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ADVISORY PARK BOARD
MINUTES
FEBRUARY 8, 2010
Present: Tony Duff, Bob Freid, Bill Gogolewski, Dennis McHugh, Jim Michelson, Mark Philipp, Allan Siiman,
Terry Wohler
Excused: Kay Hansen
Staff: Bill Sturm, Interim Parks Director/Landscape Operations Manager/City Forester; Scott Greuel,
Chief of Police; Tim Franz, Fire Chief; Lynn Lorenson, City Attorney; Trish Wendorf, Recording
Secretary
Mr. Sturm introduced the new Parks Director, Ray Maurer, to the Board. Mr. Maurer gave a brief synopsis of his
employment & educational background. He stated he is looking forward to working with staff, the Board, City
Council and the City Manager.
CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL
Chairman Gogolewski called the meeting to order at 6:00 P.M. A quorum was determined to be present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Wohler for approval of the January 11, 2010 minutes, as submitted. Seconded by Siiman.
Motion carried 8-0.
PARK BUSINESS
1)Dogs in Parks/Enforcement of Ordinances
At Mr. McHugh’s invitation, Scott Greuel, Chief of Police, was present to discuss enforcement issues with City
Ordinance violations.
Chief Greuel stated that the dog in parks issue, from an enforcement standpoint, is complaint based. He stated
his force does not spent a lot of time actively enforcing animal complaints. The CSO’s (Community Service
Officers) handle the dog at large violations. Dogs being walked by their owners in parks are not one of those top
priority issues. Most people that walk their dogs appear to be responsible dog owners. Chief Greuel stated he
spends a lot of time of the trail behind Traeger School and he sees first hand responsible pet owners walking their
dogs.
Mr. Michelson stated in Menominee Park it is a violation to have a dog in the park, yet they are present. He
doesn’t feel it is up to the public to address those violations. Who is responsible for enforcing the no dogs in
parks, no feeding geese/gulls, etc.?
Chief Greuel stated it is a shared enforcement – Parks Department staff and the Police Department.
Ms. Lorenson stated generally the Parks Department staff has the authority to enforce the ordinance under the
Municipal Code (Chapters 6 and 19). Parks staff does not carry citation books and are not trained, so it does fall
onto the Police Department.
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Mr. McHugh inquired as to how many patrol officers are employed by the Oshkosh PD?
Chief Greuel stated there are 99 sworn officers and 62 patrol officers.
Mr. McHugh stated he does not feel that enforcement of the no dogs in parks issue could be enforced.
2)Special Event Policy
Ellen Schmidt, 4303 Swallow Banks Drive, stated she was present on behalf of the Oshkosh Patriotic Council and
read a proclamation (said proclamation on file at the City Parks office and made a part of these minutes). She
stated the Patriotic Council’s goal is to urge the City Council to reconsider the proposed Special Event Policy.
Roy Helms, 2540 Clover Street, member of the American Legion and a Veteran, gave a brief history of the
American Legion Riders Association’s parade to salute the troops and the Aces Motorcycle Ride fundraiser. He
stated that both these associations do not have the funds to pay the proposed special event fees.
Ms. Lorenson stated the proposed special event policy contains criteria for waiving fees and noted that parades
usually would meet those criteria.
Butch Kuehl, President of the Patriotic Council, stated their group only has minimum funds. He noted other units
have been assessed fees so the Patriotic Council could become incorporated and now they are being asked to
assess more fees to those units for the proposed special event policy and these smaller groups do not have the
funds available.
Mr. Maurer stated there are a lot of factors for waiving the fee, i.e. financial burden. He does not think that the
proposed special event policy will hinder their parades.
Mr. McHugh stated that Sawdust Days is the largest event held in the city and inquired as to the perceived impact
the proposed special event policy might have on that event.
Ms. Schmidt stated the proposed special event policy would have a large negative impact on the event since the
event funds are very low. The Sawdust Days committee was directed to upgrade their security and they
complied to their financial detriment. The proposed special event policy contains more fees and the Sawdust
Days committee does not feel they can continue to pay more and more each year especially in light of the fact
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that they already pay for one-half of the expense of the 4 of July fireworks and the extra security.
Ms. Lorenson gave a brief overview of the proposed special event policy which was a directive of the City Council.
There were concerns that the Council had about city costs of special events and who should bare those costs.
Different city departments dealt with different events and public information wasn’t always easily accessible.
Extra ordinary services that specifically resulted from special events (i.e. city employees being assigned to a
certain events resulting in overtime) needed to be addressed. The proposed special event policy allows for all
departments within the city to be made aware of any extra ordinary services that may be required and also
allows for all city departments to be made aware of an event that may affect how they conduct their business
during that time period.
Duane Cannon, 1733 Lombard Avenue, stated it would financially hurt the Patriotic Council to have to pay the
special event fees for each event to recognize our veterans.
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Tina Hafemann, 907 Washington Avenue, stated safety and accountability is important and the proposed special
event policy addresses those issues. She believes the proposed policy is good, well-written and thorough.
