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Plan Commission Minutes 1 September 7, 2021
PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES
September 7, 2021
PRESENT: Mamadou Coulibaly, Margy Davey, Michael Ford, Derek Groth, John Kiefer, Phil
Marshall, Justin Mitchell, Thomas Perry, Kathleen Propp,
EXCUSED: John Hinz
STAFF: Mark Lyons, Planning Services Manager; Kelly Nieforth, Community Development
Director; Justin Gierach, Engineering Division Manager / City Engineer; Steven
Tomasik; Transit Operations Manager, Jim Collins, Director of Transportation, Brian
Slusarek, Planner; Jeff Nau, Associate Planner; Steven Wiley, Associate Planner;
Brandon Nielsen, Assistant Planner;
Council Member Ford called the meeting to order at 4:00 pm. Roll call was taken and a quorum
declared present. (Davey/Mitchell)
I. ARCHITECTURAL BUILDING PLAN REVIEW FOR A PROPOSED TRANSIT CENTER
BUILDING AT 110 PEARL AVENUE
Site Inspections Report: No commissioners reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
The applicant is requesting an architectural building plan review for a new transit center building
and other improvements located at the GO Transit Downtown Transit Center at 110 Pearl Avenue.
Mr. Nielsen presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the land use
and zoning classifications in this area. In 1989 the City of Oshkosh constructed the current
Downtown Transit Center which is the subject site and is located at 110 Pearl Avenue, just south of
High Avenue and on the corner of Market Street and Pearl Avenue. This parcel consists of the
transit center and a public parking lot. The current building at this location does not provide
public restrooms, fare kiosks, or a staff breakroom. The surrounding area consists of mostly
commercial businesses with parking lots and some residential apartment buildings as well. The
location of the proposed transit building is just to the west of an existing transit building and just
to the north of the bus transfer station. The Plan Commission and architect had a workshop at the
August 3rd, 2021 Plan Commission meeting to discuss the project and see if there were any major
concerns.
Plan Commission was supportive of the project so the applicant is requesting a formal
architectural review of the proposed building.
Staff recommends approval of the architectural design of the transit building with the findings and
conditions as listed in the staff report.
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Mr. Ford opened up technical questions to staff.
Ms. Davey asked if they planning department shares the page in the ordinance that says there are
preferred trees to use and if the city forester was involved in the landscaping.
Mr. Lyons responded that during final site plan review they will have to call out what kind of
maple, as an example Autumn Blaze maples are listed as overplanted and not recommended.
When we get to the final step they will have to call out what species are being planted.
Mr. Ford asked for any public comments and asked if the applicant wanted to make any
statements.
John Wallenkamp, Kueny Architects, made himself available for questions. The goal is to enhance
the building with the existing structure. The roof is pretty heavy and they will address the
landscaping species.
Mr. Collins said that they are excited to develop this and the drivers are excited about having some
break room space. It’s also an opportunity for the passengers and the public because it is going to
update the area and make it look nicer and eliminate some tripping hazards and improve some
safety concerns with some upgraded lighting and improved pavement and some repair to the
concrete. Hopefully at some time we can upgrade it and offer some public waiting and public
restrooms. It’s needed and overdue.
There were no other public comments on this item.
There were no public comments on this item.
Mr. Ford closed public comments and asked if the applicant wanted to make any closing
statements.
There were no closing statements from the applicant.
Motion by Davey to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Coulibaly.
Mr. Ford asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
Mr. Mitchell asked what the rationale was for the limited initial phase and not including public
restroom and the other features. It would provide a valuable service to users.
Mr. Collins replied that the limited scope is due to funding. They have a limited amount of ARPA
funds and this is what they were able to do. On the current site, they are limited currently to our
existing footprint, we don’t own any of the land adjacent to there so we are limited as to what we
can do. That space doesn’t allow us to do more than what we proposed to do.
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Mr. Mitchell asked if there is a staff restroom.
