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Plan Commission Minutes 1 October 15, 2024
PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
October 15, 2024
PRESENT: Karl Loewenstein, Ed Bowen, Kathleen Propp, Council Member Nichols, Joshua
Belville, Margy Davey, John Kiefer, Thomas Perry
EXCUSED: Meredith Scheuermann
STAFF: Kelly Nieforth, Community Development Director; James Rabe, Director of Public
Works; Justin Gierach, Engineering Division Manager; Steve Gohde, Assistant
Director of Public Works/Utilities General Manager; Jason Ellis, Utility Operations
Manager; Anna Cannizzo, Museum Director; Brian Slusarek, Principal Planner;
Emma Dziengeleski, Assistant Planner; Brandon Nielsen, Associate Planner; Katrina
Malson, Office Assistant
Chairperson Perry called the meeting to order at 4:00 pm. Roll call was taken and a quorum
declared present.
The minutes of September 17, 2024 were approved as presented. (Davey/Propp)
Mr. Perry stated Item I, PUBLIC HEARING: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A GROUP
DEVELOPMENT AT PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE 1000 BLOCK OF
SOUTH OAKWOOD ROAD (PARCEL 1311971300), has been withdrawn by the applicant.
II. RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR
MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE AT 1922 MITCHELL STREET
Site Inspections Report: Ms. Propp and Mr. Nichols reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
The applicant is requesting approval of a variance from the City’s Residential Design Standards to
allow for modification to the front façade at 1922 Mitchell Street.
Ms. Dziengeleski presented the items and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the
land use and zoning classifications in this area. The subject property is a residential lot located at
1922 Mitchell Street, and is approximately 13,700 square feet in area. According to the City
Assessor’s website, the subject property contains a 966 square foot one-story single-family
structure that was built in 1920. The surrounding area consists of single-family uses with varying
character and similar scale. The subject property is zoned Single Family Residential-9 (SR-9).
In April of 2024, the applicant submitted design plans for a kitchen, bathroom, and laundry
remodel at the subject site. Within the application, the applicant requested the ability to remove the
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sliding patio door on the front façade and replace it with two smaller windows. At that time, the
applicant was made aware that the submitted design plans did not meet the City’s Residential
Design Standards and therefore could not be approved. Staff worked with the applicant to find
alternatives that met City’s requirements, and even met the applicant on site to talk through the
request. The applicant proceeded to move forward with the permit for the other remodel work,
and informed staff that the sliding patio door replacement would be addressed at a future time,
once they could figure out how they could meet the City’s Residential Design Standards.
On August 12, 2024 staff conducted a follow-up inspection and was made aware that work had
already been completed. In addition to the remodel work, another door on the front façade was
removed, as well as removal and replacement of inconsistent colored siding on a portion of the
home. The applicant stated that they removed an old, inoperable sliding patio door and replaced it
with two new energy efficiency windows. The applicant feels these modifications improve the look
of the home and could potentially increase the integrity and value of their home. In addition,
another door was removed from the front façade as well as a portion of the house being resided.
The new windows, the door closure, and residing were done without any zoning, inspections, or
Plan Commission (PC) review or approval. On August 12, 2024, the owner was sent a violation
notice and was made aware that a Design Standards Variance (DSV) was needed in order for the
work to not be in violation. Staff informed the owner that they could not issue a permit by-right
due to the sliding patio door and front door closures and color(s) of the siding being inconsistent,
and that PC needed to review that. The applicant proceeded to try to obtain a permit for the work
prior to PC review and a DSV. Staff informed the applicant that that permit would be on hold until
PC reviews and either approves or denies the DSV.
Staff has had in person, email, and phone discussions with the applicant. The applicant provided
the prior door and window areas as well as the current door and window areas for the front facade
in question and this helped staff during the review process. According to the applicant, the
modifications were needed as the integrity and wellbeing of the house is in structural jeopardy.
