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BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES
JULY 24, 2002
PRESENT: Carl Ameringer, Fred Dahl, Cheryl Hentz, John Schorse
EXCUSED: Joel Kluessendorf, Don Krueger, Edward Wilusz
STAFF: Matt Tucker, Associate Planner; Mary Lou Degner, Recording Secretary
The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairperson Hentz. Roll call was taken and a
quorum declared present.
The minutes of July 10, 2002 were approved as mailed. (Schorse/Dahl)
I: 456 MOUNT VERNON STREET
Terry Laib, applicant, and Jay Karner, owner are requesting a variance to reconstruct a
front porch that will result in the front porch having a 21’ front yard setback to Mount
Vernon Street, whereas Section 30-22(B)(4) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance
requires a 25’front yard setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with photos.
Mr. Ameringer asked if the house was a historic designated property or in a historic
district.
Terry Laib, 1347 Washington Avenue, said he was there on behalf of Jay Karner, and
responded that the property is eligible for the Historical Register as indicated in the
Intensive Research Survey performed in the 1980’s, but it is not in a historic district. Mr.
Laib noted the home is listed as “pivotal”, which means it has historic value, and he
further explained the eligibility of a property for historical status. He said the owners
have completed a great deal of restoration on the property and the porch is now in need of
repair.
Discussion continued on the implications of properties listed in the national register of
historic places, and its implications in regard to zoning. Mr. Laib explained historic
preservation specialists try to argue for variances to the codes that are not going to be a
threat to health and safety issues, but that are significant to the architectural integrity of
the house, such as historic railings on porches.
Mr. Laib asked if the proposed condition of the variance would affect the homeowner’s
desire to have a railing design that is not open balusters (as is depicted on the site plan),
but which would actually be frame and panel.
Mr. Tucker explained the intent of the condition is for the porch to not be enclosed with
double hung windows, and heated, which allow for the area to be a habitable living space.
During board discussion Mr. Schorse stated, in his opinion, the item is very
straightforward because the porch that is in disrepair is being replaced with one, which
will reflect the style of the house. Mr. Ameringer added that the same footprint, as the
existing porch, is being used.
Motion by Ameringer for approval of the variance to reconstruct a front porch that
will result in the porch having a 21’ front yard setback to Mount Vernon Streeet
with the following condition:
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1.)The porch may not be enclosed in any manner, nor used for
habitable heated living space.
Seconded by Dahl. Motion approved 4-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded it was the least possible variance needed
because it will fit within the existing footprint, the hardship was
not self created because the principal structure was built before the
current setbacks were in effect, there are similar setbacks in the
area, and there would be no adverse impact on neighboring
properties.
II: 555 KIRKWOOD DRIVE
Steve Kosmer, applicant and owner, is requesting a variance to construct a 144 square
foot utility storage structure, whereas Section 30-17(B)(4)(iii) of the City of Oshkosh
Zoning Ordinance requires utility structures be a minimum of 100 square feet.
Matt Tucker introduced the item.
Mr. Ameringer asked when the Zoning Code update would be presented to the Planning
Commission and Common Council.
Mr. Tucker replied that it is intended for the recommended changes to be presented to the
Planning Commission in September or early October, with Council action to follow
shortly thereafter in the fall.
Steve Kosmer, 555 Kirkwood Drive, said that at the time he took down the old shed he
did not realize there was a 100 square foot maximum size allowance. He explained they
had recently remodeled their home and the structure would be of the same materials as
their house. Mr. Kosmer said he has already ordered the trusses and according to the city
handout he assumed he could build the 144 square foot structure as long as it was on a
slab. He explained he was made aware of the size limitation when he applied for the
building permit.
Mr. Ameringer asked the applicant if there were particular circumstances as to why he
doesn’t wait for the Zoning updates to go into affect.
Mr. Kosmer said he would like to clean up the area and he has the materials left over
from the remodeling of the house.
Vice Chairperson Hentz asked the size of the previous shed.
Mr. Kosmer said it was an old metal, barn like structure, which was about 9’8” x 11’. He
said he is now proposing a 12’ x 12’ (144’) structure.
Mr. Ameringer asked if the proposed size is in the provisions that are being drafted for
the update.
Mr. Tucker explained staff is recommending a maximum of 150’ and a total of 30% rear
yard area for allowance of storage structures. Discussion continued on the likelihood of
the updates being approved by Council.
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During board discussion Mr. Ameringer stated he is somewhat uncomfortable with this
especially since the last session, where Attorney Kraft indicated that there are some
problems in approving these storage
sheds, but on the other hand, staff is recommending approval of the variance and the
updates to the Zoning Code are likely to be approved.
Motion by Schorse for approval of the variance to construct a 144 square foot utility
storage structure. Seconded by Dahl. Motion approved 4-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded the variance request is in line with future
changes, the substantiation for this is based upon the statements
that Mr. Tucker made in regards to the fact that staff is
recommending approval and the strong likelihood that the Zoning
Code updates will be approved forthwith and there would be no
adverse impact on neighboring properties.
III: 721 WASHINGTON AVENUE
Roger & Anne Cutts, applicants and owners, are requesting a variance to construct a
detached garage in the front yard area that will have a 4’+ setback to Shawano Avenue,
whereas Section 30-21(B)(6)(d)(i) of the City of Oshkosh Zoning Ordinance requires a
25’ front yard setback.
Matt Tucker introduced the item with pictures. He noted it may be necessary for the
applicants to obtain a variance from the Traffic Review Board for a 12’ driveway setback
from a block corner in a residential area. Mr. Tucker also noted there is a curb style storm
sewer inlet that may need to be addressed when the driveway is constructed.
Roger and Anne Cutts presented a letter from Mark Huddleston, Transportation Director,
stating approval for the driveway approach opening to be located 12 feet from the right-
of-way line and stating that a curb cut permit would need to be obtained from the Public
Works Department prior to actual construction. Mrs. Cutts said she also spoke with Ed
Potempa, City Engineer, who gave approval for a flush mount storm sewer inlet in the
new driveway area.
Discussion continued on the removal of the present garage and the location of the
proposed driveway.
It was noted that great improvements have been made at the property since the applicants
have taken ownership.
During board discussion Mr. Schorse stated, in his opinion the options are limited, and
Vice Chairperson Hentz said it would be a great improvement.
Motion by Dahl for approval of the variance to construct a detached garage in the
front yard area that will have a 4’+ setback to Shawano Avenue. Seconded by
Ameringer. Motion approved 4-0. Unanimous.
Finding of the fact: It was concluded because of the uniqueness of the lot the options
were limited, it would be an improvement to the neighborhood,
and the hardship was not self-created.
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OTHER BUSINESS
Mr. Tucker explained that in regard to the storage shed situations, staff explains the
present code to the applicants and explains what is being proposed for the Zoning Code
Text Amendment. He said staff
advises the applicant that they have a choice of whether to apply for the variance or to
wait for the update to be approved. Mr. Tucker said he realizes how difficult these
decisions are for the Board.
Vice Chairperson Hentz asked about the concern raised at the meeting of July 10, 2002 in
regard to the speed limit in the alley behind 624-654 Otter Avenue. Mr. Tucker indicated
that in conversations with David Patek, Director of Public Works, Mark Huddleston,
Director of Transportation, and David Erickson, Police Chief, a 15 MPH speed limit sign
would be appropriate. Mr. Tucker explained all the information has been forwarded to the
appropriate departments and it may require an Ordinance change. He further indicated
Mr. Patek had indicated that a speed bump is not policy due to potential maintenance
problems.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 4:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Matt Tucker
Associate Planner
MT/mld