Mr. Collins replied that there will be a two single stalled staff restrooms. That is what they have
there currently as well.
Mr. Mitchell said that at a minimum he would like to note that it’s disappointing that it’s not being
included with the phase and it was included with the initial discussion we had that there would be
public restroom features. What was the user engagement for the development of this plan. Were
there sessions hosted for users or information given to provide feedback.
Mr. Collins said there was a site selection study over the last two years. That was prior to receiving
any ARPA funds. There was a company who performed this service and at that time we were
looking at where would be the best location. They looked at a number of different locations
throughout the city of Oshkosh and not just downtown. They had lots of stakeholder and public
meetings and ultimately the Transit Advisory Board and Council evaluated the recommendations
which were to stay on the current site due to cost considerations and the fact that any money used
for transit has to be in use for 40 years when it comes to public buildings. COVID hit, and they
were notified of ARPA funds and it was used for COVID mitigation strategies. They looked at
what they needed immediately with the remaining funds. That is what led to this plan. There are
always opportunities for public comment during Plan Commission and Transit Advisory Board
meetings. They did the best they could with the funds they had. They consulted heavily with
public safety and they do not recommend public restrooms. It’s a real safety concern for the
general public and users unless you can have an open building with staff whenever the restrooms
are open so they can help with any incidents and they do not have the room for it. They will
evaluate it at a time when there are funds available.
Mr. Mitchell asked if in phase 1 there was considerable planning involved in location, maybe not
so much in design and amenities due to timing but you would come back at a later time with local
invested funds and at that time is there a plan or a general idea in engaging users in feedback.
Mr. Collins replied that we do have a few different options for expanding the transit center
downtown. The architect has helped put together a few ideas, but nothing specific at this point. As
far as funding goes, locally funded is up to the Council. With transit projects, we will seek out and
apply for grants. Generally 80% of transit projects are funded federally and if we can seek a grant
to do that. We still have a potential for ARPA funds in the future. There will be opportunity for
public involvement if and when we get to that point.
Mr. Mitchell asked if Appleton, Fond du Lac, Green Bay, Janesville have public restrooms or public
amenities.
Mr. Collins said that Fond du Lac has less than we do. Sheboygan built a new transit facility about
5 or 6 years ago and do not have public facilities. Appleton does, and they are working on a
remodel.
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Motion carried 9-0.
II. PUBLIC HEARING: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A
COMMUNICATION TOWER AT 0 BRADLEY ST REET
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
Site Inspections Report: Mr. Groth and Mr. Kiefer reported vising the site.
The applicant is requesting a Conditional Use Permit for installation of a communication tower
(cellular telecommunications tower).
Mr. Slusarek presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the land
use and zoning classifications in this area. Communication Tower land uses are permitted only
through a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) in the Heavy Industrial District (HI) as regulated in
Section 30-62 (C) of the Zoning Ordinance. Criteria used for Conditional Use Permits are located in
Section 30-382 of the Zoning Ordinance. The subject site consists of a 9.86 acre parcel located on the
east side of Bradley St., south of W 28th Ave. The site is currently being used for agriculture and
has a Heavy Industrial (HI) zoning designation, while the 2040 Comprehensive Land Use Plan
recommends Industrial use for the site. The site is surrounded predominantly by industrial uses
along with an active railroad to the east. The applicant is proposing to install a cellular
telecommunications tower which will consist of a 135’ tall monopole (136’ including lightning rod)
with several antennas. Communication towers require a Conditional Use Permit in the Heavy
Industrial (HI) district. The proposed cell tower will be accessed from Bradley Street with a 12’
wide access drive. The tower and associated equipment will be enclosed within a 50’ X 50’ fenced
in area.
The proposed cell tower is meeting all applicable setback, impervious surface and height
requirements of the zoning ordinance. The proposed tower height has been approved by the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). Communication towers must be enclosed by solid
fencing at least 6' in height or a buffer yard with a minimum opacity of 0.4 and screened so that it
is not accessible to the general public. Fence design, materials and colors shall reflect the character
of the surrounding area. The plans include 6’ tall solid wood fencing (with access gate)
surrounding the tower and related equipment. Staff is recommending a condition that final
fencing plans be approved by the Department of Community Development.
