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PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 5, 2000
PRESENT: Wm. (Lee) Bettes, Lurton Blassingame, Melanie Bloechl, David Borsuk, Steven Gehling,
Donald Krueger, Achim Reschenberg, James Smith, and John Ruppenthal; Chairman
EXCUSED: Donald Pressley
STAFF: Jackson Kinney; Director of Community Development, John Bluemke; Principal Planner,
and Vickie Rand; Recording Secretary
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Ruppenthal. Roll call was taken and a quorum declared
present.
The minutes of the August 15, 2000 meeting were approved as mailed.
I: CONSENT AGENDA
A: AUTHORIZATION TO ACQUIRE STORM SEWER EASEMENTS SOUTH OF RYF
ROAD
The Department of Public Works requests the Plan Commission to review and approve the acquisition
of a permanent storm sewer easement from Community Church and a temporary storm sewer easement
from Grundy Enterprises. The easements will be located south of Ryf Road on property that is zoned R-
1PD Single Family Residential with a Planned Development Overlay.
B. PRIVILEGE IN STREET: 1800 JACKSON STREET
Delta Environmental Consultants, Inc., Petitioner; for AMOCO Marketing Environmental Services Co.,
owner, requests the Plan Commission to review and approve a Privilege in Street to allow the
placement/installation of monitoring wells in a City right-of-way. The monitoring wells will be in the
northeast and northwest corners of the intersection of Jackson Street and Murdock Avenue and are
required for an ongoing environmental investigation of the former Amoco Service Station that was on
the site currently occupied by the Walgreen’s store.
C. PRIVILEGE IN STREET: 3000 POBEREZNY ROAD
The EAA requests the Plan Commission to review and approve a Privilege in Street to allow the
placement/installation of a fence in a City right-of-way.
Plan Commission Minutes Page 2 September 5, 2000
D: LAND DIVISION 2092 WITZEL AVENUE
Craig Kinderman petitioner and owner, requests the Plan Commission to review and approve a two-lot
land division for property located at 2092 Witzel Avenue. The general area is characterized by
commercial and residential land uses, and the property is zoned R-1 Single Family Residence District.
E: EXTRATERRITORIAL LAND DIVISION WEST OF STONEWOOD DRIVE
BETWEEN SUNNYHILL AVENUE AND STONEWOOD COURT
Thomas Pupter, petitioner and owner, requests the Plan Commission to review and approve an
extraterritorial land division for property generally located west of Stonewood Drive between Sunnyhill
Avenue and Stonewood Court in the Town of Black Wolf. Per the Town of Black Wolf zoning map the
property is zoned R-1 residential, and the property is vacant.
F: EXTRATERRITORIAL LAND DIVISIONS NORTHWEST CORNER OF
INTERSECTION OF STH 21 AND SAND PIT ROAD
Thomas Hughes, petitioner and owner, requests the Plan Commission review and approve six
extraterritorial land divisions for property generally located on the northwest corner of STH 21 and
Sand Pit Road. The property is in the Town of Omro and is vacant. It is subject to Winnebago County
zoning and is split between A-2 General Farming and B-2 Community Business District.
G. EXTRATERRITORIAL FINAL PLAT OLDE APPLE ACRES
John Mark, petitioner for Security Land Development Inc., owner requests the Plan Commission review
and approve an Extraterritorial Final Plat known as Olde Apple Acres which is generally located west
of Leonard Point Road and north of STH 21 in the Town of Algoma.
There was no discussion regarding the consent agenda.
Motion by Bettes for approval of the consent agenda. Seconded by Bloechl. Motion carried
9-0.
II: OFFICIAL MAPPING – HIGHWAY 41/ HIGHWAY 110
The Wisconsin Department of Transportation (DOT) requests the Plan Commission to review and
approve the official mapping of right-of-way for the future Highway 110/Highway 41 interchange.
There was no discussion on this item.
Motion by Blassingame for approval of the official mapping of the northwest quadrant of
the future Highway 41/Highway 110 interchange. Seconded by Bloechl. Motion carried 9-0.
Plan Commission Minutes Page 3 September 5, 2000
III: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT/REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW 1100 W.
20TH AVENUE
Oshkosh Central Credit Union, petitioner and owner, requests the Plan Commission to review and
approve a revised conditional use permit/development plan for property generally located at 1100 W.
20th Avenue. The request is to close an access point from the shared drive to the credit union and create
a new exit on the west side of the credit union parcel.