The applicant feels that this design is the best and most suitable option in regards to the homes
stability, efficiency, and improvement of “curb appeal”. The applicant also stated that the Design
Standard codes restrict doing a project that would allow a reasonable way to better the efficiency
and curb appeal of the home. While staff understand the applicant feels that the 10 percent
variation wouldn’t be achievable considering the wall the sliding patio door is on, and the other
door on the front façade is not needed due to a door being located on the side façade, a self-
imposed hardship is not a sufficient reason for granting a variance.
Staff evaluated the completed work previously described and the impact on the design of the
home in regard to the purpose and intent of Residential Design Standards. The standards relate to
preserving the homes architectural integrity and the potential impact on adjacent properties, the
neighborhood character and “curb appeal” of the block. In working with the applicant, staff
considered whether the proposed work met the intent of the Residential Design Standards; the
work was done without the proper building permits; information provided by the applicant
during the process. In conversations with the applicant staff explained that, per the City’s
Residential Design Standards, the proposed plans could not be approved because there is sufficient
space available to meet the 10% variation change, and other modifications had been completed
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prior to the applicant obtaining the proper approvals and permits. In staff’s opinion, the
application does not provide enough justification for the Plan Commission to grant the variance.
Approval of the DSV request would make it clear that it is acceptable to complete work without
proper approvals and/or permits. As proposed, the front façade modifications do not meet the
criteria for granting a variance and would set an unnecessary precedent for future requests.
Staff recommends denial of a variance from the City’s Residential Design Standards to allow the
removal of the patio sliding door and replacing it with two smaller windows, removal of another
front door, and removing and replacing the siding on a portion of the home on the front façade
that is different than the rest of the siding with the following findings listed in the staff report.
Mr. Perry opened up technical questions to staff.
Mr. Nichols wondered what happens if Plan Commission (PC)denies the variance.
Mr. Slusarek stated the applicant would have to reestablish the openings on the house, as they
were previously. The siding would also need to match the rest of the siding on the home.
Mr. Nichols wondered if the applicant has the option of requesting a different variance.
Mr. Slusarek stated they could amend their plan and come back with a different variance.
Mr. Nichols wondered what happens if PC grants the variance.
Mr. Slusarek stated if the variance is granted, they'd be allowed to keep everything as-is. The
variance does not go on to Common Council.
Mr. Nichols wondered what was the alternative that staff recommended that would fall within our
requirements as a city.
Ms. Dziengeleski stated we were looking at other potentials like putting in larger windows to meet
the 10% variation reduction requirement. If they would have obtained a 25% window and door
opening on the front but still with the reduction of that front door and also the sliding door, it still
did not meet 25%.
Mr. Nichols wondered if they could have requested that variance and then met our standards
otherwise.
Mr. Slusarek stated they would still need a variance to close the doors off. We would support it if
they're meeting that 25% area.
Mr. Loewenstein wondered what the code is for residential front facades when it comes to the
entrance of a home.
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Mr. Slusarek stated code requires an entrance feature like a stoop or a porch on the street-facing
side, and if you do remove a door, you're allowed to replace it on that same facade.
Mr. Loewenstein wondered if the door on the side is not code compliant.
Mr. Slusarek stated it's not needed to meet code, but closing it off would not be permitted.
Ms. Davey wondered if the revisions to the home now affect fire code safety.
Mr. Slusarek stated that'd be a Building Inspections question.
Mr. Perry opened public comment and asked if the applicant wanted to make any statements.
Christopher Amos, owner of 1922 Mitchell Street, stated this particular side of the house had four
doors on it previously. You've got the main entrance around the side. There's a kitchen entrance,
just on the other side between the house and the door. The prior sliding glass door was inoperable
and very inefficient. The floor would freeze and ice would build up around the whole frame. I had
issues with pipes freezing, so we thought it'd be best to close off the biggest window in front, the
sliding glass door, and put in small windows to help protect the integrity of the kitchen and the
pipes. We tried multiple times with the city and we just couldn't come to an agreement. We had to
get the project done before this winter, so we just kept on going with the project we had. The house
is 100 years old, so with that being given, I don't know if these rules were there 100 years ago, but
that's all we got.
Ms. Davey wondered if the home currently has two exits.
Mr. Amos stated yes.
Ms. Davey wondered if Mr. Amos lives in the home.
