HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutesBOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES
March 10, 2010
PRESENT: Dan Carpenter, Robert Cornell, Jane Cryan, Dennis Penney, Ed Wilusz
EXCUSED: Mark Nielson, Cheryl Hentz
STAFF: Todd Muehrer, Associate Planner /Zoning Administrator; Deborah Foland, Recording
Secretary
Chairperson Cornell called the meeting to order at 3:30 p.m. Roll call was taken and a quorum declared present.
The minutes of February 10, 2010 were approved with the following correction: Mr. Carpenter requested that the
following verbiage be added to paragraph 14, page 2. A neighborhood meeting was held at Jacob Shapiro School.
The principal was present and left early. Penney /Carpenter 5 -0.
ITEM L• 760 W. 6 TH AVENUE
Chet Wesenberg Architect LLC- applicant, David L. Lyons- owner, request variances to permit a commercial
tavern development to establish a 15' front yard (south) setback and a 10' transitional yard (east) setback.
Additionally, variances are requested to not install 6 inch high curbing around the proposed off - street
parking area and to reduce the minimum number of required off - street parking stalls to 11. Section 30 -24
(B)(3)(c) of the Oshkosh Municipal Code: C -1 Neighborhood Business District requires a 20' front yard
setback, Section 30 -35 (B)(1)(c): Additional Standards and Exceptions requires a 19'2" transitional yard
(east) setback, Section 30- 36(E)(4): Off - Street Parking Facilities requires 6 inch high curbing around all off -
street parking areas, and Section 30- 36(F)(2): Off - Street Parking Facilities requires 14 off - street parking
stalls.
Mr. Muehrer distributed photos of the subject site and reviewed the staff report on the item. He explained
that the subject property previously featured a mixed use (i.e. commercial tavern on the lower level with two
family dwelling on the upper level) structure with associated site improvements. However the principal
structure was severely damaged by fire and subsequently razed in April 2009. The owner is currently
proposing to construct a new wood -framed 1,455 s.f commercial tavern with associated site improvements.
Chet Wesenberg, 3265 Casey Trail, petitioner for the request, stated that he was supportive of the staff
recommendation and that the request was generated due to the previous structure being destroyed due to fire.
He further stated that the owner had operated the tavern on site for the past 14 years and had developed a
new plan to reconstruct the site with a significantly reduced scale of the building and eliminating the two
apartments that previously existed above the business use on the lower level. He was also proposing to
maximize the parking on the site creating 11 stalls in place of the 5 stalls that previously existed and
increasing the setbacks with the addition of landscaping elements. He was proposing to reuse the existing
fence which would be reinforced with hedges to offer more acoustical privacy. He commented that the
proposed plan would reduce the impact of the site on the residential uses in the surrounding area.
Mr. Carpenter questioned if the tavern would be serving food as well.
Mr. Wesenberg responded that it would be a tavern use only with no food sales.
Mr. Wilusz questioned the necessity to request a variance to not install the 6 inch high curbing around the
off - street parking area.
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Mr. Wesenberg replied that the main reason was the grading on the site. Current code requires that all
stormwater runoff must be collected and conveyed from the site and the curbing would impede this process.
Erich Wenzel, 751 W. 5th Avenue, read a letter composed by Scott and Lisa Schettle, 802 W. 6 th Avenue,
voicing their concerns with the lack of parking in the area, particularly on W. 6 th Avenue. They felt that
parking on Idaho Street was also congested and that the new business would create more problems with
parking issues on the street. They felt it was a safety issue and wanted on- street parking restricted in the area
surrounding the proposed tavern. Mr. Wenzel questioned what the occupancy rating was for the tavern.
Mr. Wesenberg stated that those figures had not yet been calculated.
Mr. Wenzel also voiced his concerns with what he felt was harm to the public interest and listed the various
taverns that existed in the neighborhood and stated that he did not feel another tavern was desirable at this
location. He felt that re- establishing this use on the site was exposing children to bad influences such as
drinking and smoking as there is a park located across the street from the proposed site.
Mr. Cornell stated that moral issues cannot be considered when reviewing a variance request and that only
issues relating to items such as setbacks or other matters relative to the variance request can be taken into
consideration.
Mr. Wenzel stated that he was concerned with patrons of the tavern being closer to their property and was
also concerned with the existing elevations of the site being modified. He further stated that excessive
stormwater runoff flows towards his property and without the required curbing; he is anticipating the
situation to be intensified. He also commented about a boat trailer previously being left in the parking lot
which patrons were tying their animals to while in the tavern. He is not in favor of the variances being
granted.
Jeanne Kairis, 748 W. 6 th Avenue, stated that she has lived in her home for the past 35 years and has not
experienced problems with the tavern establishment in the past which has always been a nice quiet
neighborhood bar. She further stated that they had a fence on their property and was concerned that the
tavern would be utilizing their fence and also had concerns with the grading and drainage of the parking lot
as flooding issues have occurred in the neighborhood in the past.
Mr. Cornell inquired if her home was directly east of the subject site.
Ms. Kairis responded affirmatively. She also commented that she and her husband had concerns with the
reduced setback from their property for the trash enclosure as they have a pool and patio in the backyard and
the dumpster could create issues with bugs and odors on their property.