The Department of Public Works has noted that Bradley St. is proposed for street work in 2022 or
2023 and calculations for the culvert sizing will be required. The driveway apron shall be per the
City of Oshkosh Standard Detail.
Staff recommends approval of the proposed Conditional Use Permit for a communication tower at
0 Bradley St with the findings and conditions as listed in the staff report.
Ms. Propp opened up technical questions to staff.
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Mr. Mitchell asked if there is a broader city or regional plan or monitoring in place that looks at a
broader picture beyond one lot.
Mr. Lyons replied that cell towers are highly regulated through the federal and state governments
in terms of location and the local municipalities’ ability to get involved in the placement of them.
They do have to provide documentation to us that they have evaluated colocation options in the
area before siting a new tower and they did provide the documentation. The federal and state
regulations in these instances trump everything about what they are required to supply to us.
Mr. Mitchell asked if there were a comprehensive communication system that we can access in
relation to our communication system.
Mr. Lyons replied that because of how it’s regulated it’s not something the local government is
allowed to get involved with. We have a map showing where they are and that’s about it.
Mr. Coulibaly asked if there is a buffer zone before the cell tower and the neighbors and if they
have been notified.
Mr. Lyons said they have been notified like they would with any other conditional use permit
where we do send notices to neighboring properties.
Ms. Propp asked for any public comments and asked if the applicant wanted to make any
statements.
Scott Littell; Harmoni Towers, said that they have petitioned the Plan Commission for the
conditional use permit for 136 foot tall tower on Bradley St. They feel this is an ideal location, it is
zoned heavy industrial and the neighboring properties are zoned heavy industrial for the most
part. It is screened by mature trees and is close to residential areas which is a driver for cell phone
carriers to be on the tower. They have also complied with the colocation maxim.
Ms. Davey stated that this is currently being used as rented agriculture property and asked if they
will continue to be allowed to farm around the rest of the plot.
Mr. Littell confirmed they will be.
Andrew Flowers; ATT Mobility, confirmed that Harmoni is their vendor that is in the process of
seeking the CUP from Oshkosh. Last year Oshkosh gave ATT the ability to build another new
tower on EAA’s property which turned out to be a great asset to their event. One of the items that
we have here at ATT is long term strategic plan which is to keep increasing the capacity and
coverage of EAA event and surrounding communities throughout the year and this facility will
allow us to do that. It sits to the east of the airport and will be used heavily during the EAA events
and will be used throughout the rest of the year to the community. It will have the newest
technology on it and have First Net equipment for first responders. We’re excited to have this site
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built. If we end up getting the approvals, it will be in the 2022 plan to build and we will try to
complete it before EAA event in July of 2022.
Kevin Pollard; SBA Communications, the owner of the existing tower located on 28th Ave. It’s
about 500 feet from the tower that is being proposed. The existing tower has been at that site since
2006. ATT as a mobile service provider already has its equipment on that tower. The existing tower
does have the capacity to facilitate upgrades to ATT’s equipment. We do object to the application
for this permit for a number of reasons. One being that the state statute and the city’s ordinance is
designed to promote colocation on existing towers, and I don’t agree with the sentiment that the
city has no ability to regulate this. There’s a state statute that preempts certain factors that should
not be considered but it doesn’t completely strip the city of the ability to regulate by conditional
use permit whether or not the tower is appropriate as a conditional use and what the state statute
and the ordinance requires is that the applicant demonstrates with evidence that there is an
economic burden and a reason that it can’t collocate on the existing tower. I think there was a
reference made to an affidavit or a statement, I haven’t seen that but I can tell you that ATT has not
sought any reduction in rent or modifications to the existing lease on this tower. They completed
an upgrade amendment and added additional equipment in 2019. The statute also requires that the
applicant requesting a new tower evaluate the feasibility of colocation on an existing tower. We
don’t think they’ve done that and they haven’t contacted SBA saying “hey we have issues with the
existing tower”. I was intending to submit a radio frequency coverage comparison which we will
provide after the hearing showing that the coverage is essentially the same on either tower. One of
the factors of the conditional use permit in the city ordinance is whether the potential public
benefit outweighs the potential adverse impacts. Since there already is a tower there, there
essentially is no public benefit to adding a second tower. The statute and ordinance is designed to
prevent this type of clustering so you don’t end up with a bunch of cell towers stacked right next
to each other. There are obviously adverse visual effects, adverse effects on property value, and
potential for interference so I would submit that the application does not comply with the
conditional use factor that there be a public benefit outweighing a potential public harm and so for
those two reasons we don’t believe that the application complies with the statutes and we object to
the application on that ground.