Mr. Amos stated yes. I have two houses. I just got married, so my other address is in Elkhart Lake
with my wife. I work here in Oshkosh, so I stay in this house all summer. Eventually we'd like to
have this property as a rental when I stop working here in Oshkosh.
Mr. Nichols wondered why the siding color difference exists.
Mr. Amos stated we tried to find a light blue, but this was the closest blue we could find at the
hardware store. Eventually we'll get the whole house done. This is just a start.
Mr. Perry asked if any members of the public wished to speak.
Mr. Perry closed public comment.
There was no closing statement from the applicant.
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Motion by Propp to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Davey.
Mr. Perry asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
Ms. Propp stated my issue is that the applicant was told over and over again, by City staff, what
the regulations were and went ahead. I think that's unacceptable. I'm sorry if the variance is denied
because it will create problems for him, but he brought that on himself.
Mr. Nichols stated I think the most compelling reason for denial is that we heard from City staff
that there would be support for a variance for some of the options here. It wasn't this variance that
would happen without approval of staff or consult with staff. I know the rules can be hard to
follow. I know it can be frustrating to renovate a house. I've done it, and it's frustrating to work
with the city sometimes and some of the requirements there. However, if there are options and you
can get there, I believe staff, when they say they would have worked with it, they would have
brought the variance before us and we would have granted it. I think that's the compelling reason
for denial.
Ms. Davey stated I appreciate they're trying to improve the energy efficiency. But I agree that this
wasn't the way to do it. It should be done legally, especially when you've been informed that it's
not going to be. If we allow one, then what else are we going to allow. I will be voting yes to the
denial.
Mr. Perry wanted to advise PC regarding the motion. If you vote in the affirmative, it's a denial
because the recommendation is to deny the variance.
Motion carried 8-0. The variance is denied.
III. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONE CHANGE FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT
(HI) TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY (HI-PD) AND APPROVAL OF A GENERAL
DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR
DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE AT 2875 ATLAS AVENUE
Site Inspections Report: Mr. Bowen reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
The applicant requests a zone change from the existing Heavy Industrial District (HI) to Heavy
Industrial District with a Planned Development Overlay (HI-PD). The applicant also requests
approval of a General Development Plan (GDP) and Specific Implementation Plan (SIP) for
directional signage.
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Mr. Slusarek presented the items and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the land
use and zoning classifications in this area. The subject site is located on the north side of State
Highway 91, with frontage along Atlas Avenue. The site is a manufacturing facility owned by
4imprint.
The applicant is requesting a zone change from the existing Heavy Industrial District (HI) to
Heavy Industrial District with a Planned Development Overlay (HI-PD). This is intended to allow
for flexibility of the zoning ordinance to accommodate new directional signs. Staff is supportive of
the proposed zone change as it will allow for additional signage options for the site.
The applicant is proposing four (4) directional signs. One will be placed at each of the three
entrances to the site off of Atlas Avenue along with one along the middle driveway closer to the
parking area. The proposed directional signs are 21 sq. ft. and 5 ½ ft. tall, which require Base
Standard Modifications (BSM) for increased directional sign area and height. According to the
applicant, the increased area and height are needed to increase visibility of the signs for
wayfinding on the site for truck drivers and visitors. The maximum size is 3’ tall and 8 sq. ft. They
are proposing 21 sq. ft. and 5 ½ ft. tall. The applicant feels that the larger sign size will assist in
directing truck drivers to the appropriate entrances/docks safely. They also feel that it will assist in
safe and efficient circulation on the site for 4imprint associates, users of the on-site employee
ThedaCare clinic, as well as suppliers and visitors.
Staff is supportive of the BSM requests for increased sign area and height due to the relatively
large scale of the site with several loading docks and parking areas for visitors, clinic users, and
associates. To offset the BSM requests, staff is recommending the applicant provide 25 landscaping
points around each of the signs. Also recommending a condition that ground signage on the site be
limited to one sign per frontage, and not to exceed 72 sq. ft. in area. This would be consistent with
the maximum sign area for the industrial park covenants and would allow substantially less
ground sign area than allowed by the zoning ordinance for the HI district. That will also offset the
BSM by less signage there than allowed by the zoning ordinance.
