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ITY OF SHKOSH ISCONSIN
REGULAR MEETING held Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 6:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, City
Hall.
Mayor Tower presided.
PRESENT: Council Members Jessica King, Tony Palmeri, Dennis McHugh, Bryan Bain, Paul
Esslinger, Burk Tower and Mayor Frank Tower
ALSO PRESENT: John Fitzpatrick, Acting City Manager, Pamela Ubrig, City Clerk, Lynn
Lorenson, Assistant City Attorney and David Patek, Director of Public Works
Council Member King read the Invocation.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Blake Hartman and Colen Kemp from Jefferson Elementary
School; and, Ashley Shea and Morgan Stinemates from Smith Elementary School.
Public Hearings
The Mayor ordered the following Public Hearings:
Resolution 08-78 Approve Final Resolution – Paving and Utilities / Various Streets
There were no appearances and the Public Hearing was CLOSED
MOTION: ADOPT (Esslinger; second, Bain)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Ordinance 08-79 Approve Zone Change / 501-531 East Parkway Avenue and 520-532 Broad
Street
There were no appearances and the Public Hearing was CLOSED
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
Ordinance 08-80 Approve Zone Change / 2088 and 2092 Witzel Avenue
There were no appearances and the Public Hearing was CLOSED
FIRST READING; LAID OVER UNDER THE RULES
Consent Agenda
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The minutes of the February 26, 2008 meeting were approved as presented.
Proceedings of the Common Council – March 11, 2008
The Report of the Acting City Manager was read.
Doug Pregie from My Tech Servi ces the consulting firm for AT&T, stated the noise would be
minimal due to traffic control and there was less traffic at night. He stated they requested 2 to 3
weeks to complete the project and with good weather it may take less time.
Council Member Bain questioned request #5 regarding a variance to the City’s noise ordinance
for AT&T. He questioned what was involved in testing. He stated in the residential area AT&T
would work from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. and w ould be in the commercial area during the overnight
hours. He explained the amendment to their request would require them to provide notices to
the property owners within whatever the City radius was to provide notices for plan
developments.
Council Member Palmeri questioned what kind of affect this has had on other areas.
Mr. Patek responded.
The bills were presented in the amount of $5,630,119.37.
The Report of the City Clerk was read.
Resolution 08-81 Approve Master Developer Agreement Terms – MK-1 LLC and MK-2 LLC
(Burns Development)
Council Member Bain questioned if in Phase 2, the Pay Go Bonds would come to Council for
approval. He also questioned if the RDA granted an extension if that too would have to come
back to the Council.
Mr. Kinney, Director of Community Development, explained if the terms were to be considered in
the future it would need to come back to Council for approval. He stated it would be doubtful for
a request for the Pay Go Bonds in Phase 2 of the project. He stated the extension would be
granted by the RDA.
Council Member McHugh suggested that developers develop with their own money, not
supported by the City. He stated that other cities have less TIF districts than Oshkosh and that
they were thriving communities. He stated the developer made the profit while the City takes all
of the risks. He stated the City needed to pull the reigns in on some developers; therefore he
would not support the resolution.
Council Member Palmeri requested an overall review of what Burns development was
proposing. He also questioned what other developments Burns’ has done in the community and
what kind of support was given from the City. He questioned why Burns’ had request ed TIF
money for the project. He explained that State Law states committees should only say yes to
TIF if the development would not take place without TIF money. He questioned what impact on
the neighborhood was expected to happen from the project. He re quested an explanation of
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infill development.
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Brian Burns, 1750 Cliffview Drive, Principal of Burns Development, stated he was excited to
present a plan in the South Shore Redevelopment Area. He stated the first phase was a 32 unit
project, with attached garages; each townhouse would have a separate entry, a high quality
development. It was an area in transition and would be good for the community. He explained
that a city that used TIF was a city that had priorities. He stated that Division Street was three
separate RFP’s and that project was 100% occupied and was not a TIF project. He explained
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the redevelopments of the bank on 9 Avenue and Oregon Street along with the former South
Side Library. He stated construction cost had risen while the cost of renting had not. He stated
he would walk away from the project if TIF money would not be used. He stated he expects the
project to be successful and a desirable place to live. He explained infill development was filling
in land that was vacant with development; opposite of greenfill development, which meant to
buy farm land and expand the city that way. He explained the projected rent would be $695 for
two bedroom; $485 to $495 for one bedroom. The rehab program would be approximately $435
per month and were all one bedroom apartments. He stated he was comfortable with the
project; on the results of Division Street and that townhouses with attached garage were more
secure than apartment complexes.