Mr. Smith questioned if the only access to the site would be over private land to the east. Mr. Bluemke
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stated that a 30’ strip of land provides access on 20 Avenue through a cross access agreement that has
been recorded with Winnebago County.
Mr. Reschenberg questioned if the driveway to the site had been flared for easy access. Mr. Bluemke
stated that there is an Access Control Ordinance in effect that controls the access points and a request
would have to be submitted to the Traffic Advisory Review Board if the driveway would exceed 30’.
Mrs. Bloechl stated a recommendation should be made for the Traffic Advisory Review Board to review
the driveway.
Motion by Reschenberg for approval of the Conditional Use Permit/Revised Development
Plan for the Oshkosh Central Credit Union to allow for the creation of an exit drive on the
west side of the property subject to the following conditions:
1)The first driveway to the property on the east side be eliminated.
2) The Traffic Advisory Review Board look into flaring the driveway that provides
egress from it’s site.
Seconded by Bloechl. Motion carried 9-0.
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IV: REZONING – EAST OF 1485 W. 20 AVENUE
Beechwood Plaza Hotel of Oshkosh, petitioner for Winnebago County, owner, requests the Plan
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Commission to review and approve the rezoning of property east of 1485 W. 20 Avenue from M-3
General Industrial District to C-2 General Commercial District.
Thomas Arnot, Beechwood Plaza Hotel of Oshkosh, LLC, stated he was available to answer any
questions the Plan Commission may have.
Mr. Reschenberg stated he would like the developer to look into flaring the driveways as a safety
precaution.
Mrs. Bloechl stated it appeared to be a wonderful use of the property.
Robert Kujava, 504 W. Nevada Street, stated he agreed with Mr. Reschenberg and also asked the
Commission to consider the addition of a street to run north/south to service the site and the site that
may be developed to the east. He suggested that if that was not feasible to consider an eastbound turn
lane in the right-of-way for ingress and egress. Mr. Kinney stated he would work with the Public Works
Department on this issue.
Plan Commission Minutes Page 4 September 5, 2000
Motion by Bloechl for approval of the rezoning from M-3 General Industrial District to C-
2 General Commercial District. Seconded by Blassingame. Motion carried 9-0.
V: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT/ DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW 660 OAK STREET
The Great Lakes Companies, petitioner and owner, requests the Plan Commission to review and
approve a conditional use permit/development plan for property located at 660 Oak Street. The land use
pattern in the area is characterized by residential land uses, Menominee Park, and the former Mercy
Medical Center complex.
Bill Seno, Great Lakes Companies, handed out pictures of the apartment complex showing elevations,
the removal of six parking spaces, and the air conditioning units barely visible behind the railings. He
explained the development was designed to be neighborhood friendly by utilizing the maximum amount
of green space towards the lake and the park, and by providing 50 underground parking spaces. He
stated the Prairie style of architecture was used which gives the building a “T” shape which allows
balconies or patios to be designed to enjoy the lake view.
Mr. Borsuk asked what was planned for the parcel titled “Area Designated or Undeveloped Parcel”. Mr.
Seno stated it would be given to the City at some future date. Mr. Borsuk asked if a condition could be
made to have it remain as parkland, and for the developer to maintain the parcel until the City receives
it. Mr. Borsuk also asked if was possible to have the entire exterior of the building be brick. Mr. Seno
stated the budget wouldn’t allow for an entirely brick exterior. Mr. Borsuk questioned whether the
intention for the building to house the independent elderly (55 and older) should be made a condition of
the conditional use permit. Mr. Seno stated the independent clientele was a condition of the federal tax
credits for a 15 year period. He stated the City could make a condition for a longer time period if they so
desired.
Mr. Gehling questioned what split block was as used on the exterior of the building. Mr. Seno stated it
was concrete and they were considering to replace it with a single brick element for the two lower levels
to eliminate the “busy” look of the building.
Discussion followed regarding the federal tax credits, what would happen if the building were sold to
another entity, and if a condition should be placed on the apartment complex to house the independent
elderly for longer than a 15 year period. Mr. Kinney stated if anyone wanted to change the status of
clientele for the development before 15 years had expired they would need to have it reviewed by the
Plan Commission and approved by the Common Council.
Lucy Plummer, 703 Hazel Street, stated she was in support of the apartment complex for the
independent elderly (55 and older), and stated the design of the apartments wouldn’t be suitable for large
families or low income clientele.