Staff recommends approval of the zone change, GDP, and SIP with the findings and conditions
listed in the staff report.
Mr. Perry opened up technical questions to staff.
Mr. Perry opened the public hearing and asked if the applicant wanted to make any statements.
John Lord, on behalf of 4imprint at 2875 Atlas Avenue, made himself available for questions.
Mr. Perry asked if any members of the public wished to speak.
Mr. Perry closed the public hearing.
There was no closing statement from the applicant.
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Motion by Kiefer to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Davey
Mr. Perry asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
Motion carried 8-0.
Items IV and V were presented together with discussion after.
IV. GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT FOR AN
INDUSTRIAL/STORAGE USE AT 1911 WEST SNELL ROAD
Site Inspections Report: Mr. Kiefer reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
The applicant requests approval of a General Development Plan (GDP) Amendment for an
industrial/storage use.
Mr. Slusarek presented the items and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the land
use and zoning classifications in this area. The subject site is located at the southwest corner of
Interstate 41 and West Snell Road. It contains an auto service garage (formerly Loren’s Truck
Plaza). In 2019 Council approved a Planned Development (PD) Amendment for vehicle sales for
the previous owner. However, the approved use was never established.
The site was previously used as an auto service garage. The site also had an open violation for
storage of unregistered, unlicensed/inoperable vehicles since 2017. The previously approved PD
Amendment for vehicle sales at the site was intended to bring the site into compliance. The
approved use was never established and conditions of the PD were never met. The property has
since been sold by Loren’s 41 Truck Plaza LLC to the current owner (Maverick Family Enterprises,
LLC). The current owner has removed the illegally stored items from the site.
The applicant is proposing to use the site for a steel construction company facility (Beson & Houle,
LLC). The site will be used as office space for their staff, shop storage of tools and equipment, and
an outdoor storage yard. The applicant is also proposing future contractor storage buildings and a
future storage/business rental building located on the southern portion of the parcel.
The proposed industrial and indoor storage uses are permitted in the UI district, while outdoor
storage is a conditional use. The plan also shows 8 “product stalls”, which is considered outdoor
display and is also a conditional use in the UI district.
The proposed site will utilize existing access off of West Snell Road. The applicant is requesting a
Base Standard Modification (BSM) to allow the existing gravel/asphalt to remain as is with
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potholes and uneven areas to be repaired. Staff is supportive of a BSM to allow existing gravel
areas to remain as the site will be utilized for industrial purposes and the site has been greatly
improved from its previous state.
The applicant is proposing to retain the existing footprint of the site and parking areas. This
requires a BSM for increased impervious surface ratio to 85.32% of the lot, where code allows a
maximum of 80% impervious surface. BSMs are also required for reduced front and street side
setbacks to 0’ and side setback to 5’. Staff is supportive of the requested BSMs for increased
impervious surface ratio and decreased setbacks as the existing impervious surface areas are not
being expanded. The applicant will also provide 30 Techny arborvitae hedges along the west
property line to offset the reduced setbacks.
The applicant is not providing new paved area landscaping. Staff is supportive of a BSM to waive
the paved area landscaping requirement as all paved areas already exist and no internal landscape
areas are available for plantings.
For street frontage landscaping, the plan shows new and existing tall trees being provided along
Interstate-41. That meets the street frontage landscaping requirement. They are not providing any
new landscaping along Snell Road, but the points along Interstate 41 meet the overall point
requirement for both street frontages. They need a BSM for allowing the Snell Road frontage
without landscaping.
For yard landscaping, the provided landscaping points exceed the overall point requirement based
on the proposed outdoor storage area and anticipated future building areas. Yard landscaping
requirements will be reviewed upon SIP submittal of plans for future phase(s).
The applicant is requesting BSMs for parking surfacing, increased impervious surface ratio,
reduced setbacks, and reduction of landscaping requirements. Staff is supportive of these BSMs as
the current footprint of the site is being maintained and the applicant has significantly improved
the appearance of the site by removing all stored items/debris accumulated by the previous owner.