Council Member King stated that Burns Development had done a wonderful job on projects they
completed in the community. She questioned what the projected rent would be when Phase 1
was completed. She questioned the 11 units in Phase 2 that would be part of the rehabilitation
program and what the rent would be. She stated she really liked that the utilities would be
underground. She questioned about the perspective tenants in that area.
Resolution 08-82 Authorizing the Issuance of a $375,316 Taxable Tax Increment Revenue
Bond of the City of Oshkosh to MK-1 LLC or Assigns
Resolution 08-83 Grant Conditional Use Permits; Approve Planned Development
A) 230 Ohio Street
B) West South Park Avenue, between 1477 and 1495 West South Park
Avenue
Resolution 08-84 Approve Initial Resolution – Paving, Grading and Graveling, Sidewalk,
Driveway Approach, Utilities / Various Streets
Resolution 08-85 DELETED BY STAFF
Resolution 08-86 Award Bid for Pickup Truck for Street Division
(Ewald Hartford Ford, Hartford, $36,777.00)
Resolution 08-87 Approve Appointments
Resolution 08-88 Approve Miscellaneous Licenses
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MOTION: ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA EXCLUDING RESOLUTIONS 08-81 AND 08-
82 (Esslinger; second, Bain)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
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Resolution 08-81 Approve Master Developer Agreement Terms – MK-1 LLC and MK-2 LLC
(Burns Development)
MOTION: ADOPT (Esslinger; second, McHugh)
CARRIED: Ayes (5) King, Palmeri, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower;
Noes (2) McHugh, Esslinger
Council Member Esslinger questioned if the City owned the property would it make sense to
parcel the land and sell them to individuals to build homes. He questioned if a developer would
not be interested in the property without funding. He questioned if TIF districts should be used
for larger developments, ones that do not compete with other entities in the community. He
stated he was pleased to see Mr. Burn s come forwarded on the project, his history on other
projects he had done in the community were wonderful. He explained he felt assistance was
being given to one individual and not allowing assistance to another individual and there could
be a loss of tenants for this. He stated that he would not support the resolution.
Council Member King stated she ha d talked to several sec tors of the community about the
project. She stated as a Council they needed to look at policies with regard to our rental rehab
program. She stated as a future goal for Council it needed to look at rental units throughout the
City and not just in certain areas. She stated new housing stock was needed with good quality
so it would last and was useful for the next generation requiring housing. She stated she liked
that the development was dense and secure therefore she would support the development. She
explained she wanted land lords in the community to know that it was her intention to pursue
policies that may allow them access to rental rehab funds. She stated she supported the
concept of TIF money used to create more jobs.
Council Member Palmeri stated he agreed with most of Council Member King’s statements. He
explained his support of the resolution due to accomplishments on Division Street. He stated
TIF funds used should be used with developers with good credibility and those that love the
community. He stated he would like to see City staff do a better job with explaining benefits of
TIF. He explained how the City of Dallas used a sheet of credentials to decide if TIF should be
used.
Council Member Tower explained this was a leader project in the area and expressed his
support.
Council Member McHugh stated that all Council Members received a letter from a gentleman
explaining that when areas were overbuilt, slums were created.
Mr. Kinney stated that developing single family homes in the area was not what the adopted plan
suggested. He explained townhouse, apartments and multiple family developments was really
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what the area needed. He stated the area to the south of 9 Avenue was an area that could be
similar to the near east program in the future. He stated to achieve the quality and intensity of
the development, the cost of construc tion exceeded the value, which creates a short fall and
explains Pay Go Bonds would deal with that. He stated TIF #20 was a very large tax
incremental district and that TIF’s were the #1 economical development tool in the state and this
would assist with redevelop in the area.
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Resolution 08-82 Authorizing the Issuance of a $375,316 Taxable Tax Increment Revenue
Bond of the City of Oshkosh to MK-1 LLC or Assigns
MOTION: ADOPT (Esslinger; second, Bain)
CARRIED: Ayes (5) King, Palmeri, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower;
Noes (2) McHugh, Esslinger
Ordinance 08-89 Amend City of Oshkosh Comprehensive Plan
MOTION: ADOPT (Bain, second, Esslinger)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Jerry Frey, Chairman for the Town of Oshkosh, 4804 Island View Drive, urged Council to
approve the plan. He stated it was a good starting point for the City and Township to work
together.