Discussion continued on whether to make a condition to establish the apartment complex for the
independent elderly for longer than a 15 year time frame, considering the history of single family
housing in the area, the need to stabilize the neighborhood, and too much government control.
Plan Commission Minutes Page 5 September 5, 2000
Motion by Blassingame for approval of the Conditional Use Permit/Revised Development
Plan for the 64-unit apartment complex for the elderly with the condition that the “Area
Designated or Undeveloped Parcel” be maintained by the developer until the City of
Oshkosh accepts its ownership. Seconded by Reschenberg. Motion carried 8-1. Nay:
Borsuk.
VI: REZONING; CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT/FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW
1040 N. KOELLER STREET TO 1965 OSHKOSH AVENUE
Father Carr’s Place 2B LTD, petitioner and owner, requests the Plan Commission to review and approve
a rezoning from C-2 General Commercial District to C-2PD, General Commercial District with a
Planned Development Overlay, for property generally located at 1040 N. Koeller Street to 1965
Oshkosh Avenue. The petitioner is also requesting the Plan Commission to review and approve the
conditional use permit/ development plan for the property.
Mrs. Bloechl questioned what created the need for a conditional use permit. Mr. Bluemke stated the
conditional use permit was needed for the limited stay facility, which facilities are only be allowed in a
C-1 zoning district.
Christine Bartol, Excel Engineering Inc., 100 Camelot Drive, Fond du Lac, WI, displayed color photo’s
of the floor plan for the three story limited stay facility. She also displayed a map of the landscaping
plan and pointed out the lower retention pond that would also serve the site to the south. She discussed
the color and materials that would be used in the construction of the facility, pointed out the location of
the main entrance along with the proximity of the residential neighborhood.
Mrs. Bloechl questioned the value of the project. Ms. Bartol stated it was approximately $2 million
dollars.
Mr. Reschenberg asked if this would have any bearing on the Highway 21 and Highway 41 interchange.
Mr. Kinney stated the reconstruction of this area was done according to the Department of
Transportation plans. Mr. Reschenberg also asked if flared driveways had been planned for the
development. Ms. Bartol stated they would address that issue.
Mr. Smith asked if this facility would be for general use or if it was an extension of Father Carr’s
services. Father Carr stated the facility would not be open to the general public, but would replace
services offered downtown. Discussion followed on the need for an 82-unit facility, the design of the
rooms, and the definition of a limited stay facility. Father Carr stated the facility would generally be
used to house people during a difficult or crisis situation and it would also be used to house volunteers
coming to the area to help administer their many programs.
Mr. Bettes questioned if the clientele would be required to leave the facility during the day. Father Carr
stated they encouraged their clientele to search for jobs, further their education, or volunteer in the
community. Father Carr stated the west side of Oshkosh offers a better job market for their clientele.
Plan Commission Minutes Page 6 September 5, 2000
Motion by Reschenberg for approval of the rezoning from C-2 General Commercial to C-2
General Commercial with a Planned Development Overlay and approval of the
Conditional Use Permit/Final Development Plan for the development, subject to the
following conditions:
1) The exterior of the limited stay facility be a combination of steel siding and brick
material.
2) The use of the storage building not be changed unless appropriate parking is
provided.
3) No outside storage is allowed, and items that are being displayed for sale must be
located on the east side of the storage building and not be visible from USH 41.
4) The owner provide the City with a 3 foot easement for the construction of a
pedestrian pathway along N. Koeller Street.
5) All signs, including temporary signs, must be placed so as to comply with the
applicable setbacks.
6) There be at least 35 feet between the new parking lot and the east lot line.
Seconded by David Borsuk. Motion carried 8-1. Nay: Bloechl.
VII: STREET NAME CHANGE FROM WARREN ROAD TO PEARL AVENUE AND FROM
PEARL AVENUE TO PEARL COURT
The City Administration requests the Plan Commission to review and approve a street name change
from Warren Road to Pearl Avenue for Warren Road from Rockwell Avenue to it terminus with Pearl
Avenue, and to change Pearl Avenue to Pearl Court from Wisconsin Street to a point about 130 feet to
the east of where it intersects with Dawes Street.
Mr. Bluemke introduced the item stating that since the Police Department had some concerns with the
street names, the proposal was actually being considered for Pearl Court to become University Court,
which would cul de sac on the east end of Dawes Street.