The applicant is also providing new landscaping to further improve the site.
Staff recommends approval of the GDP Amendment with the findings and conditions listed in the
staff report.
V. SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AMENDMENT FOR AN
INDUSTRIAL/STORAGE USE AT 1911 WEST SNELL ROAD
Site Inspections Report: Mr. Kiefer reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
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The applicant requests approval of a Specific Implementation Plan (SIP) Amendment for an
industrial/storage use.
Mr. Slusarek presented the items and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the land
use and zoning classifications in this area. The applicant is proposing to use the site for a steel
construction company facility (Beson & Houle, LLC). They will use it for office space, shop storage,
and outdoor storage yard for small trucks and trailers. The applicant notes that part of the existing
building may also be rented out to other businesses in the future.
The applicant plans to install 8’ tall solid fencing to fully enclose the storage area. That will connect
to existing 8’ tall metal panel fencing to fully enclose that area. It will be a graveled storage area.
The applicant plans to stripe 30 parking stalls and 7 product stalls to be used by a future tenant.
The proposed 8’ tall solid fencing and existing metal fencing extends into the front yard area. Code
allows only 4’ tall fencing and 50% opaque in the front yard areas so they need a Base Standard
Modification (BSM) to allow the 8’ tall solid fencing within the front yard. Staff is supportive of
this BSM as it is needed to fully enclose that storage area.
The paved areas and street frontage landscaping were addressed as part of the General
Development Plan (GDP). The proposed yard landscaping exceeds the point requirement for this
phase as well as all future phases. They are exceeding the point requirement for yard landscaping
for all phases and that serves to offset the requested Base Standard Modifications (BSM).
The applicant is adding additional lighting along the east portion of the site for the new parking
areas. They are requesting a BSM to allow increased lighting along the property line to 1.7 fc,
where code allows a maximum of 1.0 fc at the right-of-way. That is needed as their parking is close
to the property line and it should not cause any impacts on the surrounding area as it is abutting
the Interstate-41 right-of-way. They are also requesting a BSM to allow access to this area to have 0
fc lighting. Staff is supportive of that as the site has historically functioned without that lighting
and based on the use of the site it should not generate much traffic.
Staff recommends approval of the SIP Amendment with the findings and conditions listed in the
staff report.
Items IV and V:
Mr. Perry opened up technical questions to staff.
Mr. Bowen wanted to discuss what the GDP and SIP encompass.
Mr. Slusarek spoke to that.
Mr. Perry opened public comment and asked if the applicant wanted to make any statements.
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Jesse Houle, of W10716 Konow Road in Rosendale, owner of Maverick Family Enterprises LLC
and Beson and Houle LLC, made himself available for questions. As Brian mentioned, we have a
small construction company that we do structural steel erection. That's a large part of what's going
to be in the building along with some future tenant space that we can utilize the corridor of 41 for
visibility.
Mr. Kiefer wondered if there were/are any environmental issues on the site.
Mr. Houle stated no, nothing we are aware of.
Mr. Perry asked if any members of the public wished to speak.
Ed Crum, a group owner of Omni Glass and Paint (3530 Omni Drive in Oshkosh), had several
questions. Some of his questions had to be answered by the applicant during their closing
statement. He wondered if we are dealing with a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) with this property
as well.
Mr. Slusarek stated the Planned Development (PD) addresses the CUP as well, so it would be one
approval for the PD that also addresses the CUP in one approval.
Mr. Crum stated regarding the outdoor storage, so if I look at those blocks that are there to the
south and to the west. Those are not exposed; I would assume it is like a post frame metal building.
Is it going to be cold storage, or will there be water, sewer, and electric.
Mr. Houle stated electric.
Mr. Crum stated regarding the 8-foot corrugated steel fence that basically runs to the north, is 4’
the max, and they are looking at a variance on that for the 8-foot.
Mr. Slusarek stated correct, they're proposing to match the existing 8 foot out there to fully enclose
it.
Mr. Crum stated the existing fence is pretty run down.