Ken Bender, 806 Oak Street, questioned the City controlling 3 miles beyond city limits. He
stated this was dictatorship. He stated he would like to see compromises with the township and
City.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if this could start a slope where before long the agricultural
land would be gone. He questioned if the City could not have residential development in the
area. He questioned what th e amendment would do. He questioned that if th e resolution
passed what the goal of staff would be to preser ve the agricultural character. He also
questioned under what conditions would make it possible to lose the agricultural land.
Mr. Burich, Director of Planning, responded that in rural areas they would not promote new
residential uses that were not agricultural related. He explained that it would allow for limited
ability to create new residential uses on an infield basis in those areas. He stated the Plan
Commission did not think it was a negative impact on the goal that was trying to be achieved,
that is why they came up with the narrow language. He stated it stills preserves farm land. He
stated he did not feel this was a negative impact on the ability to preserve the rural preservation
in these areas. He explained that people were buying 5 acres of land and not retaining the farm
that was why they had been rejected. He explained that the intent was to maintain those areas.
Council Member King questioned where houses could be built.
Ordinance 08-90 Amend Chapter 30 Zoning Ordinance / Of f-Street Parking and Loading
Facilities
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MOTION: AMEND SECTION 30 -36 (A)(4)(A) TOW TRU CKS, WRECKERS OR
CARRIERS EXCEPT THAT ONE LIGHT DUTY TOW TRUCK (NOT A
ROLL BACK, FLATBED, OR CARRIER TYPE) WITH A GROSS VEHICLE
WEIGHT RATING NOT EXCEEDING 12,000 POUNDS MAY BE PARKED
ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT WHEN ON CALL OPERAT ING UNDER THE
ROTATING CALL LIST E STABLISHED AND KEPT BY THE OSHKOSH
POLICE DEPARTMENT (Mayor Tower, second, Bain)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
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MOTION: AMEND EXISTING PARKING LOTS WITH 50 STALLS OR LESS NOT BE
REQUIRED TO HAVE STORM SEWER S ON RECONSTRUCTION
(Esslinger, second, Palmeri)
LOST: Ayes (3) Palmer, McHugh, Esslinger;
Noes (4) King, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower
MOTION: REMOVE SECTION E AND REFER TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL
COMMITTEE (Palmeri, second, McHugh)
WITHDRAWN
MOTION: REFER SECTION 30-36 TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD
(Palmeri, second McHugh)
LOST: Ayes (2) Palmeri, Esslinger;
Noes (5) King, McHugh, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower
MOTION: AMEND SECTION 30 -36 (E)(8)(g) EIGHT FEET TO SIX FEET (King,
second, Mayor Tower)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
VOTE ON ORDINANCE AS AMENDED:
CARRIED: Ayes (5) King, McHugh, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower;
Noes (2) Palmeri, Esslinger
Ken Bender, 806 Oak Street, stated that trees were problems when plowing and could cause icy
spots. He stated the City need ed to make it more compatible for businesses and he urged
Council not to support the amendment.
Bill Aubrey, AEC architects, 2014 Shawnee Lane, questioned clarification on reconstruction of
parking lots. He stated that with the reconstruction of the parking lot at Player’s owned by Carl
Sosnoski, the City had requested that storm water be collected on site and piped to the storm
water in the street. He stated in the reconstruction it did not allow water to go over the sidewalk
as it did in the past which made a significant cost to the business owner. He stated the City
requires minimum of six foot high trees but have a minimum of an eight foot vision clearance on
trees and th ose d id not go together. He stated there needed to be flexibility related to
ordinances regarding existing lots. He explained the owner had repaved the parking lot and
then found out the City wanted storm sewer. Rather than removing $25,000 of pavement, put in
the multiple connections. He stated that these requirements could lead business owners to leave
parking lots in disrepair rather than spend for improvements. He stated he agreed that the storm
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sewer was a better system but needed to be some degree of flexibility. He stated each property
was unique and staff needed to be flexible. He stated he was the architect also for Lang Oil on
Bowen Street and would like to see flexibility with the requirements for walkways and pedestrian
access.