Paul Jonas; Michael Best & Friedrich LLP, said he is the attorney representing Harmoni Towers.
Most if not all of the points that were raised by Mr. Pollard were addressed in both the sworn
statement that was provided as required by statute by Mr. Tim Brennan of ATT and also in the
support letter that was provided by Andrew Flowers who spoke earlier. First of all, it is not true
that ATT has not reached out to SBA to try and negotiate more reasonable terms then those that
are currently in place on the existing nearby tower. We included with the submission what we
refer to as a toss letter, but it is a site specific letter that requests that SBA engages in some sort of
reasonable negotiation to come to something closer to economic terms and functional terms that
even begin to approach those that are offered by Harmoni. The reality is that the negotiation
between SBA and ATT take place on a regional and national basis. Those discussions have been
and continue to be ongoing. ATT has a decision to make. They can either remain on the SBA tower
at terms that are millions of dollars more over the term of the lease or relocate to the proposed
Harmoni tower which will save ATT said millions of dollars and importantly as noted in Andrew’s
letter, will translate to lower rates charged to the citizens of Oshkosh and the surrounding area.
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The idea that there is no public benefit to this tower would refute that statement. One of the many
reasons that this proposed tower makes sense for both ATT, Harmoni and the city of Oshkosh is
both the lease structure and the physical structure allow for the easy replacement upgrade of
equipment as new technology becomes available. The whole idea is that this new tower is flexible
so that when new technologies become available they can be applied to the tower quickly and
easily and economically. The SBA tower offers none of those benefits and despite the efforts on
ATT’s part, SBA is here today for one reason, to maintain their monopoly. This is an argument and
discussion we’ve had in many municipalities throughout the state and discussion is always the
same. With regard to 66.0404 which is the state statute that governs cell towers sighting, the
requirement is that if the applicant is going to propose the new tower they have to explain whether
or not they considered colocation, and if they didn’t why they didn’t, is it either economically
burdensome, technologically not feasible or will not result in the same coverage and in fact we
meet all three of those standards. I would suggest in the interest of ATT and Harmoni are of course
to expand their business and to be in business, but as importantly they are to increase the coverage
and service to the citizens of Oshkosh and I would further submit that none of those goals would
be accomplished if SBA continued to remain the monopoly in this market.
Mr. Coulibaly asked if there is any impediment to SBA’s business by the fact that ATT is acquiring
a new tower besides losing ATT’s business as a renter.
Mr. Pollard replied that no there is no other impediment. They are a competitor, but on the other
hand, when SBA built these towers, they built them subject to local zoning laws and new towers
are coming in and saying you can’t apply local zoning laws and you have to let us build a new
tower. As a local government you can regulate where new towers are going.
Mr. Jonas said another business impact for SBA is the fact that there might not be any other carriers
on the current tower but if ATT were to leave and the tower become vacant, by the city of Oshkosh
ordinance, the tower would have to come down after a year. This would be another motivation to
try to make ATT stay on the tower despite it not being a good arrangement.
There were no other public comments on this item.