Mr. Slusarek stated we have codes that state they need to maintain fencing. If it gets in disrepair,
they'd have to fix it.
Mr. Crum stated regarding the existing structure of the buildings themselves, It appears they are
clad with vinyl siding. It looks like an addition on an addition was done over time. It appears there
are no plans to improve the actual physical structure facade itself. No masonry requirements,
newer metal siding, windows, or glass.
Mr. Slusarek stated with it being an existing building, if it is not meeting the current material
requirement, it'd be a legal nonconforming building. We would not require them to retrofit it to
meet current codes.
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Mr. Crum wanted to know what type of metal erection would take place. Are girders and I-beams
going to be fabricated, or is the applicant taking metal and converting the metal. Will they be
buying materials, cutting, gouging, plasma cutting, and welding. And will there be used materials,
like demo materials coming from other sites. What are the provisions to manage all of that
dunnage that comes in there and order of the property.
Mr. Perry asked if any other members of the public wished to speak.
Lorenz Rangeloff (former owner of the subject site), of 3000 Oregon Street, stated he is here to speak
on the outside. The fence is not 8-foot, it's 6-foot panels. And the current code is 8-foot. I hope he
just has to abide by the current code of 8-foot fence. And all impervious surfaces are supposed to
be paved with a curb and landscaping islands in the middle. Now, I was told if I changed the use
of any kind, I would have had to do that. So I hope you extend the same to him, that everything's
paved and curbed and landscaped. And the fence should be upgraded to the current code. I know
somebody in that area, at the time it was 6-foot fence, took out a permit, put up a 6-foot fence.
Meanwhile, the code was changed to 8-foot and he had to take down a 6-foot fence and replace it
with an 8-foot. I hope outside the parking area and the fenced-in area meets the current code.
Mr. Perry closed public comment.
Mr. Perry asked the applicant to make a closing statement.
Mr. Houle stated, in response to Mr. Crum's questions, the future plans are for contractor storage
units, something along those lines. The utilities that are planned at this point would be electrical
only. Not to say we wouldn't entertain water and sewer there in the future, but this is not near-
term for future for us. This is probably a 5-year to 10-year plan. So that may be feasible at that time.
You asked about the existing building. I'm not aware of any need to upgrade the building. We are
implementing additional landscaping around the area to screen the building from view from the
adjacent properties and trying to enhance the property as much as we can. As far as steel erection
versus fabrication, to be very clear, we're not a fabricator. We're not a fabrication company. We are
steel erectors. The majority of our work is on-site. This will really be a mobilization location for our
crews to come, our home base. There will be pickup trucks coming in and out with trailers.
Everything will be behind that 8-foot fence, which is what's required and completely fenced in. All
the dunnage and unloading and things that you speak of will definitely be activities that we incur
every day on a daily basis, which will all be held inside that fenced area as planned. It's part of
doing business there. I believe I addressed all of the questions. Thank you.
Item IV:
Motion by Propp to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Loewenstein.
Mr. Perry asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
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Mr. Nichols stated this site will come before Plan Commission again under additional SIPs, so
there will be more opportunities to look at plans and ask questions.
Ms. Propp stated I'm absolutely delighted to see this site cleaned up.
Mr. Perry stated I am generally not for storage units of any kind on a major public road, and being
that this is on the highway, this would generally fit within my definition. However, living close by
this place and driving down Snell Road the other day I almost broke my neck looking in there
because of the significant change. I couldn't think of a better thing to go in there at this particular
point, so I will be in full support of this.
Motion carried 8-0.
Item V:
Motion by Propp to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Loewenstein.
Mr. Perry asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
Mr. Nichols stated I know there was a concern that the existing fence is 6’, not 8’. If we learn that's
true, is the requirement to make it 8’, or is it to match what's existing.
Mr. Slusarek stated the requirement is 8’.
Mr. Nichols so the way that the findings are written is to allow 8-foot solid fencing. I just want to
confirm that in no circumstance would 6 feet be appropriate.
Mr. Slusarek stated that is correct. It would need a BSM to allow a lower fence height to screen it.
They're proposing 8’ and that meets code.