James Kairis, 748 W. 6 th Avenue, added that he would like to see the trash enclosure relocated to the
northeast corner of the property as it would be farther away from their backyard.
Mr. Carpenter questioned if drainage plans had been reviewed for the site.
Mr. Muehrer responded that if the variance requests were approved, the proposal will go through the site
plan review process which involves various departments within the City, including the Department of Public
Works, who would be required to review and approve the grading and drainage plans to ensure that they
meet local and state regulations. He further stated that a catch basin would be required in the parking lot to
collect and convey stormwater runoff to the storm sewer.
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Mr. Kairis inquired how close the hedge would be to his fence.
Mr. Muehrer replied that a detailed landscaping plan has not yet been submitted, but the location of the
hedges would be dictated by the type of species proposed.
Mr. Cornell asked if the off - street parking was being increased or decreased from what previously existed on
the site.
Mr. Muehrer responded that it was being increased as there were only 5 stalls previously and this proposed
plan would increase the number of stalls to 11.
Mr. Penney commented that the property owner should have the ability to re- establish the use on the site and
suggested that moving the trash enclosure to a different area should be considered.
Mr. Muehrer stated that the alternatives for the trash enclosure would be to leave it in the location as
proposed, to relocate it which would further reduce the number of parking stalls and encroach into the rear
yard setback, or have the owner handle all refuse internally which would eliminate the need for the dumpster
on the site altogether.
Board members discussed various scenarios for the relocation of the trash enclosure, how often the trash
would be picked up, possibly reducing the size of the enclosure, and altering the layout of the parking lot to
accommodate the enclosure in a different area. It was determined that the relocation of the dumpster or
altering the parking lot would more or less be trading one variance for another.
Mr. Wesenberg stated that the proposed dumpster was 12 feet by 12 feet and could be reduced to 12 feet by 6
feet which would allow the trash enclosure to be moved by four to six feet to the north without reducing the
number of parking stalls or altering the layout of the parking lot. It would also require the trash to be picked
up more frequently which would reduce the concerns of bugs and odors. He further stated that they were not
proposing to do anything to the existing fence mentioned earlier and that they would only be adding a hedge
along the fencing.
Mr. Wenzel commented that moving the trash enclosure further north would be moving it closer to his
property.
Mr. Kairis reiterated that their main concern was bugs and odors from the dumpster by their deck and pool
area.
Mr. Carpenter inquired about the setbacks of the former site prior to the fire.
Mr. Muehrer responded that the former tavern use was a nonconforming building and parking lot which
required patrons to exit the site in a backward motion. The proposed plan would move the structure out of
the vision triangle, would improve the grading and drainage on the site, and would improve the parking area
as patrons would be entering and exiting the site in a forward motion. It would be substantially improved
from what formerly existed on the site.
Board members had further discussion on the trash enclosure and setbacks for the site. It was determined
that reducing the size of the enclosure would allow it to be moved four feet thus increasing the transitional
yard (east) setback from 10 feet to 14 feet. Traffic issues were also discussed and it was determined that the
Traffic Review Board would handle any issues regarding this matter.
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Motion by Penney to alter the variance request to establish a 10' transitional yard (east) setback to a
14' transitional yard (east) setback.
Seconded by Carpenter. Motion carried 5 -0.
Motion by Penney to approve the request for a variance to permit a commercial tavern development
to establish a I5' front yard (south) setback, a 14' transitional yard (east) setback, to not install 6
inch high curbing around the proposed off - street parking area, and to reduce the minimum number of
off - street parking stalls to IL
Seconded by Carpenter. Motion carried 5 -0.
Finding of Facts:
Least variance necessary
No harm to public interest
Improved parking lot area
DISCUSSION OF BOA PROCEDURES
Mr. Carpenter stated that he was wondering if the variance granted to the City to construct a chain link fence
surrounding Quarry Park could be brought back to the Board for reconsideration as he had concerns with the
safety of the children at Jacob Shapiro School. He felt that an additional crossing guard should be posted on
the corner of W. 17 Avenue and Knapp Street for the 18 month period the fence would be on site. He went
into details of his conversation with the school's principal, who apparently did not attend the meeting with
the Department of Public Works regarding this issue. The meeting notice process was discussed and it was
determined that the school's administration was properly notified of the meeting to consider the variance
request; however they failed to forward it to the appropriate schools in the area. He also discussed the matter
with various departments of the City; however there is no money budgeted to cover the additional costs of
another crossing guard at this intersection. The Department of Public Works did agree to move the fence as
far from the sidewalk as possible and contacted the principals of both area schools regarding the matter. The
City Attorney informed him that to bring the item back to the Board for reconsideration would require a
lawsuit being brought forward first.
Mr. Cornell stated that he wished to clarify the proper procedure involving contact with an applicant for a
variance prior to the meeting. If an applicant calls any Board member or if contact is made during a site visit
prior to the meeting, the item cannot be discussed and it is the Board member's responsibility to inform the
applicant of that fact. This should be disclosed at the meeting, but only if contact is made. If the applicant
just leaves a message to contact him and the call is not returned, it is not necessary to disclose this at the
meeting.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 4:35 p.m. (Carpenter/Wilusz).
Respectfully submitted,
Todd Muehrer
Associate Planner /Zoning Administrator
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