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Carl Sosnoski, 2475 Knapp Street R oad, stated he fe lt the dialogue between the City and
citizens was better than it had been in the past. He stated that the off-street parking ordinance
was created in 1986 and was not enforced in all areas of t he city. He stated that the
requirement for parking lot s that c ould hold five cars must have storm sewer was ludicrous,
when there are driveways that c ould hold five cars. He shared various pictures showing icy
walkways in parking lots that had storm sewers and those that do not. He understood that the
City would like to make parking lots look better and he supported grass and bushes around the
entrances. He stated it could be helpful with collecting the gas and oil that runs off of parking
lot. He stated it is ridiculous to require all business owners to put in storm sewer due to limited
land to work with and that parking was needed. He stated his contention was existing
businesses in the community being required to spend thousands of dollars on this issue. He felt
money could be spent on green space to catch the run off, it would be better looking, collect
more contaminants and save money. He explained if an owner of an existing parking
refurbished it, the City calls it a new parking lot and he did not agree with that. He stated that he
felt existing parking lots should have less restrictions regarding storm sewers.
Council Member McHugh questioned the grandfather clause that 50 stalls or less would not
need to have curbing. He stated storm sewers which served parking lots should be designed to
accommodate a 10 year storm. He questioned what size pipe was appropriate for a ten year
storm. He questioned how to address the issue of pollutants go ing directly into Lake
Winnebago. He questioned if pollutants go in either way, was it ridiculous to make business
owners put in storm sewer s on small parking lots. He explained he d id not question design
expertise in the Department of Public Works. He stated there should be a grandfather clause
with existing businesses.
Mr. Burich explained that anything storm sewer related in a parking lot was required to have a
plan submitted by the developer subject to approval by Department of Public Works. He
suggested an amendment to add language regarding the tow trucks-light duty. He explained
that as trees matured and became fuller the intent was to keep a vision clearance. He stated he
would not be opposed to taking out the eight foot clearance do to they could always come back
with a vision problem to resolve the master. He stated that pedestrian walks had some flexibility
in it and he was willing to look at it. He explained that if there was a disagreement regarding an
ordinance or something that a staff had done that the Board of Appeals is the outlet. He stated
there was no time sensitive material or the ordinance was not passed, staff would continue to
operate under the current ordinance. He explained that as new development occurred it would
be under the existing ordinance with no landscaping requirements or current concessions.
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Ms. Lorenson explained that in reference to parking areas, they were to be designed in a
manner not having a negative surface water drainage impact on adjacent properties and to
provide a functional relief in the area.
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Mr. Patek explained that it was required more for people that ha d 25 stalls that could impact
neighbors and people using the public right-a-way. He responded to the pictures that had been
shown, he explained the winter had a record snow fall and over all it was an unusual winter. In
normal situations the sewer would not be plugged with ice and the water would not be an issue.
He stated that each situation needed to be looked at. He stated that to compare a Lowes and a
small business parking lot was misleading. He stated that Council would deal with staff and the
assumption was Council trust ed staff to make decisions. He explained the storm water
committee worked with consultants on pollution control plans required by the DNR. He advised
Council that the committee could review situations and then be brought back to Council.
Council Member Bain questioned if tow trucks would be allowed to park on streets in front of
their home or in their driveway. He stated that if the Environmental Committee was going to look
at amendments, then they should review the entire section.
Council Member King questioned if it was feasible to incorporate the architect thoughts about
the tree heights. She stated the importance of safety and engineering expertise on the issue.
She explained there were checks and balances for small businesses. She explained the work of
the Environmental C ommittee; that they look toward s adopting and analyses approach to
address and quantify the City’s environmental base line. She stated that the Environmental
Committee did not have the tools needed to review the chapte r in a month timeframe. She
stated the amendment should be voted up or down.
Council Member Esslinger stated he would like to be business friendly to businesses especially
small businesses that were the back bone of the community.
Council Member Palmeri questioned the issue was more about one size fits all. He questioned
if the resolution was limited to the first sentence and not the second sentence that specifies
storm sewers, would that provide the flexibility. He questioned how the disagreement with Mr.
Sosnoski and the City would be worked out. He questioned if the Council would get involved if
there are areas where disagreement occurs between Public Works, Community Development
and a business owner. He stated when Council was to vote on policies there was an
assumption that they were to understand. He expressed that some serious environmental
issues had been raised concerning the the drainage of the storm sewer into Lake Winnebago.
He explained this was one of the reasons the Environmental Committee was created.
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Council Member Tower stated there was a Board of Appeals that citizens could appear before to
handle issues. He stated he was going to vote against the amendment.
Mayor Tower stated he would vote against the amendment due to reasons that ha d been
brought forth by other Council Members. He stated he would like to get the new ordinance in
place due to it provided some flexibility.