Motion carried 8-0.
VI. GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT
AT 0 BOWEN STREET, COMMONLY KNOWN AS VACANT PROPERTY
LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF EAST MURDOCK AVENUE
AND BOWEN STREET (PARCEL 1504830300)
Site Inspections Report: Mr. Bowen, Ms. Propp, Mr. Nichols, Ms. Davey, Mr. Kiefer, and Mr. Perry
reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
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The applicant requests approval of a General Development Plan (GDP) for a multi-family
development.
Ms. Dziengeleski presented the items and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the
land use and zoning classifications in this area. The subject site consists of a 2.26-acre vacant lot on
the southwest corner of East Murdock Avenue and Bowen Street. The site is zoned Urban Mixed
Use with a Planned Development Overlay (UMU-PD). A Plan Commission (PC) workshop was
held on April 16th of this year, and the PC was supportive of this proposal.
This item came to PC on September 17th, 2024, and PC voted to lay over this item because the
applicant and owner were not present to answer their questions and concerns. Staff contacted the
applicant and owner regarding those questions and concerns, and an updated landscaping plan
was submitted. As a reminder, the applicant is proposing a multifamily development, which will
include two 8-unit apartment buildings and one 16-unit apartment building with detached
garages.
The proposed site will utilize an existing driveway access on East Murdock Avenue and Bowen
Street that is currently utilized by the Piggly Wiggly Grocery Store. The cross-access agreement
will need to be recorded with the Winnebago County Register of Deeds to allow that shared access.
The applicant is also requesting a Base Standard Modification (BSM) to allow for a reduced rear
setback of 18.7’, where code allows a minimum of 25’. Staff is supportive of this BSM request, as
the rear property line is adjacent to an existing parking lot and access drive.
Code requires the recreation area for multifamily developments at a minimum of 200 sq. ft. plus 25
sq. ft. per bedroom for a total of 1,800 square feet. The new proposed recreation area will be
located just south of the parking lot and will be 1,800 sq. ft. in size, which meets the necessary
requirement.
Staff recommends approval of the GDP with the findings and conditions listed in the staff report.
Mr. Perry opened up technical questions to staff.
Mr. Perry opened public comment and asked if the applicant wanted to make any statements.
Chet Wesenberg, of 531 North Main Street, made himself available for questions.
Mr. Perry asked if any members of the public wished to speak.
Mr. Perry closed public comment.
There was no closing statement from the applicant.
Motion by Kiefer to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Bowen.
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Mr. Perry asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
Mr. Bowen made reference to the petitioner's narrative and had questions regarding proposed
zoning ordinance exceptions.
Mr. Slusarek stated the final landscaping plan would be part of the SIP.
Ms. Propp stated I need to ask the applicant about the driveways. As you probably heard, I raised
questions about the driveways because they are inadequate. I can't support a final plan that doesn't
rehab the driveways. It works for the grocery store but it needs to be replaced. You know that
there are big potholes that form every spring. A Public Works person, a wise person, once told me
that's because the base is inadequate. They patch it, but it never works. That, of course, would
require discussion with the grocery store. And whether they would be responsive to this, it's not
their problem. It's really kind of your problem.
Mr. Wesenberg stated so far I believe they are responsive. After I got that comment, I did drive
through there. I did a quick visual inspection, and I personally did not see a problem. But with that
said, if there is any damage, we'd certainly be responsible for fixing it. And I guess I don't believe
the access is inadequate. I believe it's more than adequate.
Ms. Propp stated I know because I live in the area. I go to the grocery store three times a day or
something. Right now it looks fine, but in the spring those black patched areas will disintegrate
once again. They'll become huge potholes. Ms. Davey is going to agree with me that it's not
adequate to support your vehicle traffic. In and out, in and out. Both driveways have big black
patches and that is where the problems are. It won't work as is, because it will be inadequate. I feel
so strongly about it. Otherwise, I love the plan and what you want to put there. I think the
driveways are a big issue.
Ms. Davey stated I agree with Ms. Propp and she's absolutely right. All of us who live on that side
of town know that you can fall in those potholes and never get your car back come springtime.