There were no public comments on this item.
Ms. Propp closed public comments and asked if the applicant wanted to make any closing
statements.
Mr. Littell stated that they exceed all the requirements set forth in the ordinance for conditional use
permit for this tower.
Motion by Mitchell to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Davey.
Ms. Propp asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
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Mr. Mitchell said that each time a tower comes up there seems to be a legal trial of some sorts as to
the merit of it. At the same time staff says there’s nothing we can do. Is there a step that can be
added to this process that requests these statements ahead of time and can be added into the
packet. Something that eliminates the fact that we are interpreting a law that we don’t have the
ability to interpret.
Mr. Lyons said they have had discussions with the attorneys office and what they have said is the
documentation that we need has been submitted which is why we are recommending approval of
the tower. Not sure what additional information would be required. No matter the situation you
are going to have competing tower companies that are likely to come before you to make an
argument of their opinion of the case. Our interpretation as the planning office and review of the
documentation is that they meet the code requirements which is why we have recommend
approval.
Ms. Propp said this might be something that goes to courts if the city approves this application.
There is still a dispute and if that is the ultimate solution.
Mr. Lyons said that if either entity would choose to challenge it they are within their rights. As a
municipality we have done our due diligence and our appropriate review.
Mr. Mitchell asked if there is ever a scenario where proximity to existing towers makes any
difference to the city.
Mr. Lyons said that if the documentation can be provided that those three criteria that we’ve
provided and discussed are relevant, the staff under our reading of the ordinance would still
recommend approval to you. If they failed to do that, then we are well within our rights as a
municipality to recommend a denial. If they have done their statutory requirements we would
recommend approval of the tower. There is no basis for recommending denial at that point.
Motion carried 9-0.
III. SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AMENDMENT FOR DRIVE THRU LANE
ADDITION AT 1580 S KOELLER STREET
Site Inspections Report: No commissioners reported visiting the site.
Staff report accepted as part of the record.
The petitioner requests an amendment to the Specific Implementation Plan approval for a drive
thru lane addition at 1580 S Koeller Street.
Mr. Slusarek presented the item and reviewed the site and surrounding area as well as the land
use and zoning classifications in this area. The subject site is zoned Suburban Mixed Use District
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with a Planned Development Overlay (SMU-PD) and consists of a 0.84 acre parcel, located on the
east side of Koeller St. The subject site is used as a restaurant with drive thru (Culver’s) and the
surrounding area consists of commercial uses. On August 23, 1994, the Common Council
approved a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) & Planned Development (PD) for creation of 3 new lots,
which includes the existing Culver’s restaurant site.
Staff recommends approval of the Specific Implementation Plan amendment as proposed with the
findings and conditions as listed in the staff report.
Ms. Propp opened up technical questions to staff.
Mr. Ford stated that the staff report noted that even with the loss of 11 spaces they still meet code
requirements for parking. Just curious if there’s still room for employees to park or if they are
being pushed to neighboring lot.
Ms. Propp asked for any public comments and asked if the applicant wanted to make any
statements.
Chris McGuire; Culver’s, said that Culver’s did approved double drive-thrus for all existing
locations at the beginning of 2021. This has worked out well and we found that they double drive-
thru helps the guest experience for a quicker and smoother flow. There has been an increase of
public sales. With the employee parking, we do believe we have adequate parking elsewhere. We
understand the stipulations that include 20 points of landscaping around the new island, and if
approved we’re hopeful to do this project yet this year.
There were no other public comments on this item.
There were no public comments on this item.
Ms. Propp closed public comments and asked if the applicant wanted to make any closing
statements.
There were no closing statements from the applicant.
Motion by Coulibaly to adopt the findings and recommendation as stated in the staff report.
Seconded by Kiefer.
Ms. Propp asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
There was no discussion on the motion.
Motion carried 9-0.
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There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at approximately 5:06 pm. (Davey/Perry)
Respectfully Submitted,
Mark Lyons
Planning Services Manager