Mr. Fitzpatrick stated he agreed that the Environmental Committee had great potential but would
be unfair to give them this task at this time.
The Council took a break at 8:20 p.m. and resumed at 8:30 p.m.
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Ordinance 08-91 Approve Zone Change / Northeast Corner Stearns Drive and County Trunk
Highway T
MOTION: ADOPT (Esslinger, second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Ordinance 08-92 Amend Special Privilege Permit for All Night Parking
(Correcting Street Boundaries)
MOTION: ADOPT (Esslinger, second, Palmeri)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Ordinance 08-93 Approve Lake View Park Annexation
MOTION: ADOPT (Esslinger, second Bain)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmer, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Resolution 08-94 Grant Conditional Use Permit; Approve Planned Development /
1701 Fountain Avenue
MOTION: ADOPT (Bain, second Esslinger)
LOST: Ayes (1) McHugh;
Noes (6) King, Palmeri, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Loren Rangeloff, 1701 Fountain Avenue, explained five out of the six conditions were made to
the property. He explained that the front half of the building would be tore off and about 70 to
200 feet would be added. He requested a year extension to get the new site plans submitted
now that the DOT has informed him of the plans. He stated he had been in business for 27
years and hoped to continue. He explained he was a licensed dealer and everything was kept in
order not scattered. He expl ained they would continue services of truck repair, towing and
sales. He stated the sale of cars started last summer with 10-12 cars sold. He stated he had
sold cars for 20 years and never had a problem with DOT and had never been told he was in
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violation of the law. He stated that the appraisal was completed with the understanding of the
conditional use for selling used cars and towing.
Dave Kent, 4224 Oakridge Count, Stevens Point, Area Manager for Edison Development Crew,
stated he was present on behalf of the homeowners and property owner. He explained that the
company tried to keep the investment presentable and the area being discussed was an eye
sore and a potential danger. He asked the Council not to renew the request for the benefit of
the ho meowners. He stated the property he was representing was across the road with
approximately 90-100 sites and 300 residents.
Dan Dowling, 5580 Highway 116, encouraged the Council to have this individual be held to the
same standards as other businesses in the area.
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Attorney Russ Reff, 217 Ceape Avenue, representing Omni Paint and Glass, stated his clients
were opposed to the extension of the Conditional Use Permit and would request the Council to
deny the extension. He explained that a CUP was a privilege and what they were granted for.
He explained that what was going on there was not compatible with neighboring properties.
Attorney David Winkler, 36 Jewelers Park, Neenah, representing Mr. Rangeloff, explained the
history of the property, the truck stop had been there for a long time. He explained th at
businesses had built after his client needed to be good neighbors and should not require his
client to meet their expected standards. He explai ned what the DOT w ould be doing to the
property in the future and his client was requesting a one year extension. He explained that
communications came out recently after the DOT made their final plans. He stated that DOT
told his client that they had communicated with the City. He stated his client spoke with the City
in August about the conditions not being made. He stated when he received the authority from
DOT to go ahead with an engineer to develop a site plan and contact the planning department.
He stated the sale of cars would stop if the extension was not granted. He explained the DOT
had agreed to pay for some construction that would need to be done on the land.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the vehicles stored on the site were in violation of the
CUP condition, which prohibits outside storage of vehicles. He questioned what would be done
if the extension was not granted. He questioned what would happen if the CUP was granted and
what the purpose of the development would be.
Council Member King questioned the revenue of sales for the last two years. She questioned if
communication took place with the City regarding the conditions. She questioned if the CUP
was denied would the DOT lower the valuation assessment or lower the condemnation value.
She explained why she would not support the extension and expressed her concerns with
communication.
Council Member Tower questioned what would happen if the extension was not granted. He
questioned the revenue amount from the sale of vehicles.
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Council Member McHugh questioned why this issue was brought before the Council, he felt it
was evident that everything required was done except for the area that would be taken over by
the DOT.
Council Member Palmeri questioned if the conditions had been completed. He questioned how
the outstanding codes affect the City and if the individual was doing was consistent with the
industrial zoning.