That's been a problem for a long time. But I love the project and I'm very happy to see that you
moved the playground. I think that's a little bit safer place for it than where it had previously been
designated between a really busy corner and a vape shop. I have concerns about the traffic in and
out. When you're building this, aren't you going to have to be bringing in really heavy trucks to get
stuff there.
Mr. Wesenberg stated yes regarding the heavy trucks. It's not that big of a project, so it's not all
that intensive. But I'll take your guys' word for it. I'll look into it again. Like I said, I did a quick
drive-around and inspection, and it didn't look bad to me. But that was me just going there to look
at it to see what the concern was.
Ms. Davey asked if a traffic study had been considered
Mr. Wesenberg stated absolutely not.
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Ms. Davey wondered why.
Mr. Wesenberg stated the 32 apartments is not going to bring a lot of traffic in. This corner is
designed to hold something much more intensive than a 32-unit apartment building.
Ms. Davey wondered if you were to do a traffic study, it would only affect the public streets. It
wouldn't affect the parking lot streets, correct.
Mr. Wesenberg stated I guess it would be whatever is required for a traffic study.
Ms. Davey stated I think that's unfortunate because I think there's going to be problems with
increased traffic.
Mr. Nichols had questions for City staff. As we think about code enforcement, I'm assuming that
potholes for an area like this would be problematic, and you all would get complaints.
Mr. Slusarek stated there is a maintenance section in our zoning ordinance that covers that.
Mr. Nichols wondered in the event that there were large potholes, would somebody from
Inspections go out there and look at it, and then would Mr. Wesenberg get a letter.
Mr. Slusarek stated correct, if there's a violation there. If there is a violation he'd have to correct it.
Mr. Nichols stated I'm comfortable moving forward here, understanding that we have mechanisms
in place that would require the correction in the event that they exist, after the equipment comes
in, after the building is built. My guess is that you're going to have to do some remediation after
the building is built, to Ms. Davy’s point, that the equipment is going to damage something.
Mr. Loewenstein stated the issue is that it's not his property. I think where we're kind of hung up is
that someone else has to promise to fix the access roads, and not him, unless they have some sort
of agreement in place. The potholes are not Mr. Wesenberg’s problem if they are on the Piggly
Wiggly property. That's sort of a code enforcement problem. They could say, we're not dealing
with it, and Mr. Wesenberg doesn't legally have to deal with it.
Mr. Perry stated there's a cross-access agreement that has to be filed.
Mr. Slusarek stated generally the city is going to send a letter to whichever property the driveway
is on. It is between the property owners, who are part of that cross-access agreement, to get it
corrected.
Mr. Loewenstein wondered if that agreement could have a component about who's responsible for
maintenance on that road.
Mr. Slusarek stated generally that would be included in that agreement.
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Mr. Wesenberg stated we’re one-third owner of the Piggly Wiggly property.
Ms. Propp stated one-third owner isn't maybe enough to convince Piggly Wiggly to adequately
repair their own driveway. Those are the Piggly Wiggly driveways. In this housing development
you are requesting cross-access. I like the location of the driveways, and I think the size of the
driveways is fine, but I'm sorry it isn't going to work. You don't have to take my word for it until
the spring when you see what happens.
Mr. Wesenberg stated I guess I was unaware. I drove by and looked at it.
Ms. Propp stated driving by now is way different than driving by in spring. I can vote for this now
because it's a GDP, but I'm going to need reassurance when you come back here.
Mr. Wesenberg stated he understood.
Mr. Bowen wondered if there is an existing cross-access agreement or is it to be negotiated.
Mr. Wesenberg stated the agreement is to be negotiated.
Mr. Bowen wondered if there were any existing driveways on the subject site.
Mr. Wesenberg stated right now it's all lawn and no driveways. When our office looked at the
traffic, it made the most sense to use these (Piggly Wiggly) driveways rather than create new
access points.
Motion carried 8-0.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 5:02 pm. (Kiefer/Propp)
One workshop followed the meeting.
Respectfully Submitted,
Kelly Nieforth
Community Development Director
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