
to construct a canopy addition to the existing building with a 0’ side yard setback,
whereas Section 30-30(B)(2) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a 20’
side yard setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with pictures.
Steven Keeney, 14 Tri-Park Way, Appleton, WI, said the canopy will look the same as
those that are existing. He stated it is a safety issue because two cars now sit outside the
canopy area and it can be very slippery with the wet wax.
Chairman Krueger asked if railroad permits have been obtained.
Mr. Keeney replied that those issues have been addressed.
Motion by Ameringer for approval of the variance to construct a canopy addition
on the existing building with a 0’ side yard setback. Seconded by Hentz. Motion
approved 5-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded it was a unique property, safety issues were
involved, and there would be little adverse impact on the adjacent
property to the north.
VI: 500 SCOTT AVENUE
Howard Christianson, applicant and owner, is requesting a variance to provide the
required parking spaces for a two family dwelling in the 17.5’ front yard setback,
whereas Section 30-36(C)(5)(a) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires the
code compliant parking spaces shall be created out of the setback area and Section 30-
36(C)(3)(e) requires 18’ of depth for a parking space.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with pictures.
Mr. Ameringer asked for clarification on where the new parking spaces would be located.
Mr. Tucker responded the new parking spaces would be located in front of the garage and
the new garage would be 10’ closer toward the house.
Howard Christianson, 550 W. Fisk Avenue, said the requested variance would improve
the property and the neighborhood. He also noted that the current tenants have been
renting for over 10 years.
Chairman Krueger noted the new driveway would have to be paved.
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Ms. Hentz said, in her opinion, it would be a tremendous improvement.
Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to provide the required parking
spaces for a two family dwelling in the 17.5” front yard setback. Seconded by Dahl.
Motion approved 5-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: Ms. Hentz stated since the dilapidated garage had to be removed,
due to a raze order from the City of Oshkosh, it was not a self-
created hardship, the structure itself was unique, and it would be a
great improvement in appearance. Mr. Ameringer stated it needs to
meet parking requirements, and it is the least needed to remove any
hardship.
VII: 2090 S. KOELLER STREET
James McDewitt, owner, and Thomas Design, Inc., applicant are requesting a variance to
construct a three bay addition on the existing nonconforming structure, which will exceed
50% of the assessed value of the structure, whereas Section 30-4(B)(1)(c) of the City of
Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires alterations, additions and expansions of
nonconforming structures may not exceed 50% of the current total assessed value of the
structure, and a variance to allow for a parking lot with a 10' rear yard setback, whereas
Section 30-35(B)(1)(c) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a 19’3”
setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item and circulated pictures.
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Chet Wesenberg, of Thomas Design, 27 3 Street, Fond du Lac, WI, presented a site
plan for reference. He questioned why the current buffer would not be sufficient.
Mr. Tucker responded since this is not a 50% expansion, the code does not require the
landscaping be brought up to current standards, so staff would like an opportunity to
review the landscape plan to bring it up to current requirements.
Discussion continued on the existing landscaping and the fact that the screening for the
off-street parking area abutting the residence to the east is not a four-season hedge. It was
noted that solid screening protects the adjacent area from the glare of headlights.
Mr. Ameringer questioned where the expanded parking area would be.
Mr. Wesenberg explained it would be perpendicular to the side yard and rear yard area.
Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to construct a 3 bay addition on the
existing nonconforming structure, which will exceed 50% of the assessed value of
the structure, with the following condition:
1.) A landscaping plan be reviewed and approved, prior to obtaining a
building permit.
Seconded by Ameringer. Motion approved 5-0. Unanimous.
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Finding of the fact: It was concluded the landscaping will help mitigate the negative
impact on the adjacent properties, and the addition on the building
will be consistent in setback with the existing structure.
VIII: 321 PROSPECT AVENUE
David and Gail McNeil, applicants and owners, are requesting a variance to construct a
detached garage in the rear yard area with a 1’ side yard setback, whereas Section 30-
19(B)(4)(b)(v) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a 2.5” side yard
setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with pictures stating the side yard setback should be 1’
not 0’, as stated in the staff report. He noted the City does not require certified surveys
because it is their position that this process would be overly burdensome for applicants.
Mr. Tucker circulated a post construction survey. He stated that the width of the land quit
claimed was recorded in error, due to an error in the legal description dating back to1901.
Gail McNeil, 321 Prospect Avenue, said they constructed the garage believing they had
done everything right and the variance request is a result of an unfortunate error. She said
their intent is to be able to keep the garage.
Ms. Hentz questioned whether the error was made in 1901 or whether the error was a
result of the applicants drafting their own quit- claim deed.
Mr. Tucker said the piece of land that the applicant acquired was thought to be 2’ larger
than what it actually is. He said this error was created in 1901 by an error in the transfer
of property, and at the time the applicants acquired the land, City records described this
area as 30’ wide.
Mr. Ameringer asked the applicant if anyone indicated to her, during construction or at
any time, that the garage was being placed incorrectly, or if anyone expressed any
concerns.
Mrs. McNeil answered no and added they had initially contacted City staff as to the size
of the piece of property, prior to construction, and City records indicated that the size of
the property was 30’ x 30’. She said they erected the 24’ x 24’ garage in good faith.
Peter Kaufman, 317 Prospect Avenue, said he was informed that the garage was going up
and after the garage was erected he was told he would have to remove his fence. He said
he would like to be allowed to erect the rest of his fence.
Mr. Tucker clarified that the applicants bought the land believing that the fence was on
their property, but the fence is actually on the adjacent property lot line, so Mr. Kaufman
could continue erecting his fence. Discussion continued on the concern of water from the
drip line. Mr. Kaufman said he was not overly concerned, since the water run off could
be directed to the rear of the garage, and there does not appear to be a lot of standing
water on site.
Motion by Hentz for approval of the variance to construct a detached garage in the
rear yard area with a 1’ side yard setback. Seconded by Wilusz. Motion approved 5-
0. Unanimous.
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Finding of the fact: It was concluded the hardship was not self-created, there are no
existing provisions in any codes that would have prevented this
error, and the garage has already been erected.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 5:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Matt Tucker
Associate Planner
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