Mr. Burich stated Mr. Rangeloff had complied somewhat, but there were other municipal codes
that were outstanding. He explained that inoperable vehicles were not allowed to on the
property but to be placed in the screened storage. He explained there are open storage
violations that were not consistent with industrial zoning a nd violation of municipal code. He
explained that the condition of the site had gotten progressively worse over the last two or three
years. He explained the City recommends denial based on the last two years of experience and
the progressive decline and the negative impact it had on properties in the area. He stated
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that was why there was a two year term, so the City could see what the property looked like at
beginning and how it look ed currently. He stated if denied t he City could go after all of the
unlicensed vehicles and any inoperable vehicles stored on site.
Council Member Bain questioned if the CUP was denied what would happen to the property. He
questioned how long the new highway 41 corridor discussions had been taking place.
Council Member Esslinger questioned if it would be better to grant the extension to rectify the
problem in the area.
Mayor Tower explained this resolution was presented to Council with a recommendation from
the Plan Commission to deny.
Citizen Statements
Ken Bender, 806 Oak Street, stated the quarry would be a good spot for a retention pond and
could used for swimming.
Steve Barney, 1260 Elmwood Avenue, stated the Advisory Bike Committee no longer existed
and would like to see that committee in action again. He explained that he would like to see
greenhouse gas mitigation added to the recruitment profile of the City Manager and advertising
for the City Manager to be placed on the green jobs website.
Council Member Statements
Council Member King stated she worked with various entities of the C ity and the Community
Foundation to put together an educational brochure that would reach citizens quarterly to
educate them about the opportunities they had to make a difference. She stated the brochure
would come out with water bills. She explained she was trying to get educational workshops
organized to inform citizens of the community.
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Council Member Esslinger wished the Oshkosh West girls basketball team good luck at state
and thanked Oshkosh North and West for hours of excellent entertainment over the year.
Mayor Tower explained he would like to move forward with the profile of the City Manager. He
stated he would like to see the $130,000 in the advertisement allowing the candidates to see
what the City would pay for the position.
MOTION: ADOPT ADVERTISEMENT FOR CITY MANAGER (Bain; second,
King)
MOTION: REPLACE $130,000 TO SALARY COMPETITIVE (Palmeri; second,
Esslinger)
LOST: Ayes (3) Palmeri, McHugh, Esslinger;
Noes (4) King, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower
MOTION: SALARY OF $130,000 IN ADVERTISEMENT (Bain, second, King)
CARRIED: Ayes (4) King, Bain, Tower, Mayor Tower;
Noes (3) Palmeri, McHugh, Esslinger
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MOTION: ADD – DETAILED RECRUITMENT PROFILE AVAILABLE ON THE
CITY’S WEBSITE AT www.ci.oshkosh.wi.us (Bain; second, Mayor
Tower)
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
VOTE ON AMENDED ADVERTISEMENT OF CITY MANAGER
CARRIED: Ayes (7) King, Palmeri, McHugh, Bain, Esslinger, Tower, Mayor Tower
Council Member McHugh stated he received comments concerning the salary amount of
$130,000 was ridiculously high. He stated he felt the salary should depend on the candidate
and it was premature to guess what that might be.
Council Member Palmeri questioned the actual amount given; why not put salary competitive.
He questioned if the Council believed there should be more specifics in the ad.
Sue Brinkman, Personnel Generalist, explained it is common in public sector to put the wage in
advertisements and that it was a range of plus or minus 10%. She stated the City did not want
to get into the position of salary compression with other employees. She stated that typically the
cost for advertising was a range, depending on how many words for a dollar amount.
Council Member Bain stated he agreed at first glance the salary seemed high, but after looking
at the responsibilities and commensurate to a CEO of a private sector it was probably low.
Council Member King stated publishing the salary allowed for candidates to know what they
would be getting if chosen. She stated she supported the $130,000 with the plus and minis.
Council Member Esslinger stated he would like to see individuals apply for a job not the salary.
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Council Member Tower stated he was fine with the salary listed and keeps it open to the public.
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Mayor Tower reminded Council of the future workshops - March 25 for the Urban Deer; May 1
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Leach Workshop, May 8 would be IWF and the near east neighborhood for the May 22.
Whatever Else is Pertinent or for the Good of the City
Mr. Fitzpatrick announced the library had been recognized by the Wisconsin State Reading
Association for its significant contributions to literacy in the Oshkosh community. He stated
there would be an informational meeting held on March 19th and 26th for the storm water
management project, held at Westhaven Golf Course at 6:30 p.m.
MOTION: ADJOURN (Esslinger; second, Bain)
CARRIED: VOICE VOTE
The meeting adjourned at 10:13 p.m.
PAMELA R. UBRIG
CITY CLERK
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