Mr. Kinney discussed why the proposed changes would be logical for the area, and pointed out how
many parcels would be affected by the name change.
Robert Kujava, 504 Nevada St., stated he was the owner of a parcel located at 547 W. High Avenue. He
stated he was in support of the name change, however, he suggested the street name be changed to
University Boulevard since it would become the main thoroughfare for the University, and likewise
change Pearl Avenue to University Avenue. He pointed out how the same building could have two
different addresses and the confusion that it could cause. Mr. Smith agreed it was a good idea.
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Mr. Kinney suggested the item be laid over until October 3. It was the consensus of the Plan
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Commission to lay over the item until the October 3 meeting.
Plan Commission Minutes Page 7 September 5, 2000
VIIILAND DISPOSITION/WISCONSIN CENTRAL RAIL ROAD – FROM HARRISON
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STREET SOUTH APPROXIMATELY 175 FEET
City Administration requests the Plan Commission to review and approve a land disposition of old
Wisconsin Central Railroad line from Harrison Street south about 175 feet. William Rasmussen, 1010
Alpine Court, Oshkosh, has asked the City to consider the sale of the westerly 33 feet of the old railroad
right-of-way so he can add that area to an existing parcel he owns adjacent to the right-of-way. Mr.
Rasmussen is the proposing to build mini warehousing on the overall site.
There was no discussion on this item.
Motion by Bloechl for approval of the land disposition of the Old Wisconsin Central
Railroad line from Harrison Street south about 175 feet. Seconded by Reschenberg. Motion
carried 8-0-1. (Abstain: Gehling)
IX:LAND ACQUISITION 201 CEAPE AVENUE
The City of Oshkosh Department of Community Development requests the Plan Commission review
and approve the acquisition of a parcel of land located at 201 Ceape Avenue. The property, which is
owned by Dan Dowling, is located immediately east of the City’s convention center, and is in an area
characterized primarily by Riverside Park, city parking facilities and commercial land.
Mr. Kinney introduced the item stating that this acquisition was one of the key recommendations made
by LDR, International’s proposed Downtown Action Plan, and would be incorporated as part of the
Convention Center/Riverside Park expansion area. He also noted that now is an excellent time to
acquire the property because the Hooper Building is vacant at this time, which will save the City money
on relocation costs if it were to be occupied at the time of purchase.
Mike Dempsey, 89 Cove Lane, stated he endorsed the plan. He stated he recognized the City assets in
the neighborhood and the uses in the area.
Julie Pollnow, 2857 Ruschfield Drive, Convention Sales Representative for the Convention and Visitor
Bureau, stated they greatly supported the acquisition of 201 Ceape Avenue, as the Convention Center
expansion is a must if they are to continue to bring and retain quality convention business in Oshkosh.
Stan Leedle, 2017 Menominee Drive, representing the Oshkosh Commercial Development Corporation,
stated this was a great opportunity for the City to start with LDR’s proposed Downtown Action Plan,
and stated they supported the acquisition.
Mr. Smith questioned which piece of property was more important to be purchased first, the Hooper
Building or the Walgreen Store. Mrs. Bloechl questioned how the Plan Commission could buy into
LDR’s Plan when they haven’t seen the total proposal or determined the direction in which the City
should proceed, and who would pay for it. Discussion followed regarding the function the Plan
Commission had to determine what is good land use and what will be harmonious with the
neighborhood, regardless of the cost of the project or who will pay for it.
Motion by Blassingame for approval of the acquisition of a parcel of land located at 201
Ceape Avenue. Seconded by Reschenberg. Motion carried 8-1. Nay: Bloechl
Plan Commission Minutes Page 8 September 5, 2000
OTHER BUSINESS
I.Official Mapping
Mr. Borsuk questioned when they would be looking at Clairville Road and other areas that need to be
officially mapped.
Chairman Ruppenthal questioned when the Transportation Component of the Comprehensive Plan
would be available.
Mr. Kinney discussed getting the Town of Algoma involved and getting working committee’s organized
this fall. He stated that he felt the Smart Growth presentation to the Plan Commission should be done
first. He also noted that it would take two years to revise the Comprehensive Plan and he would give the
transportation element priority in the next 60 days. Mr. Reschenberg stated the Town of Algoma Plan
Commissioner’s have been discussing Clairville Road.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
JOHN C. BLUEMKE
Principal Planner
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