Mr. Fried stated he believes the proposed policy is great and the fees are more than fair.
Mr. Philipp stated he had conversations with Steve Lenz of the Sawdust Days committee to get his input and Mr.
Lenz informed him that Sawdust Days is a non-profit organization that has minimum funds available to keep it
going and with the proposed special event fees being imposed, Sawdust Days may not be able to return in future
years. Mr. Lenz stated he feels the proposed policy is similar to the one that Appleton has and noted that
Appleton put their policy in place because they don’t want festivals there.
Mr. Duff stated he feels staff did a wonderful job with the proposed policy and concurred with Mr. Fried’s
comments. He feels it is responsible planning on the part of the City and event organizers and supports the
proposed special event policy.
Mr. Michelson stated he has mixed feelings with respect to the proposed policy. He likes the checklist and noted
that when special events were brought before the Park Advisory Board for approval, he always asked for a site
plan which helped to determine how the event would be affecting City services. But, he feels the proposed
special event policy is too complicated.
Mr. McHugh inquired as to why the million dollars worth of insurance required.
Ms. Lorenson stated anyone can sue anyone over anything for any amount and the required million dollar
insurance policy is for both the City’s and the event organizers’ protection. She noted staff is also investigating a
tiered type of insurance requirement for the proposed special event policy.
Chairman Gogolewski stated he feels the proposed special event policy is a good check list and shows good
planning.
Mr. Wohler stated he will not support the proposed special event policy.
Mr. McHugh stated when the proposed special event policy comes before the City Council for approval, he will
attempt to pass the resolution in such a manner that it will sunset in 1-2 years to determine the policy’s
effectiveness.
Motion by Fried for approval of the proposed special event policy as submitted. Seconded by McHugh.
Motion carried 5-1 with 2 abstaining (AYES: Duff, Fried, Gogolewski, McHugh, Siiman; NAYS:
Michelson; ABSTAINING: Philipp and Wohler).
3) Miller’s Bay Weeds Issue Update
Mr. Maurer stated staff is trying to set up a meeting with the DNR personnel and personnel from Onterra to finish
up the management plan.
Mr. Siiman stated he thought a weed harvester was part of the Onterra’s recommendation.
Mr. Sturm stated that was one of their recommendations and noted that once there is a finalized plan, said plan
will be brought before the Board for consideration.
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4)Ice Skating Ring – Quarry Park
Mr. Fried stated that he would like future discussion on this issue. He is of the opinion that private sponsors
would be able to help maintain a rink at Quarry Park.
Mr. Siiman stated that Public Works Director, Dave Patek, stated that the Quarry Park would be closed off until
June 2011 and after that time, it would be up to the Parks Department as to what they would like to do with the
park.
Mr. Wohler agreed that there should be at least one rink in the city.
Mr. Michelson stated a city this size should be able to support at least one ice rink as it fits a need within the City.
Mr. Maurer stated that future discussions could be held on this issue and noted that he will have staff investigate
past cost records with regard to ice skating rinks.
5) Fast Club Organization Update
No determination had been made as to the cost of the 40 acres that the School Board was requesting, but Mr.
McHugh stated he would check into it.
Chairman Gogolewski stated that staff felt that they would be able to place one diamond at Rainbow Park for the
Fast Club. He suggested that Bauman Park would allow for a small diamond. Although neither location would
allow for a concession stand, at least the girls would be able to play ball.
Discussion ensued as to moving the BMX bike area to enable two diamonds to be placed at Rainbow. Chairman
Gogolewski pointed out that with the boat launch area and golf course, during the summertime, parking is a
problem. There was also discussion in the past as to putting in another boat launch in that area which would
make parking even more of an issue.
Mr. Maurer stated he has not had the opportunity to meet with Mr. Kuehl as to the Fast Club organization’s
immediate needs, but hoped to be able to do that in the near future. He also suggested that the comprehensive
park and open space plan be updated, but in the interim, the club’s immediate needs could be addressed.
CITIZEN’S STATEMENTS
There were no citizen’s statements.
PARK DIRECTOR/STAFF REPORTS
1)General Parks Operations Update
Mr. Maurer thanked staff for their help during his transition to the Parks Director position. He stated he is
working with Ms. Wendorf on the Leach Amphitheater events and noted that to date they have booked the Kids
from Wisconsin and the Dragon Acrobats from China as well as the Waterfest Concert series, among other
events.
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2)Landscape Operations Manager’s Report
Mr. Sturm stated he is working with the Oshkosh Area Community Foundation on an urban beautification
program (Taking Root campaign) which is designed to implement a city-wide tree program and gateway
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landscaping throughout the city. There is a kick off meeting scheduled for Monday, February 22 beginning at
5:30 P.M. at the Oshkosh Convention Center which he invited the Board members to attend.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no other business,
Motion by Wohler for adjournment; seconded by Fried. Motion carried 8-0. The meeting adjourned at
8:11 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Trish Wendorf
Trish Wendorf
Recording Secretary